We've made an offer to Monta?

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After Bynum decides and the possible Teague/Jennings situations get worked out I'm sure Monta is going to just have to take the best he can get.

Free agents are running out of big money slots. Monta and/or AK47 may have to settle for modest deals in the 7-9 range
I really wonder about Pekovic, though. he's an RFA, but still, I would have thought he'd be gathering a lot more interest. clearly the best player out there at the moment, imo.
 

funkykingston

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I really wonder about Pekovic, though. he's an RFA, but still, I would have thought he'd be gathering a lot more interest. clearly the best player out there at the moment, imo.
I think it's a combination of limited upside (though he's definitely solid) and the market knowing that Minnesota is definitely going to pay him and thus would match. And I think he wants to stay with the Wolves.

Signing a guy to an offer sheet only to have his current team match means sitting on your hands for nothing as other FAs are gobbled up and other trades being discussed. If Pekovic sits around for too long without signing a new deal, I wouldn't be surprised if some team goes after him though.
 

Bricklayer

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I really wonder about Pekovic, though. he's an RFA, but still, I would have thought he'd be gathering a lot more interest. clearly the best player out there at the moment, imo.
Its got to be the RFA thing.

See oddly, most rebuilding teams with talented young RFAs send out messages that they are going to keep them and then do. Oddly, such retention of talent eventually leads to them no longer being rebuilding teams.

I am thinking of writing an NBA GMing for Dummies handbook and distributing it down at Sleep Train for future regimes.
 
John Salmons, Sacramento Kings. Salmons is a nice wing player that the Kings oddly gave a large and long contract to. Now they have the just drafted Ben McLemore and they are reportedly in the hunt for Monta Ellis (Atlanta remains the front runner), so why have Salmons in the picture. Salmons is due $7.5 million in 2013-14, and $1 million guaranteed in 2014-15

Tidbit from article on amnesty players

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....-watch/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hope article is right that Atlanta is still front runner
 

Bricklayer

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John Salmons, Sacramento Kings. Salmons is a nice wing player that the Kings oddly gave a large and long contract to. Now they have the just drafted Ben McLemore and they are reportedly in the hunt for Monta Ellis (Atlanta remains the front runner), so why have Salmons in the picture. Salmons is due $7.5 million in 2013-14, and $1 million guaranteed in 2014-15

Tidbit from article on amnesty players

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports....-watch/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Hope article is right that Atlanta is still front runner

Sigh. I'm not sure it helps their credibility that we were NOT the ones that gave him that contract. We were just the fools who traded for a guy with that contract.
 
Marc Stein: Today looms as big day on Jeff Teague front. Strong word Bucks readying offer sheet for Teague. Hawks get 3 days to match IF sheet signed Twitter @ESPNSteinLine
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Marc Stein: But putting offer sheet into play could also trigger ramped-up Bucks & Hawks talks on sign-and-trades. MIL happy to send Jennings OR Monta Twitter @ESPNSteinLine
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Marc Stein: To complicate things further? Hearing Hawks have also registered some interest in free-agent PG Mo Williams, who worked w/Danny Ferry in CLE Twitter @ESPNSteinLine


Read more at http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm#XeErB0HXDPFa8weT.99 So this sounds like until Bucks and Hawks work out their RFA mess and until Dallas works out Bynum deal or not, and until Ellis new agent gets it together we may have a long wait to see what happens with our Ellis offer
 
Oh I completely agree, it's entirely an offensive stat. PER was brought up in this case to question Ellis' credentials as a top level scorer. Plus, as jalfa said, we've already discussed Ellis' defense at length and it's pretty much consensus that he is somewhere between bad and abysmal.
Gotcha. Just didn't know if u were using to compare a player's complete game
 
Atlanta has so many options, and Cuban tweeted to a fan (which has since been deleted apparently) he'd only strongly consider Ellis if they could get him on a OJ Mayo like deal (I'm guessing short years is what he meant). I think we have the firmest offer.
 
Gotcha. Just didn't know if u were using to compare a player's complete game
Again, I'm lukewarm on signing Monta, but where is all of this horrible/bad/inept defense banter coming from? He's not that bad defensively, and probably better against PG's than SG's if that's where the Kings want to play him. Also, Malone will probably run some 1-2-2 zone (like he built at GS) and Monta would actually play well in that zone. He gambles quite a bit, but he also tips a lot of passes and disrupts. I think Malone would also light a fire under his MontAss.
 

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My concern with Ellis is he wants the ball all the time. If Kings will be defense first then who has the ball is moot point as everyone will get touches. Kings have shooters. Now the need is for defenders who can shoot and pass. So am cool on Ellis. Too many eggs in one basket.
 

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Again, I'm lukewarm on signing Monta, but where is all of this horrible/bad/inept defense banter coming from? He's not that bad defensively, and probably better against PG's than SG's if that's where the Kings want to play him. Also, Malone will probably run some 1-2-2 zone (like he built at GS) and Monta would actually play well in that zone. He gambles quite a bit, but he also tips a lot of passes and disrupts. I think Malone would also light a fire under his MontAss.
Yeah, Ellis is actually a pretty aggressive defender when he wants to be. He also holds his ground against significantly bigger SGs surprisingly well. My issue is (and always has been) his highly inefficient offensive game.

But just in terms of roster fit, if Monta is signed it would give the Kings the following guards:

Monta Ellis, Greivis Vasquez, Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore, Ray McCallum, Marcus Thornton, Jimmer Fredette and even John Salmons if he's pressed into action as a SG.

Now clearly either Salmons or Thornton needs to be moved (or in Salmon's case amnestied) but that would still leave 6 or 7 guards on the roster fighting for two spots. More importantly only Vasquez and Thomas are really PGs with the others all being combos or exclusively shooting guards.

McCallum may not make the team but the others are under contract and Thomas, Greivis, Salmons and Fredette are all ending contracts. If PDA is really pushing hard for Ellis then other moves must be in the works.

At the very least Thomas would need to be dealt. He's a cheap and productive asset at the moment and he'd likely lose nearly all his playing time which would lower his trade value.

We'll see.
 
With Fegan involved, I'm sure Monta won't sign anywhere for a little while. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Houston with Howard, if any team will take Lin in a 3-way. Fegan will try and get him on a good team that needs another scorer.
 
I think it's a combination of limited upside (though he's definitely solid) and the market knowing that Minnesota is definitely going to pay him and thus would match. And I think he wants to stay with the Wolves.

Signing a guy to an offer sheet only to have his current team match means sitting on your hands for nothing as other FAs are gobbled up and other trades being discussed. If Pekovic sits around for too long without signing a new deal, I wouldn't be surprised if some team goes after him though.
now that Minny has so much money tied up into Martin and Budinger, if I'm, say, Atlanta, I might look real hard at throwing a lot of cash at Pek and see if Saunders blinks. he's limited, sure, but he's real good at what he does and still has his prime before him. especially with FA options drying up real quick.

in truth, he's probably off somewhere wrestling bears and negotiations can't start until he's murdered one with his bare hands.
 
Yeah, Ellis is actually a pretty aggressive defender when he wants to be. He also holds his ground against significantly bigger SGs surprisingly well. My issue is (and always has been) his highly inefficient offensive game.

But just in terms of roster fit, if Monta is signed it would give the Kings the following guards:

Monta Ellis, Greivis Vasquez, Isaiah Thomas, Ben McLemore, Ray McCallum, Marcus Thornton, Jimmer Fredette and even John Salmons if he's pressed into action as a SG.

Now clearly either Salmons or Thornton needs to be moved (or in Salmon's case amnestied) but that would still leave 6 or 7 guards on the roster fighting for two spots. More importantly only Vasquez and Thomas are really PGs with the others all being combos or exclusively shooting guards.

McCallum may not make the team but the others are under contract and Thomas, Greivis, Salmons and Fredette are all ending contracts. If PDA is really pushing hard for Ellis then other moves must be in the works.

At the very least Thomas would need to be dealt. He's a cheap and productive asset at the moment and he'd likely lose nearly all his playing time which would lower his trade value.

We'll see.

If Monta does come here me thinks:

PGs: Vasquez, IT
SG: Monta, BMC

McCallum does not make the team.

MT and Jimmer, and possibly Salmon are dealt.

Getting rid of MT would be a step in the right direction. He chucks and only chucks. Often, he does not chuck well.
 
With Fegan involved, I'm sure Monta won't sign anywhere for a little while. Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Houston with Howard, if any team will take Lin in a 3-way. Fegan will try and get him on a good team that needs another scorer.
Now that I think of it the reason you probably hire a new agent is that your not happy with any of the present scenarios, including most likely our final offer. I just wonder what power Fegan has. How can he drum up demand that the previous agent was unable to, I don't understand that? Who is now going to be seeking a s/t with Milwaukee that wasn't before?
 
Now that I think of it the reason you probably hire a new agent is that your not happy with any of the present scenarios, including most likely our final offer. I just wonder what power Fegan has. How can he drum up demand that the previous agent was unable to, I don't understand that? Who is now going to be seeking a s/t with Milwaukee that wasn't before?
Maybe it was his old agents idea to opt out and now he's finding out that he won't be making as much money as he could have, so he fired his agent?
 
Have you heard the front office talk about McCallum? I'd bet on IT getting traded before McCallum not making the team.
No way... IT is a fluke 2nd rounder. No way they keep an unproven 2nd rounder over IT who has already proved he can play in the NBA and he is a decent man on man defender.
 

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No way... IT is a fluke 2nd rounder. No way they keep an unproven 2nd rounder over IT who has already proved he can play in the NBA and he is a decent man on man defender.
It isn't just a matter of whether Thomas is a better player than McCallum. It's highly doubtful that McCallum is as good this year as Thomas was as a rookie and even more doubtful that he is a better player than Thomas is currently.

But Thomas is also in the last year of his rookie deal. So while he's currently a bargain and highly productive relative to his contract, the question is whether the FO sees him as a King beyond this season and is willing to pay him accordingly. The trade for Vasquez and the flirtation with Ellis tells me that D'Allesandro is not looking at Thomas as a long term solution either as a starting PG OR a bench sparkplug (which is where I see his best role).

So if Thomas is likely on his way out it makes much more sense to trade him this offseason (or at worst by the trading deadline) to get something in return rather than let him walk for nothing. Because of his small cap number, he'd likely be paired with another player if he is dealt.

Personally I wanted to see Evans/McLemore/Iguodala/Patterson/Cousins with Thomas as a 6th man, change of pace guard and Thompson getting most of the backup PF/C minutes in a nice 8 or 9 man rotation.

Que cera cera.
 
The Mavericks don’t expect to do any more summer shopping for backcourt help.

“That’s probably a long shot,” president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson told reporters Wednesday.

In other words, don’t hold your breath for Monta Ellis to become a Maverick.

The Mavs have addressed their backcourt needs by agreeing to terms with point guard Jose Calderon, combo guard Devin Harris and shooting guard Wayne Ellington. Sources have indicated throughout the free agency process that the Mavs’ interest in Ellis has been dependent on him slipping through the cracks and being a short-term bargain like O.J. Mayo was last summer.

The Mavs, who have approximately $8.2 million in salary-cap space, have made filling the massive void at center a priority. They are engaged in cautious negotiations with Andrew Bynum after meeting with the free-agent center and his agent Wednesday morning.

Ellis, a combo guard with a career average of 19.4 points despite poor efficiency ratings, is a luxury the Mavs likely can not afford.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4696930/dont-expect-monta-ellis-to-be-a-maverick
 

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The Mavericks don’t expect to do any more summer shopping for backcourt help.

“That’s probably a long shot,” president of basketball operations Donnie Nelson told reporters Wednesday.

In other words, don’t hold your breath for Monta Ellis to become a Maverick.
Come on Hawks. You know you want him. Monta Elli HAVE IT ALL.
 
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