Would you rather have Favors or Cousins?

rainmaker

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Thought this would be an interesting topic to talk about going forward. Favors or Cousins, the two top bigs in this draft. If we are lucky enough to have a chance at either of them, who would you rather have any why.

We draft Cousins, and he becomes our center going forward. No doubt about it in my mind. Spencer would go to the bench or get traded.

We draft Favors, Spencer potentially keeps starting at center, and hopfully Landry goes to the bench in favor of Favors.

Both are studs. Both will be stars. I'm not sure at this point if I would prefer a frontline of Cousins and Landry starting, with Spencer backing up the 5, or Spencer and Favors starting, with Landry backing up the 4. Both could work, and of course it's a lot of speculation going forward. We might not have a choice of either of them, or we might add a big through free agency.
 
Kings4life23

Kings4life23

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rainmaker said:
Thought this would be an interesting topic to talk about going forward. Favors or Cousins, the two top bigs in this draft. If we are lucky enough to have a chance at either of them, who would you rather have any why.

We draft Cousins, and he becomes our center going forward. No doubt about it in my mind. Spencer would go to the bench or get traded.

We draft Favors, Spencer potentially keeps starting at center, and hopfully Landry goes to the bench in favor of Favors.

Both are studs. Both will be stars. I'm not sure at this point if I would prefer a frontline of Cousins and Landry starting, with Spencer backing up the 5, or Spencer and Favors starting, with Landry backing up the 4. Both could work, and of course it's a lot of speculation going forward. We might not have a choice of either of them, or we might add a big through free agency.
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I would rather pick up a 2 like Turner if we get that lucky.Trade a few players like Noc and Garcia and are 2nd round pick for another pick and take Hassan Whiteside if we can snag him. I see alot more potiental in Whiteside than either favors or cousins and I think Turner will be star and justify picking him with are first pick. This is subject to were we pick of course but in my opinion best case senario.
 
Henkel

Henkel

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Cousins without a doubt. I have nothing against Favors I just feel he is more of a project at this point. Cousins is going to be a dominate player on the offensive end and on the glass in my opinion. His foot work is just so good for a player his age. Add in his size and strength and I think you have a dominate low post player. His rebounding is even more of a sure thing, nothing translates better from college ball to the pros.

He does have a attitude problem, to what degree is up for debate. He isn't a elite athlete, he is pretty agile though just doesn't seem to to run the floor all that well. I'm not really concerned with his athleticism as long as he stays in shape. If he doesn't stay in shape then its really going to hurt him. He is not the best defender. I think he can become a good post defender I just don't see him ever being a great shot blocker and help defender.

I don't think he is the best player in this class but he might just be the best fit for us.
 
Gary

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Cousins 100 out of 100 times.. The guy is going to be a beast on the boards.. Might even get upwards of 12-14 a game and he's a definite inside presence on the O and D end.
 
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TheRaven

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Gary said:
Cousins 100 out of 100 times.. The guy is going to be a beast on the boards.. Might even get upwards of 12-14 a game and he's a definite inside presence on the O and D end.
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I agree as well. I like Favors and believe he has a lot of potential, but it is much harder to find good full-size post players with a complete game on both sides of the court. Cousins has the size, body type, and attitude that we need in the post.

On offense he can overpower most post players that are his size or smaller, and his lateral quickness and mobility allows him to out-quick most bigger centers. He also is more versatile on offense than many realize because his mid-range jumper is actually pretty good, he just wasn't asked to use it very much. On defense he has the size, length, bulk, and lateral quickness to play solid man defense against NBA-sized post players and rebounds quite well. Not the greatest shot blocker, but he will still pick up some.
 
bajaden

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Well if you have a choice between two big men and all things are equal, you take the bigger of the two. In this case Cousins. Cousins is not a bad defender. He's a good man defender. Where he suffers a little is defending the pick and roll. He's quicker than most think, and I think he's a good athlete for a man of his size. I would be tickled pink if we could get him.
 
TTown Kings

TTown Kings

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I know Cousins is the popular choice due to his size, but I like Favors. Probably mostly due to his athleticism. He's also super young. Who is the better defender/rebounder/shotblocker right now? I know Cousins has more offensive game, but is that really what we're looking for?

However, I'd be absolutely thrilled to get either one.
 
bajaden

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TTown Kings said:
I know Cousins is the popular choice due to his size, but I like Favors. Probably mostly due to his athleticism. He's also super young. Who is the better defender/rebounder/shotblocker right now? I know Cousins has more offensive game, but is that really what we're looking for?

However, I'd be absolutely thrilled to get either one.
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I believe Cousins led the entire NCAA in rebounding. I could be wrong about that, but there's no doubt that he's a tremendous rebounder. He's also an excellent man defender and a decent to good shotblocker. I have nothing against Favors. I would love to have him also. But one is a center and one is a PF. And in my opinion the Kings need a legit center that can play in the post.
 
Chupacabra

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Cousins is too much of a beast not to pick him. If i were the Kings id pick Cousins even if i had the #1 pick. Hes never going to lose his size. Hes got good footwork, good hands and good athleticism. Considering how rare good centers are and how much we lack in our frontcourt i dont see how the Kings couldnt pick him if hes available.
 
Vlade4GM

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I'm still not 100% certain, but if I had to choose right now, I'd choose Favors. I think he's going to be a very good defender and rebounder, he has a good attitude, still very young, and has the tools to be a pretty good offensive player.

Cousins has the edge in that, at this point, he has more go-to ability than Favors, but I'd rather not take the chance on the player with a questionable attitude and motor.
 
LPKingsFan

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Waiting until the lottery before wading into this one. Still feel burned by wasting so much time on Rubio vs. Griffin last year, although it ended up working out just fine ;)
 
Jaylee209

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Hmmm...Tyrus Thomas or Eddy Curry? I say neither. Give me a defensive stopper. We have enough scoring. We just gotta stop the other team from scoring.
 
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Smills91

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It'd be crazy if we had the CHOICE between the two. I think either would be GREAT picks, but if I had to choose, I think I'd go with Cousins. We need TALENT, and I think the kid is hungry enough to be great in the future. I think he does everything we need him to do for our roster needs and he may very well end up being the BPA to boot.

So I think Cousins is it. However, if we pick Favors I wouldn't complain.

Maturity + Conditioning and I think Cousins could potentially be the Best Center in the league during his prime years of 25-32.
 
bajaden

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Smills91 said:
It'd be crazy if we had the CHOICE between the two. I think either would be GREAT picks, but if I had to choose, I think I'd go with Cousins. We need TALENT, and I think the kid is hungry enough to be great in the future. I think he does everything we need him to do for our roster needs and he may very well end up being the BPA to boot.

So I think Cousins is it. However, if we pick Favors I wouldn't complain.

Maturity + Conditioning and I think Cousins could potentially be the Best Center in the league during his prime years of 25-32.
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Yeah I agree 100%. I'd be happy with either one. But I would prefer Cousins. I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that he's not athletic. He's a very good athlete for a center that weighs 275 pounds. He reminds me of Griffin in the sense that he uses just whats necessary to get the job done. But if you watch enough games you'll see him show a lot more quickness than you thought was there. I've seen him dunk the ball with his elbow above the rim, so I'm not sure just how high you have to jump to meet some of the standards around here.

As far as Favors is concerned. comparing him to Tyrus Thomas is almost a sacrilege. I mean Thomas is 6'8" in shoes. Favors is a legit 6'10", maybe 6'11" and has a good wingspan. He's a great athlete and is a better low post player and rebounder right now than Thomas is after 4 years in the NBA.
 
Vlade4GM

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Explosiveness is really what is important, not really how high a player can get when given the time and space to reach their max vertical. We'll see what his no step vertical is when the combine comes around, but when I've seen him play he does not explode up vertically very well off two feet. Especially with contact, he seems stapled to the floor. That's not to say he won't do well, just that he has to compensate in other areas.
 
Chupacabra

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LPKingsFan said:
Waiting until the lottery before wading into this one. Still feel burned by wasting so much time on Rubio vs. Griffin last year, although it ended up working out just fine ;)
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Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying that there was actually an argument over whether or not the Kings should take Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio if theyre both available for the Kings to select? Wow.
 
bajaden

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Vlade4GM said:
Explosiveness is really what is important, not really how high a player can get when given the time and space to reach their max vertical. We'll see what his no step vertical is when the combine comes around, but when I've seen him play he does not explode up vertically very well off two feet. Especially with contact, he seems stapled to the floor. That's not to say he won't do well, just that he has to compensate in other areas.
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We'll see. It is hard to argue with his results though. One thing he's really good at is getting inside position. He's so strong that he just backs players out of his way. I've seen time and time again where he was surrounded by three or four opposing players and he came down with the rebound.
 
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FakeInjury

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can't choose another? must pick cousins if he is on the board. Favors is a nice consolation prize because of his athleticism, but in terms of size and mobility cousins is the whole package. He is immature and will take a couple years to become a star, but next to his name there is an asterisk that says *allstar potential
 
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Vlade4GM said:
I'm still not 100% certain, but if I had to choose right now, I'd choose Favors. I think he's going to be a very good defender and rebounder, he has a good attitude, still very young, and has the tools to be a pretty good offensive player.

Cousins has the edge in that, at this point, he has more go-to ability than Favors, but I'd rather not take the chance on the player with a questionable attitude and motor.
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This is the way I see it too. I don't even think Cousins attitude is questionable, its just bad. He's had numerous in game run-ins with Calipari and this is just a Freshman on scholarship, not a millionaire with a guaranteed contract. This storyline has played out many times, and it usually takes these players two or three teams before they mature and let their talent flow.

Would I take a chance on him at #4? Of course! He's very talented, an very big. Good combo. I just wouldn't take him over another superstar big man talent who by all accounts has a 10/10 attitude as well.
 
KingGiant49erFan

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Chupacabra said:
Whoa whoa whoa. Are you saying that there was actually an argument over whether or not the Kings should take Blake Griffin or Ricky Rubio if theyre both available for the Kings to select? Wow.
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Yeah. And who could forget the epic Jeff Teague vs Rubio debate.. that one seemed to go on forever for some reason..
As for the question of the thread I think that you have to go Cousins just based on his unique size, wingspan, post game but I think that Favors would be the perfect fit for Tyreke.. Imagine the two of them running the floor together..
 
Kingster

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bajaden said:
We'll see. It is hard to argue with his results though. One thing he's really good at is getting inside position. He's so strong that he just backs players out of his way. I've seen time and time again where he was surrounded by three or four opposing players and he came down with the rebound.
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In the NBA he's going to find there are a lot of strong players. And for the most part, they are going to be quicker than he is. They are going to be quicker laterally, quicker off their feet, and quicker straight ahead. Quickness matters, even in the big guys. If it didn't matter, Walton would have been ordinary, Russell less than ordinary, Hakim a nothing, Jabbar a geek, and Shaq a player that we see today, not seven years ago. The question is: Is Cousins just a bigger Sheldon Williams?
 
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