Lowry talk heating up .. Kings in the mix (ESPN)
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I don't do that deal. No way. We had Daly and didn't do enough to retain him. Then we go through another year of sucking, to come away with the 5th pick, only to trade it away for a 1 yr rental of Daly, the same player we let walk?
So basically, trade away the 5th pick to make up for last years mistake, while still being stuck with Chuck/Cisco/Salmons?
Hell no.
Tell Hou to send Lowry or tell them to F off and get on the phone with Chi and Philly.
So basically, trade away the 5th pick to make up for last years mistake, while still being stuck with Chuck/Cisco/Salmons?
Hell no.
Tell Hou to send Lowry or tell them to F off and get on the phone with Chi and Philly.
Dally, as an expiring aging big - forgive me shotblocking fanatics - is not worth close to any of the picks mentioned.
Taking/valuing Dally as an expiring over #14 or #16( or to make it more simplistic - a 1 year rental of a guy who declined to resign here not so long ago and will be a UFA at the end of this year, over a guy like Henson/Harkless/Taylor/Jones/Leonard/Zeller on a 5 year rookie contract with RFA status at the end of it) is just bad bad bad bad bad. I don't even wanna think of the possibility the Kings will bite on that horrible, short and narrow minded move.
Taking/valuing Dally as an expiring over #14 or #16( or to make it more simplistic - a 1 year rental of a guy who declined to resign here not so long ago and will be a UFA at the end of this year, over a guy like Henson/Harkless/Taylor/Jones/Leonard/Zeller on a 5 year rookie contract with RFA status at the end of it) is just bad bad bad bad bad. I don't even wanna think of the possibility the Kings will bite on that horrible, short and narrow minded move.
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Daly will be better than 5 out of those 6 names in all liklihood. Worst case, 4 of the 6. You can decide on your own which of them. You acquire vets because you KNOW that they can play. You don't hope. The odds of any of the above guys ever racking up 582 career starts , or being Top 40 all time in blocked shots are fairly long. The odds of more than 1 or 2 of them acheiving that sort of competence are VERY long.
The concern here is the #5, and probably specifically MKG, although obviously you can see the Drummond principle at work here as that is the guy the teams are maneuvering for, not a strong roleplayer.
As I said, short term thinking.
Remind me what's Dally contract situation? If we're so eager we can nab him (Let alone Serge Ibaka) just another year down the line in the Free Agency period and still have the pick.
So the 1 year we'll have Dally who's headed straight to the Free Agency market a year older(Let's again remember, a guy who declined, no matter if cause of him or us, to resign for us just last summer)
Is better for this franchise then Terrance Ross\ Moe Harkless\ John Henson\ Tyler Zeller\ Terrance Jones\ Mayers Leonard on a 5 year rookie contract deal, with their entire future ahead of them, and a RFA status after those 5 years?
I'll absolutely agree to disagree, and pray to god the Kings organization doesn't share your line of thinking. You make it sound like Dally is the ultimate savior of this franchise.
Remind me what's Dally contract situation? If we're so eager we can nab him (Let alone Serge Ibaka) just another year down the line in the Free Agency period and still have the pick.
So the 1 year we'll have Dally who's headed straight to the Free Agency market a year older(Let's again remember, a guy who declined, no matter if cause of him or us, to resign for us just last summer)
Is better for this franchise then Terrance Ross\ Moe Harkless\ John Henson\ Tyler Zeller\ Terrance Jones\ Mayers Leonard on a 5 year rookie contract deal, with their entire future ahead of them, and a RFA status after those 5 years?
I'll absolutely agree to disagree, and pray to god the Kings organization doesn't share your line of thinking. You make it sound like Dally is the ultimate savior of this franchise.
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No way we can be so stupid. I don't want to believe these rumors. How can they even think about trading the 5th pick for Dally and #14? #5 is worth much more than that, we need to value our assets, not just dump them away.
Anyways, I just want to believe these are rumors and nothing more, and Petrie usually doesn't let the media know what he's really doing. At least I hope so.
Anyways, I just want to believe these are rumors and nothing more, and Petrie usually doesn't let the media know what he's really doing. At least I hope so.
I like Daly and would love to have him back. But the #5 is too much, especially without unloading a bad contract which defeats the purpose of Hou making the trade and I doubt they take on. No way one year from now do I want to see Daly walk, and we essentially flipped the #5 for the #14, and still may have Chuck/Cisco/Salmons.
Lowry could help us a lot. He fixes the position problem with Tyreke while giving us something we need offensively (a reliable outside shooter, someone who can initiate the offense and then play off the ball like Mike Bibby used to do) as well us something we need defensively. Dalembert is the right type of player, but you don't trade a #5 pick for an aging veteran with one year left on his contract. Especially not when you already had a deal to sign that player in the off-season and pulled it off the table to make an offer to someone else. If that's where this is headed -- Dalembert and a lower pick -- sign me up to lead the march to Petrie's house with pitchforks. That's too absurd to be believable.
I'll add to that -- if we had just taken Brandon Knight or Bismack Biyombo with our pick last year instead of trying to fix all of our problems at once we wouldn't need to make this Houston deal, all we'd have to do is take the best player available whether it's Robinson or MKG or Barnes and add them to one of the best young cores in the league. Throwing away top picks impulsively (or wasting them) is how franchises stay in the basement for years on end.
All the latest rumors seem to be pointing to Lowry headed to Toronto. So why again would the Kings want to trade their #5 for a pick or two in the mid-teens? Pull the plug on this one before the pitchforks come out. If the front office loves Dally so much, go bid on him next summer. Don't waste a #5 draft pick on him.
I think people may be kind of sticking their head in the sand a bit here as to just how short our window is. And by our window, I mean the whole franchise's window. Sacramento's. This board's. In two year's time DeMarcus Cousins can say adios muchachos. We might already have lost our ROY. A rotting building, broke owners still pushing to leave, a fanbase turned off in droves after 7 straight losing seasons. Geoff may have retired, to be replaced by the family dog. There is a cataclysm awaiting continued failure.
I don't think they would, so I'm going to believe that it is just rumors.
If MKG or Robinson are sitting there at the #5 spot, they are more valuable than the #14 & #16 picks.
I only trade the #5 to Houston if I get both Lowry and one of their mid-1st picks. Our #5 is more important that the Raptor's #8, so if I were Petrie that is where I draw the line.
If MKG or Robinson are sitting there at the #5 spot, they are more valuable than the #14 & #16 picks.
I only trade the #5 to Houston if I get both Lowry and one of their mid-1st picks. Our #5 is more important that the Raptor's #8, so if I were Petrie that is where I draw the line.
This. Kings are pretty pathetic as a front office. It seems they are ignorant to their own lack of iq, which means theyre just oblivious enough to pull some crap that they think is smart. Just take the 5th, grab your bpa and go home. These games are for big boys and Geoff has shown that he can only handle simple tasks: draft at his original position. When those gets muddled, you get salmons. When a new CBA gets put in place, you get Travis utlaw for the same price as billups.
Dalembert won't put this team over 500. He will only leave you with a worse draft pick next year when he's gone. And you want to give up a top 5 pick for that? I wish I could breathe easy because it's just too asinine to pull, but these kings are getting to legendary status for horrible moves. Pray to whatever deity you prefer that Geoff can get out of his own way. Wellneed every one of them for this.
Dalembert won't put this team over 500. He will only leave you with a worse draft pick next year when he's gone. And you want to give up a top 5 pick for that? I wish I could breathe easy because it's just too asinine to pull, but these kings are getting to legendary status for horrible moves. Pray to whatever deity you prefer that Geoff can get out of his own way. Wellneed every one of them for this.
It really depends on what you're looking for from your SF. If you're looking for a star player, then you're correct in that there most likely won't be a star SF left at 14.
However, this is a deep draft for SFs and one of Jeffrey Taylor, Moe Harkness, T.Ross, & Quincy Miller will be availabe at 14.
Now I saw a lot of Taylor, Ross, & Miller last year and not much of Harkness since I only saw St John's play a few times.
I can say with as much certainty as you can in these things that Taylor would be a phenominal pick-up for the Kings and would fit in very well and would be able to solidify the SF spot. The other 3 players I have more questions about, but Taylor should be there at 14, and I would expect to take him to solidify the SF position. And if he isn't there, well it appears the Kings are high on Harkness, so he'd be a great concellation prize.
However, this is a deep draft for SFs and one of Jeffrey Taylor, Moe Harkness, T.Ross, & Quincy Miller will be availabe at 14.
Now I saw a lot of Taylor, Ross, & Miller last year and not much of Harkness since I only saw St John's play a few times.
I can say with as much certainty as you can in these things that Taylor would be a phenominal pick-up for the Kings and would fit in very well and would be able to solidify the SF spot. The other 3 players I have more questions about, but Taylor should be there at 14, and I would expect to take him to solidify the SF position. And if he isn't there, well it appears the Kings are high on Harkness, so he'd be a great concellation prize.
Whats with all the anger? Were just talking deals here. Forget the past and consider whether Dalembert could help us or not? If so, then it doesn't matter what circumstance he left under. The only thing that matters is whether its a good deal for us or not. Besides, apparently we didn't just let him walk. He didn't want to return here because of Westphal. Well, Westphal isn't here anymore. Maybe a one year rental to see how things play out is the best way to approach this.
Lets apply some logic here. If Houston is willing to trade Lowery straight up for the 8th pick, then obviously they would trade him straight up for the 5th pick, No? So that means, were not interested in Lowery. At least not for the 5th pick. So that means we can all stop speculating about Lowery coming to the Kings. Would I like him? Yes! Does he play a position of great need right now? NO! We need a big, and a good SF. Also, Dalembert being included in a deal is nothing more than speculation. So until a deal goes down, and Dalembert is included in said deal, maybe we can all stop grinding our teeth.
Just my stupid opinion, but we waste a lot of energy getting upset over something that hasn't even happened.
Just my stupid opinion, but we waste a lot of energy getting upset over something that hasn't even happened.
And if I may, why think small if Dalembert for one year is a "smart" move? Why not just take a page from the Rockets book and trade the #5, Marcus Thornton and Chuck Hayes to Orlando to rent Dwight Howard for a the same one year? Damn sure would make the playoffs and boost the team. Then at the end, you still have a sign and trade asset in Howard.