2021 Free Agency Mega Thread

Do the Kings make a surprise Free Agency splash?

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Double-K said:
It is a question that I still couldn't find an answer for, where a lot of fans would rather take a gamble on unproven rookies (and by doing so, gambling on our front office's ability to pick them) over a seasoned NBA player who not only can contribute right away but also have proven to be doing so the season prior.

I understand the way a good rookie can change the franchise, I've witnessed Haliburton last season. But if you look at the track record, you'll know that the odds are low to find that generational talent in the NBA draft.
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depends on where you pick. In the top 3 the odds are not bad but the fall off quickly as you go down the draft.
 
Warhawk said:
I think it is a couple of things....
  • Draft picks have generally lower costs than established quality vets on the open market and are under team control for a set time.
  • It is easier to stock up on numerous picks if your fan base can withstand losing lots of games for a few years. This means you have more shots at getting picks "right".
  • There are no guarantees that any established player you trade for or pick up in free agency will effectively mesh with the rest of the team.
  • Some just like the spectacle or process of the draft and the gambling aspect of it. It's almost like a lottery ticket with a few of the first numbers scratched off, and you are hoping the rest of the numbers match the ones you need to "win".
I'm in the camp that I'd typically rather have a young proven vet than lottery picks, but those players are often the hardest to get, aren't they?
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its a question of expected value. Young draft picks have significantly more variation but their expected value can still be higher at the time of the draft.
 
Double-K said:
It is a question that I still couldn't find an answer for, where a lot of fans would rather take a gamble on unproven rookies (and by doing so, gambling on our front office's ability to pick them) over a seasoned NBA player who not only can contribute right away but also have proven to be doing so the season prior.

I understand the way a good rookie can change the franchise, I've witnessed Haliburton last season. But if you look at the track record, you'll know that the odds are low to find that generational talent in the NBA draft.
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The +EV is when you DO hit (I.E Hali), you're givin yourself a real window to compete because you aren't playing that incredibly productive player what he's actually worth. Like if Hali hit the open market, what would he have gotten in UFA? $20mil/season? More?

It's like when a team hits on a rookie or 2nd year QB... That's their window to compete for a title. Before they have to pay him.
 
sactowndog said:
its a question of expected value. Young draft picks have significantly more variation but their expected value can still be higher at the time of the draft.
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The_Jamal said:
The +EV is when you DO hit (I.E Hali), you're givin yourself a real window to compete because you aren't playing that incredibly productive player what he's actually worth. Like if Hali hit the open market, what would he have gotten in UFA? $20mil/season? More?

It's like when a team hits on a rookie or 2nd year QB... That's their window to compete for a title. Before they have to pay him.
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"Variable" is indeed one way of saying it. :) The problem is that many high draft picks (with associated higher salary for 4 years) often wash out or not live up to expectations (and even more that are late first round or second round picks). Like I said, it's more of a gamble than finding a vet with a track record.

I'm not bashing the draft, etc., I'm just pointing out that for many teams the promise of the draft is frequently much more enjoyable than the ultimate reality after you've had the pick for 4 years (or whatever).
 
Has there been even one offer sheet out there for restricted free agents? (from a team other than the original and without a trade involved)
 
iowamcnabb said:
Has there been even one offer sheet out there for restricted free agents? (from a team other than the original and without a trade involved)
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Yeah I'm not sure why we haven't heard very much on Diallo/Mark/Hart/Vanderbilt. Maybe because all the cap space is gone and trying to negotiate S&Ts? But all 4 guys that are left in RFA are too good to be left unsigned to this point.
 
Dime Dropper said:
BPA is subjective, dude, it's not decided by mock drafts (which are literally someone's opinion, and often following the lead of other mock drafts).

Saying there was no BPA at 9 doesn't make sense. Was Davion BPA? No idea, but Monte thought he was, and that's the whole point of going BPA. Now we have to wait and see if his talent evaluation is right. If so, he needs to figure out the rest of the roster to accommodate that.
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Everything is, but BPA as a consensus isn't nearly as subjective. Everything in terms of discussion of value in any way is always subject to more of a majority opinion, or should be since it will all relates to other GM's opinions of that player. This draft was really hard to draw too many conclusions since so many teams, mocks, etc. had differing opinions. The top 5 ended up in that top 5 though even if shuffled slightly.
 
I went to reddit and everyone from MIL like "justice"

Ok a-holes, you got a friggin title. We lost a player for nothing after having a deal we all thought was fair.

The compensation should be letting these deals go through and Atlanta giving us a player of our choice = or less than Bogi's value.
 
Starting 5 (you guessed it no change)
Holmes, Bagley, Barnes, Buddy, Fox

Bench
Len, Metu, Hark, Hali, TD, Mitchell

Ty should be in starting five, but do you really want Buddy, Mitchell, and TD as primary ballhandlers for the second unit?

12th man - JJ (is there no one better?)
13th - Inactive Thompson
14-15- G League - Woodard/Ramsey
Two-way - King/Queta

That's it! As currently constructed we waive Jones and are still at 15.

Wright MADE so much sense because he could have served as the primary ballhandler with any combo of Buddy, Mitchell, or TD.

Horrible move Monte!
 
https://twitter.com/x/status/1424119098590457856

So,

Jones get released
-Bagley, if he stays on the team, experiment at the 5 is done. Looks like we consider him a strict 4.
-I think Metu stays on as the 5th big
-Queta most likely gets a 2-way
-It's not ideal, but if you keep the same big ball starting 5 (that was still pretty good together ) with either Buddy or Hali starting at the 2, Barnes-Harkless-Buddy-King is *enough* at the wing to get you by
 
I honestly don't understand how we aren't getting involved with one of the young RFA. All of whom can really help fill a big need and add some upside to the team. Going into next season with the above is just.... bleh. Asking to win like another 5 or 6 games and be 11th worst team in the NBA rather than 9th.
 
The_Jamal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1424119098590457856

So,

Jones get released
-Bagley, if he stays on the team, experiment at the 5 is done. Looks like we consider him a strict 4.
-I think Metu stays on as the 5th big
-Queta most likely gets a 2-way
-It's not ideal, but if you keep the same big ball starting 5 (that was still pretty good together ) with either Buddy or Hali starting at the 2, Barnes-Harkless-Buddy-King is *enough* at the wing to get you by
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Yeah, and JJ seems to have a guaranteed deal as well.
 
Sacbee article says
"Damian Jones, whose $1.98 million salary becomes guaranteed if he is not waived by Tuesday."

Is Thompson better than Jones?
Thompson can rebound, but what about defense, shot-blocking, passing, upside, etc compared to Jones?

Jones is 6'11 with 7'4 wingspan. Thompson is 6'9

Jones is on a better contract for longer.
Thompson is expiring, which is valueable as well.

2019-2020
Jones FG 68% Thompson 51%
Jones FT 69%, Thompson 61 %

Jones and Thompson had basically the same steals and blocks per game, but Jones did so in half the minutes played.
 
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The_Jamal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1424119098590457856

So,

Jones get released
-Bagley, if he stays on the team, experiment at the 5 is done. Looks like we consider him a strict 4.
-I think Metu stays on as the 5th big
-Queta most likely gets a 2-way
-It's not ideal, but if you keep the same big ball starting 5 (that was still pretty good together ) with either Buddy or Hali starting at the 2, Barnes-Harkless-Buddy-King is *enough* at the wing to get you by
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He has Len in front of Thompson? I doubt that. I think Len is in that Whiteside role this year. He might work his way up though. How many bigs are they going to run is the question. 3 these days is a stretch. The Bucks ran Portis/Lopez next to Giannis and the Suns ran mostly Atyon and a bit of Tank in the finals. The Kings right now look like none of the the top contenders or playoff teams in terms of construction. Now we see if going the opposite way of the rest of the league finally pays off.
 
SacTownKid said:
He has Len in front of Thompson? I doubt that. I think Len is in that Whiteside role this year. He might work his way up though. How many bigs are they going to run is the question. 3 these days is a stretch. The Bucks ran Portis/Lopez next to Giannis and the Suns ran mostly Atyon and a bit of Tank in the finals. The Kings right now look like none of the the top contenders or playoff teams in terms of construction. Now we see if going the opposite way of the rest of the league finally pays off.
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I think this mainly is a tell that we're putting a TON of chips into Bagley progressing at the 4. Investing heavily in C-only players that are all pretty good on defense and can cover his rim protection deficiencies. If you're slotting Bagley into 28-32 MPG at the 4, you can fill the rest with Barnes/Metu/Harkless well enough. That also means Barnes gets more at the 3 and you're filling that minutes behind him with Harkless/Davis/Buddy/Mitchell

Maybe we still get involved with a Hart S&T for Buddy, but I don't Bagley is getting traded anymore.
 
The_Jamal said:
I honestly don't understand how we aren't getting involved with one of the young RFA. All of whom can really help fill a big need and add some upside to the team. Going into next season with the above is just.... bleh. Asking to win like another 5 or 6 games and be 11th worst team in the NBA rather than 9th.
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I think the Kings top 8 is good enough myself.

1. Fox
2. Buddy
3. Barnes
4. Haliburton
5. Bagley
6. Mitchell
7. Holmes
8. TD

Then it gets down to who are you paying to not play to the point that your depth just a burden (per usual), or play based on need when better talent sits? (Harkless over any of those names above).
 
joemama said:
Sacbee article says
"Damian Jones, whose $1.98 million salary becomes guaranteed if he is not waived by Tuesday."

Is Thompson better than Jones?
Thompson can rebound, but what about defense, shot-blocking, passing, upside, etc compared to Jones?

Jones is 6'11 with 7'4 wingspan. Thompson is 6'9

Jones is on a better contract for longer.
Thompson is expiring, which is valueable as well.

2019-2020
Jones FG 68% Thompson 51%
Jones FT 69%, Thompson 61 %

Jones and Thompson had basically the same steals and blocks per game, but Jones did so in half the minutes played.
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Thompson is better than Jones for sure. But not for a team that spent 3.5 mil/season on Alex Len, 13 mil on Richaun Holmes and drafted a C only prospect at pick 39. Jones was more than capable of filling that end of bench emergency big role.
 
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