I think the reach argument has merit if you could have traded down for that player and gotten something else out of it. I think pick value should be respected, but yeah, if there's no guarantee you can get them trading down or you're not going to get much of anything in the trade, then there's no point in passing on the player you think is best.
2013 Draft Prospects
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DX claimed they got extensive feedback about prospects value in Chicago and updated mock showed some movement:
1. Adams jumped from #25 to #16. He's lottery bound for sure.
2. Shroeder got a bit closer to lottery and is slotted for Bucks #15. Feels like #14 for Jazz or #15 for Bucks will be his final destination.
3. Jamaal Franklin got moved up a few spots to #19 that belongs to Cavs. With their love for advanced stats, it might be a move to specific place, not just moving up in value.
4. Top7 stayed the same. Interesting they believe in Bennett going top-3, which I don't think is likely.
1. Adams jumped from #25 to #16. He's lottery bound for sure.
2. Shroeder got a bit closer to lottery and is slotted for Bucks #15. Feels like #14 for Jazz or #15 for Bucks will be his final destination.
3. Jamaal Franklin got moved up a few spots to #19 that belongs to Cavs. With their love for advanced stats, it might be a move to specific place, not just moving up in value.
4. Top7 stayed the same. Interesting they believe in Bennett going top-3, which I don't think is likely.
Yeah, I'm surprised about Bennett as well. I think his individual workouts will determine where he's drafted. Personally I think he'll be asked to switch to the SF position, which is think is very possible for him. He's a very good athlete, and he already has a good jumpshot. If Corlis can switch to SF, then certainly Bennett can. I agree on Adams being lottery bound. It wouldn't surprise me to see him go all the way to the 10 spot.
Hey, if he can play PF successfully in the NBA, then more power to him. But at 6'7" he's definitely undersized for the position. However, he wouldn't be the first 6'7" PF to play in the NBA and be successful. However, I don't agree that he becomes average if he moves to the SF position. He's an above average athlete with a jumpshot that has range out to the 3pt line. He's good at putting the ball on the floor and taking it to the basket. To be honest, he has a lot of SF skills already in his bag. He's an explosive leaper. I think in time he could be one of the best SF's in the NBA. I honestly don't know if he could ever be one of the best PF's in the NBA.
I'm kind of getting scared of Noel now. He's 6'11 and lighter than Tyreke. I thought he'd clock in at least at 220. But there's no question: Any NBA player would push him around like a baby in the bost. He might get blocked shots-not arguing that-but Spencer Hawes is a top 15 shotblocker. Try and tell me with a straight face that Spencer Hawes is a good defender.
At this point, our number one draft target should be Otto Porter.
At this point, our number one draft target should be Otto Porter.
Has anybody seen Gobert play? Has a 7'9" reach. They said that was the greatest reach in the 20 years they've been doing the measurement. Looks like he can walk and chew gum at the same time. Pretty good intermediate shooter. And from what I've read on the net has made some major impact defensively. If Kings traded down, could be interesting.
I'm starting to like Gobert now that we've discovered that Noel is lighter than most guards. He's got tolerable weight (238 pounds), monster wingspan, nice athleticism, and an offensive game with a lot of potential. He can reach the hoop by standing on his tip toes! If we could trade down with Utah, and get their 14th and 21st selections. We can grab Gobert at 14, and Bullock at 21. In the second round, we can nab Nate Wolters. That would be an A+ draft to me.
Draft:
1st round: 14th overall- Rudy Gobert
1st round, 21st overall- Reggie Bullock
2nd round, 38th overall-Nate Wolters
Draft:
1st round: 14th overall- Rudy Gobert
1st round, 21st overall- Reggie Bullock
2nd round, 38th overall-Nate Wolters
Well to begin with, I don't want to draft him. However, he's as good an athlete as Leonard or James Johnson, and both those guys guard SF's. I think you underestimating his athleticism. That, along with his skill set is what sets him apart from other players. I don't think there are many SF's in the league that could guard him. But hey, hopefully we don't draft him and we won't have to worry about it.
The last player that was 7'2" and had a 7'9" reach was someone named Wilt. I haven't seen him play, but I've read plenty about him and watched a ton of available film of him. Thats all I can base my opinion on at this time. To me he appears to have tremendous potential as a defensive specialist. Offensively he appears very raw, and its obvious when you look at him that he's in serious need of muscle. But he's very young, and he could be a gamble that pays dividends down the road. Gilles and DimeDropper may have actually seen him play. I did watch more european BB this year than ever before, but it was hardly enough to pass judgement. I still have some game recorded that I haven't watched.
Can't comment much on Gobert here that no one doesn't already know! Saw him a little bit but not much, and not enough to form a solid opinion either way. I'd be OK with him because he brings the skillset we need, and you can't teach size. But he's seriously weak right now, and that's going to seriously hamper his ability to get on the court until he address it. That's my worry with him. But if you believe he can overcome that and reach his potential, then it'd be silly to pass on him depending on who else is available.
No, he is very, very weak. Really. He can compensate somewhat due to his length and size, but he already gets pushed around in France, and the boys only get bigger in the NBA. He can get there, but he's too weak now. But that's to be expected at his age. His center of gravity is very high, though, even for someone his size, so it'll be interesting to see if he can make up for that. I know Noel is a twig, but I'm almost certain he's stronger than Gobert already despite being lighter. And I think Noel has a better frame for adding weight, as well as being a better athlete and being more skilled. Weight isn't always equivalent to strength, though it's obvious both need to get bigger and stronger.
If we somehow landed Oladipo I'd have to hide my excitement, but it would be there. Nervous excitement.
In some messed up alternate universe I don't want to be a part of, The Kings essentially chose IT over Evans and draft Oladipo. The worst part is, I think far to many Kings fans will be ok with it. IT has a strong fan base. It's isn't as strong here, but it is there.
IT at the point and Oladipo at the two DOES make sense if you think IT is as good as IT thinks he is. People will fall for that and be ok with us losing Evans because of how likable Oladipo is.
I like Oladipo a lot, and so should everyone. I just don't know if he'd ever be able to play with Evans, and that is obviously a big problem. I don't want to see the team move in this direction, but if Oladipo's name is called on draft night, Evans could be on the way out.
In some messed up alternate universe I don't want to be a part of, The Kings essentially chose IT over Evans and draft Oladipo. The worst part is, I think far to many Kings fans will be ok with it. IT has a strong fan base. It's isn't as strong here, but it is there.
IT at the point and Oladipo at the two DOES make sense if you think IT is as good as IT thinks he is. People will fall for that and be ok with us losing Evans because of how likable Oladipo is.
I like Oladipo a lot, and so should everyone. I just don't know if he'd ever be able to play with Evans, and that is obviously a big problem. I don't want to see the team move in this direction, but if Oladipo's name is called on draft night, Evans could be on the way out.
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