Would you trade Bibby to get KG?
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nbrans
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What's the URL to the Wolves board?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Would be more of a concern if you weren't talking about a guy, who you put him on the roster and he becomes a) your leading scorer; b) your leading rebounder; c) your leading shotblocker; d) maybe your best passer. And on about 26 or 27 of the teams out there, likely your best, and most versatile, defender too.
He's a one man patch for what ails you.
whozit
Starter
Your not the only one interested. Almost a tease infering that they should give the Kings even MORE.
Like to know the rest of the story.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Your not the only one interested. Almost a tease infering that they should give the Kings even MORE.
Like to know the rest of the story.
Unfortunately I can only assume that's a fan talking, not the Wolves.
Of course be happy to be wrong.
I don't recall - someone had listed a couple responses and a link or two a couple days ago.
They don't have a place as well known/used as this from what I can find, though.
Except with all that wonder the Wolves still suck. So yes, its still a concern as far as I am concerned.
Uh, here's what I saw. I'd have to look to see if it was in here or was in some other place I googled looking for more.
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showpost.php?p=338453&postcount=220
I am heading out the door, so I don't have time right now. Sorry.
OK, I found what I was thinking of in one of those links, and it was just a passing mention of including the 6. Sorry to get some hopes up unexpectedly, if I indeed do that. My recollection of the post was a little different than the reality. My bad.
"As for the SAC trade, eh... If we didn't have to give up our number six pick, got their #19 and maybe a future first... who knows. The future first would be key to the trade though. I highly doubt SAC would do that, however. They would have to take more crap off our hands though...I'd say at least Blount, Hudson, or Jaric. Brad Miller is signed for 12M per year through 2010 and Kenny Thomas is signed through 2010 for 7-8.5M per year. Taking on those contracts without getting rid of some of our crap would be crippling to our rebuilding process. That's my take on it."
"As for the SAC trade, eh... If we didn't have to give up our number six pick, got their #19 and maybe a future first... who knows. The future first would be key to the trade though. I highly doubt SAC would do that, however. They would have to take more crap off our hands though...I'd say at least Blount, Hudson, or Jaric. Brad Miller is signed for 12M per year through 2010 and Kenny Thomas is signed through 2010 for 7-8.5M per year. Taking on those contracts without getting rid of some of our crap would be crippling to our rebuilding process. That's my take on it."
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R1LOVER
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You underestimate just how bad Minnesota was last year if you take out Garnett.
Nothing even remotely to compare to what we would have left even in the more expensive of the options listed. Think you are still trying to win with depth. But that's rarely if ever how it works. Minnesota is the team that has every reason to worry if it works out. These trades almost never work out for the team trading the superstar in his/her prime.
kingkung
Bench
"PLEASE take Kevin Garnett from us!!!! PLEEEEASE!!!"
If by "win with depth" you mean field a starting lineup with 5 actual "starting" quality players, yes. Even if we kept Bibby we'd still probably have to make do with a below average center like Blount or whoever was available for the MLE. I wasn't talking about just last year though, the guy's never gotten it done. Fantastically gifted and skilled player but needs a competent core around him to win.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Depends on who would go with Bibby in a trade. I am not opposed to trading him for KG if he is the main piece. A deal sending Bibby + Bonzi + Brad, or combinded with Kevin Martin and so on gets a hell no from me.
Padrino
All-Star
what exactly is this even supposed to mean? what superstar in the history of the nba won the title by himself? if you look over nba history for the better part of the last 20 years, you will notice that either a) teams were constructed of complementary superstars, rendering them impossible to beat (bird/mchale/parrish, abdul-jabar/magic/worthy), or one or two key components were surrounded by solid role players (jordan/pippen/grant/armstrong, olajuwan/horry/"the jet" smith, kobe/shaq/fisher/fox/horry, duncan/ginobili/parker/bowen).
point is, no one guy ever did it on his own. garnett carried an overrated team to the western conference finals as it was. and yes, they certainly were overrated. they were good, no doubt, but they weren't that good. troy hudson? yeah, right. sam cassel and latrell sprewell? good, but past their primes with bothersome personalities. wally szczerbiak is a good role player, but was hardly the running mate that garnett needs. honestly, look that team up and down, and tell me it was a title contender. nobody can honestly believe they had a shot. their regular season record was good, but it didn't mean much, did it?
when garnett teams up with the proper supporting cast--one whose personalities and styles of play don't clash--then we can talk about him winning a championship. he certainly could do it with bibby and artest or bonzi and artest...with help from young talents kevin martin and francisco garcia, and young, fiery head coach eric musselman. no despondence here like there is in minny right now. we play to win. come on down, kg.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The guy's never had much of a team around him now has he? His best team before his only team (the WCF crew) fetured Tom Gugliotta and Stephon Marbury, who both went on to amazing championship careers post KG. Certainly not the team we still put around him even if Brad and Bibby walk the plank to get him. He made the WCF two years ago without anyone nearly as qualified as Artest + no real center.
Our way -- as in pile up mediocre/good talent, does not work. Has never really worked. If its out there, time to load up on superstuds and do it the way the winners do.
Padrino, I think you misunderstand. My response has been to the attitude that we can trade the whole team with the exception of Artest and fill out the floor with just about anybody and those two superstars will get it done. Once Garnett is here we will have no cap flexibility and we'll be in the same boat the T'wolves have been in so if we make a deal we better have competent players left over. That's all I'm saying - keep one of the other starters and make sure you have someone qualified to play point guard at an NBA level.
I give up arguing this though. If it happens it happens.
I give up arguing this though. If it happens it happens.
chelle
Starter
I just want to say, "Be careful what you wish for." I love KG, but I still do not agree that giving up everybody or a substantial group for him will advance us. He needs good to great players around him. BBall is a TEAM sport. He has not gotten any deeper in the playoffs than we did. He would be a BIG and GREAT ADDITION, but he + Artest + bench players will not get it done. If we can find a way to keepr Bibby and Artest and still get him, I'd do it in a minute. Otherwise, not sure AT ALL.
Padrino
All-Star
i don't know why people are so unsure of this. first off, its inconceivable that the kings would have to give up more than miller, thomas, bonzi/bibby, and the 19th pick. its absurd to even assume that we'd have to "give up everybody" to get garnett, so why do people keep harping on this point? we've already established that, if the kings acquired kevin garnett, they will have enough talent left to not only field a talented team, but possibly a serious contender. i outlined in my post above what championship teams looked like over the past 20 years, and garnett/artest/bibby or garnett/artest/wells belongs right in the conversation, considering the competition in the nba today.
as for the salary cap...well, pardon the vulgarity, but **** the cap. you have to spend to win. you have to cripple yourself in the long term to win in the short term. unless you are the boston celtics or los angeles lakers of the 1980's, all you can hope for is to win in the short term. 8 year dynasty's no longer exist in the nba. the time to win is now, so why pinch pennies? what superstar in the nba is so readily available as kevin garnett? he's the closest thing there is right now in this league to a superstar on the verge of being traded, so if the opportunity presents itself, you do what is necessary to at least compete for his services. history says superstars win. i'll take my chances with 30 year old kevin garnett in the short term every day of the week and twice on sunday.
as for the salary cap...well, pardon the vulgarity, but **** the cap. you have to spend to win. you have to cripple yourself in the long term to win in the short term. unless you are the boston celtics or los angeles lakers of the 1980's, all you can hope for is to win in the short term. 8 year dynasty's no longer exist in the nba. the time to win is now, so why pinch pennies? what superstar in the nba is so readily available as kevin garnett? he's the closest thing there is right now in this league to a superstar on the verge of being traded, so if the opportunity presents itself, you do what is necessary to at least compete for his services. history says superstars win. i'll take my chances with 30 year old kevin garnett in the short term every day of the week and twice on sunday.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Basketball really isn't a TEAM sport like that. Not by the time you reach the NBA. Its a sport of individual brilliance, conducted within a team setting. Translated, the best team structures over the years have always been one, or two, or three (in the truly legendary teams) incomparable talents surrounded by limited players who's value to the team lays in their willingness to get the hell out of the way of their betters, do the dirty work, feed the big dogs, convert on a decent percentage of the leftovers. So you surround the stars with...Derek Fisher, Robert Horry, Rick Fox, Bruce Bowen, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed, Avery Johnson, Mario Elie, Luc Longley, Ron Harper, Kenny Smith, John Salley, Buddha Edwards, AC Green etc. etc. etc. Roleplayers, that are not really standalone players. Who can go to a losing team and make not an ounce of difference by themselves.
The third gun to Shaq and Wade is...Antoine Walker? The third gun to Dirk is Josh Howard. Of course they don't really have an elite 2nd gun. The third gun to Shaq n Kobe was...Rick Fox? It'd be great to keep everybody and still get KG, but it doesn't work that way, and who is that third or fourth gun has never been as important as who is the 1st or 2nd.
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Rome
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No. Simply because KG needs a player like Bibby to play on his team. Just look at what happened to the Timberwolves when they lost Cassell. Bibby and KG would be a deadly duo for any team to play against. With Bibby's ability to shoot off the pick and roll and with KG's all around offensive game Bibby is a must keep.
ParniValjak
All-Star
In a heart beat.
