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Savo said:
They used to call Yugoslavia the European Brazil, now we are the European Paraguay.

Bingo. We better get used to it, and we cannot blame this coach for everything. Sure, he is hyper-conservative and it is painful to watch, but then again who exactly on this team would you trust to create in the middle and what striker on this team can play in the "World Cup mode" where you may get only one real chance to score and then you have to score? On the other hand we have more good-to-great defenders then most other teams.

It's really hard to admit this (I am a Partizan fan) but we haven't had a truly great player since Piksi and we haven't had a great Serbian team of any kind since Zvezda in the 90's.
 
bozzwell said:
It's really hard to admit this (I am a Partizan fan) but we haven't had a truly great player since Piksi and we haven't had a great Serbian team of any kind since Zvezda in the 90's.


thank You

You guys had a great team in 92 too. To bad the war came
 
Savo said:
Well, that's the way our coaches do things. I can't forget 1998 and the game against Holland. Back then coach Santrac put Branko Brnovic in the team. I thought I was gonna die. Why the fear, why oh why? Can't we just attack anymore? This time Petkovic used Nenad Djordjevic, well at least he remembered that Koroman was available.
They used to call Yugoslavia the European Brazil, now we are the European Paraguay.

As a holland supporter, I certainly didn't like the fact they had to play Yugoslavia. I thought they were extremely dangerous, and it showed in the match. Didn't Milosevic hit the net post in that match?

vj9999 said:
It's painful for me to say because I am a huge KEzman fan, but I won't disagree with you.

Alot of it has to do about how he is used though. If I see Kezman with a ball for longer than 5 seconds it is almost given he will lose the ball (or trip over it). He needs to collect on garbage plays and never leave the box.

I know Dutch league is not the strongest, but you can't be the best scorer 3 years in a row (scoring better for PSV than Ruud, Ronaldo and van Basten) without some talent.

I think PSV fans would say they like Kezman, but that he's not in the league of any of those you named.

For some reason (I might be dead wrong), I get the feeling Kezman thinks he's better than he really is (which isn't to say he's crap, far from that).
 
US performance today was about the worst case scenario I could have predicted. Defense was exposed horribly and nothing we did at midfield or up front showed much promise of breaking through. It looks like it will be three and out for us, the only question is how bad will it be. Our best chance (realistically) would now be Italy and Ghana tie this afternoon and that we tie Italy and beat Ghana with Czechs going 3-0.
 
OK, I am very disappointed in this outcome.

I am not a soccer fan to say the least. But the World Cup has absolutely sucked me in due to the magnitude of the event. This is actually a world championship that happens every four years. I was told over and over that this was the best chance that the USA has ever had to compete.....AND TO COME OUT AND SUCK LIKE THAT IS NOT COOL!!!:mad:.

Now I know that it is not over for the U.S. but it is not looking good.
 
Kajun said:
I think PSV fans would say they like Kezman, but that he's not in the league of any of those you named.

For some reason (I might be dead wrong), I get the feeling Kezman thinks he's better than he really is (which isn't to say he's crap, far from that).

I agree he is not in the same league as van Basten and Ronaldo or Romario (I won't comment on Ruud since I can't stand him). I was more trying to say that when used in the right system he can do exceptionally well. Without support from players like van Bommel and Robben his flaws become much more exposed.
 
Purple Reign said:
OK, I am very disappointed in this outcome.

I am not a soccer fan to say the least. But the World Cup has absolutely sucked me in due to the magnitude of the event. This is actually a world championship that happens every four years. I was told over and over that this was the best chance that the USA has ever had to compete.....AND TO COME OUT AND SUCK LIKE THAT IS NOT COOL!!!:mad:.

Now I know that it is not over for the U.S. but it is not looking good.

That was really a nightmare matchup for USA. Czechs are bigger, stronger and very quick. Usually diminutive players have speed/quickness advantage but it was not the case today. Czechs always had 10 man behind the ball and choked up the midfield. It did not help that US team came out flat and stayed flat.

I am sure that coach Arena will make adjustments and that players themselves will bring more intensity and urgency to the next two games.

One mitigating factor is that Czechs are the best team I've seen so far and they can score 3 goals on almost anybody (37 goals in 12 games during the qualifiers). Maybe things are not as bad for US as they looked this morning.
 
bozzwell said:
One mitigating factor is that Czechs are the best team I've seen so far and they can score 3 goals on almost anybody (37 goals in 12 games during the qualifiers). Maybe things are not as bad for US as they looked this morning.
I'm still not sure if they're really the best team I've seen so far or if we just made them look good (I've watched every game but Argentina/Ivory Coast, I had a kickball game Saturday otherwise wouldn't have missed it). They're definitely right up there but watching Italy and Ghana right now I can't believe they would dominate either of these teams the way they did to us.
 
The problem with the Czech is that they are *old*. Yes, they wouldn't be old by NBA standards, but by football standards, they are old.

I won't say they can't do anything good anymore, but they are a little bit over the hill. If they had guys like Nedved in his prime then they'd be even more dangerous.

Italy-Ghana was hugely entertaining. It's been awhile since they played this attacking football. Toni was amazing.

Go Tooooooooni!!!
 
It certainly was to our disadvantage to play the Czechs first. It sounds like Koller may be done (conflicting reports on this but his reaction when being carted off was telling) and some of the other guys could wear down so they may not power through everyone like they did us.

Italy's win today has pretty much sealed our fate, its not very realistic to expect us to get two wins on European soil and even that won't guarantee getting into the next round because we're screwed on goal differential. At this point I'm more concerned with representing ourselves well the rest of the tournament than I am about advancing .
 
Here is the deal with US. World Cup is not CONCAF soccer. You don't get to play Honduras, Nicaragua, St Vincent etc. You have to come out and play hard every second of the game. Too bad that US is in this group because after they lose to Italy and they will - is will be an early flight home.
 
I think you oversimplify things a little bit piksi, we did advance in 1994 and 2002 with less than stellar play in group play (we had a few draws and losses in games we should have won) but it required two monumental upsets to advance. The biggest problem with today was that we absolutely dropped a turd out there and even winning the next two games may not compensate for it.

CONCACAF isn't the joke it used to be either even though they're still well behind Europe and South America. Plus with the unprecedented amount of Americans now playing overseas and all the friendlies the national team plays against good South American and European teams its not like they had no clue what they'd be facing today.
 
win on saturday or the usa is done

donovan was poor
beasley horrible
convey bad

the only bight spot was eddie johnson who came on and had some good chances
 
Well, I just got home from work and watched the Recorded USA game. Very dissapointing. I guess they aren't really ready for the big time like I had hoped. We cannot merely sneak up on people like we did in 02. Although I did not see Ghana v. Italy, I am afraid USA may finish last in their group.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I think you oversimplify things a little bit piksi, we did advance in 1994 and 2002 with less than stellar play in group play (we had a few draws and losses in games we should have won) but it required two monumental upsets to advance. The biggest problem with today was that we absolutely dropped a turd out there and even winning the next two games may not compensate for it.

CONCACAF isn't the joke it used to be either even though they're still well behind Europe and South America. Plus with the unprecedented amount of Americans now playing overseas and all the friendlies the national team plays against good South American and European teams its not like they had no clue what they'd be facing today.

in 1994 USA was seeded as a host nation. In 2002 - extremely lucky and also the climate is hard on european countries (humidity). USA has never won a game in a competition on european soil. 8 losses with 4-23 goal difference.

CONCACAF is a joke because none of those countries and that includes even Mexico would ever qualify if they had to play in Europe. Russia, Turkey, Belgium, Danemark, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria etc did not even make it. I consider all of those teams being better than USA

Frendlies - just like NBA preseason - means absolutely nothing. Nobody plays hard in frendlies because nobody wants to get hurt mainly because players are making money playing club soccer and the contracts are very performance dependend

As for USA players playing in Europe - none of them really matters. Just look at Pavel Nedved. Even being 34 - he is more valuable than the whole USA team. Milan Baros didn't even play.
 
piksi said:
in 1994 USA was seeded as a host nation. In 2002 - extremely lucky and also the climate is hard on european countries (humidity). USA has never won a game in a competition on european soil. 8 losses with 4-23 goal difference.

CONCACAF is a joke because none of those countries and that includes even Mexico would ever qualify if they had to play in Europe. Russia, Turkey, Belgium, Danemark, Greece, Romania, Bulgaria etc did not even make it. I consider all of those teams being better than USA

Frendlies - just like NBA preseason - means absolutely nothing. Nobody plays hard in frendlies because nobody wants to get hurt mainly because players are making money playing club soccer and the contracts are very performance dependend

As for USA players playing in Europe - none of them really matters. Just look at Pavel Nedved. Even being 34 - he is more valuable than the whole USA team. Milan Baros didn't even play.

Dude, it's soccer. You can't lay such a downer as if it was basketball. ;)

Oh, wait, yes you can - you're piksi. :)
 
Luckily, I don't understand 99.3% of what piksi just said, so I can continue to root for my home team...

;)
 
i think brazil is going to win it all..... its a shame i cant watch the game tomorrow... i have to be at work :(
 
heyja

I'm really surprised that there are U.S that like football (or soccer?^^)

Even here in Freiburg the people go crazy and there's a lot partying

No way USA can win against CZE or ITA.

GOGO GERMANY

In 3 weeks me and my class go to Berlin for 1 week (during both semi finals) ;)
 
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Bad news for Serbian fans. Vidic injured his knee and will sit out rest of the World Cup (which after that news is probably only 2 more games) :(
 
vj9999 said:
Bad news for Serbian fans. Vidic injured his knee and will sit out rest of the World Cup (which after that news is probably only 2 more games) :(

You knever know but it doesn't look good at the moment
 
Scoreless again
France extends World Cup goal drought, ties Swiss


STUTTGART, Germany (AP) -- France still can't score in the World Cup.

The star-studded French were held to a 0-0 tie by Switzerland on Tuesday, bringing back memories of their horrid World Cup 2002 performance, when Les Bleus were knocked out in the first round without finding the net.

The last time the French scored in a World Cup game was when they beat Brazil 3-0 in the 1998 final at Stade de France. They lost 1-0 to Senegal and 2-0 to Denmark at the 2002 championship and were held 0-0 by Uruguay.

The Swiss also held the French to draws in qualifying games and this result could have been even worse for Raymond Domenech's team.

"We know that team all too well," Domenech said. "It's the sort of match we expected. We could have beaten them in the first half, they could have won the match in the second half."

"This was a high-level match from both teams."

Alexander Frei had a wonderful chance to win it for the Swiss when he leaped to meet a free kick from Ludovic Magnin. Instead of heading the ball, the striker tried to punch it home from 3 yards and was given a yellow card for cheating.

"We knew it would not be easy, but we managed to take two points off a direct rival," Domenech said of the one point the Swiss got instead of three for a win. "I regret that we did not score when had the chance, but we are always at the mercy of these things. The refereeing was not always understandable, even though it is top-level refereeing. It's a shame, but we have to put up with it."

Despite being forced to play as a lone striker, Thierry Henry came close with three shots and a header in the first half, while Zinedine Zidane's deft touches set up the best French moves.

But the Swiss almost went ahead in the 23rd minute when Tranquillo Barnetta fired a free kick into the goal area, Philippe Senderos and Alexander Frei both failed to get a touch in front of goal and the ball struck the post.

Fabien Barthez, one of five current French World Cup players who were on the 1998 winning squad, rescued Les Bleus with a near-post block to keep out a header from Swiss substitute Daniel Gygax in the 65th minute.

"I can live with the draw," Frei said. "What is positive is that we won a point. It's no coincidence that in all the qualification games the French played with one (defensive midfielder), and today with two. It's a sign that they treat us with respect."

France coach Raymond Domenech gave Henry some help by sending on Manchester United striker Louis Saha with 20 minutes to go but, with Zidane fading and Patrick Vieira badly off form, the French remained goalless.

Domenech left Juventus striker David Trezeguet on the bench throughout the game and his other striker, Vikash Dhorasoo, almost snatched victory with two minutes to go.

Zidane and Saha set up the opening and the forward struck a well-timed low shot that flashed past the far post.

Henry was a big disappointment. He headed over the crossbar in the fifth minute and also fired two weak shots at goalkeeper Pascal Zuberbuehler as the French opened up the Swiss defense.

Franck Ribery had a shot blocked by the left hand of Patrick Mueller, although it would have been harsh to give a penalty kick against the Switzerland defender.

"Once again the referee didn't see it and it came at a moment in the match when we were really on top," Henry said. "I know that the rule is hand-to-ball, but if the ball hits the hand and it stops it going in, that should be a penalty."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/soccer/specials/world_cup/2006/06/13/france.tie/index.html
 
piksi said:
Frendlies - just like NBA preseason - means absolutely nothing. Nobody plays hard in frendlies because nobody wants to get hurt mainly because players are making money playing club soccer and the contracts are very performance dependend.

Nobody but the African nations, and Australia, I guess. They like to foul everybody pretty hard.

Ghana will probably beat USA for third place.

Ronaldinho is not at his best at the moment (his free kicks are AWFUL right now); in the final of the Champions League he played a relatively limited role. Kaka looks better at the moment (he just scored as well).
 
I was getting my oil changed and they had the Brazil match on there, in Spanish but it's not on ESPN 2 , are they showing it later or did I miss it?
I've loved Brazil since Pele days, yea I'm old I know;) and will continue to root for them.
 
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