Wolves Trade Randy Foye + Mike Miller for #5 Pick - Possibily Trading #5 + #6

VF21 said:
And what exactly would you like Petrie to be doing? Holding town hall meetings to talk about what the Kings want from the draft?

Petrie is tight-lipped. That doesn't mean he's not doing anything or that he doesn't have a plan in mind. It's real easy for people to be arm-chair GMs but sometimes this just gets ridiculous.

Disturbingly quiet? Do you have Petrie's phones tapped? Do you have access to his private files and know what his vision is?

I'd like some details as to what exactly you want him to be doing publicly - knowing full well it could jeopardize our chances of success.

And BTW? If you look closely, the only public worship of Rubio has come from THE SACRAMENTO BEE, especially Ailene Voisin who seems bound and determined to acquire the kid possibly for the flowery rhetoric she'll be able to sprew forth with alarming regularity.

We don't KNOW if the Kings are that sold on Rubio.
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I'm assuming your responding to me. Of course I don't expect Petrie to come out and tell everyone who he will draft. But given Petrie's history around draft night, and the fact that it appears(from the outside) that other teams are trying to me more aggresive, I am simply hoping Petrie has something in the works besides just waiting for whoever will be available at #4.

If you are accusing me of being an arm-chair gm, than I guess I am, along with you, and everyone else on this forum.
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I am just stating my opinion and am hoping there is more going on behind the scene than we know about. I WANT Petrie to be more active. No, that doesn't mean I expect him to come out a make public announcements, but we will find out in a few days if he was able to get something done.
 
NewArena said:
Memphis would never take that deal, the 18th pick is pretty useless in this particular draft.
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i dont think think the #5 and #18 is that crappy of an offer. i thought our #4 and the #23 could have gotten it done, but the way it shapes out im glad we didnt. with the 5 they still have a chance of either rubio, thabeet, harden, evans, flynn or whoever falls, as well as a good shot at another lottery player slipping. If rubio and thabeet are snubbing them, trading down isnt that horrible an idea. i highly doubt minny is dumb enuff to trade 5 and 6
 
The trade is pretty fair.

The Wizards are a win now team and this is a great trade for them.

Miller and Foye will solidy their backcourt which was pretty bad last season.
And with Flip at the healm, I expect the Wizards at least a 2nd round in the playoff with just this lineup alone.

As for the Wolves, this is a pretty sneaky move that will actually speed up their rebuilding. Four picks in the first round is more than enough to end a rebuilding. Plus they get Thomas and Pecherov that will be good rotation bigs for their undersized frontline. It also increases their chances to either get a Thabeet or Rubio. And with the abundance of guards in this draft, it's a wise enough decision to let go of Miller and Foye.
 
Minnesota is not going to offer #5 and #6 for the #2 but they may offer #5 #18 for the #2 but if yall offered #4 and #23 yall would have a better chance to get the #2 then Minnesota because Memphis wants Tyreke Evans and he will most likely not be there at #5
 
rainmaker said:
I'm assuming your responding to me. Of course I don't expect Petrie to come out and tell everyone who he will draft. But given Petrie's history around draft night, and the fact that it appears(from the outside) that other teams are trying to me more aggresive, I am simply hoping Petrie has something in the works besides just waiting for whoever will be available at #4.

If you are accusing me of being an arm-chair gm, than I guess I am, along with you, and everyone else on this forum.
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I am just stating my opinion and am hoping there is more going on behind the scene than we know about. I WANT Petrie to be more active. No, that doesn't mean I expect him to come out a make public announcements, but we will find out in a few days if he was able to get something done.
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Sorry if I went a bit nuts there for a minute but it just frustrates me to no end to see the "Petrie needs to be more active" comments. My main objection is that we're basing our impressions on end results and that leaves a big gap in our information.

For every successful deal in the NBA, I'm pretty sure there are any number that were proposed but didn't work out for one reason or another. I do know that Petrie was very busy last year on draft day, trying to find a way to move us up but that he simply couldn't get any takers without giving away pieces he did not want to lose.

Not seeing results doesn't mean every effort wasn't made to obtain them.

:)
 
funkykingston said:
IMO Geoff's biggest sin was in waiting so long to finally decide to rebuild. He wasted years trying to retool on the fly when it seemed incredibly obvious that this team was going to have to get very bad before it could get good again. And I have no problem with people criticizing a number of Petrie's moves over that time span.

But regardless of how we got here, the fact is that right now this team doesn't have the pieces to be a major player on draft night unless they are willing to move KMart or (god forbid) JT and/or Hawes.

Either way, I don't see this team being able to make any kind of move to reverse their fortunes in the near term. I'd be surprised if the Kings don't have a top 5 pick again next year. And that's not the worst thing in the world. We could be Portland - accumulating young, talented players or we could be Boston - parlaying that young talent and another top 5 pick to trade for vets the way they did with Garnett and Allen.

But the bottom line is that everyone clamoring for big moves needs to remember that (1) right now we don't have the ammunition and (2) this team is going to be bad next year too.
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Pretty much sums up how I've felt about the state of affairs for a while. Seems to be getting ignored in this tread, but a great post.
 
Trade 4+23+31 for 5+6 right away, hell yes, do it! Then the Wolves can trade 4+18+23 for 2 or 3. Damn it, wheres Geoff? Get on it!
 
VF21 said:
Sorry if I went a bit nuts there for a minute but it just frustrates me to no end to see the "Petrie needs to be more active" comments. My main objection is that we're basing our impressions on end results and that leaves a big gap in our information.

For every successful deal in the NBA, I'm pretty sure there are any number that were proposed but didn't work out for one reason or another. I do know that Petrie was very busy last year on draft day, trying to find a way to move us up but that he simply couldn't get any takers without giving away pieces he did not want to lose.

Not seeing results doesn't mean every effort wasn't made to obtain them.

:)
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Well, those pieces he didn't want to lose lead us to the worst season in franchise history.....

Why does no one point to the fact that we are clamoring for a "point guard" but Petrie gave our point guard of the future a 35 million $$ contract last off season??

Point guards are pretty much overrated in the NBA anymore and it takes someone who can create their own shot off the dribble to be succesful. Evans is the clear choice.....
 
can anyone help me find the gif. file that has the Kings card being pulled out for the #4 pick and webbers reaction on it?
 
Ryle said:
Point guards are pretty much overrated in the NBA anymore and it takes someone who can create their own shot off the dribble to be succesful. Evans is the clear choice.....
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I agree that to be really successful in the nba you need a guy who can create for himself, but I don't think that pg's are overrated. If we had a good pg last year, we might have won 30+ games. I don't think a good pg will carry a team a champoinship, but pg play is very important when you get into the playoffs. Most of the teams that advance in the playoffs have very good pg's.
 
Vlade4GM said:
There are plenty of NBA 2's who are ball dominant, doesn't mean they're selfish. What the Kings need is to get the BPA at their pick, period. Also, Martin score well off the ball so him and Evans don't necessarily conflict based off the premise that Evans is ball dominant.
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And from what we saw of Martin's ballhandling last year, the more he doesn't have the ball, the better.
 
funkykingston said:
IMO Geoff's biggest sin was in waiting so long to finally decide to rebuild. He wasted years trying to retool on the fly when it seemed incredibly obvious that this team was going to have to get very bad before it could get good again. And I have no problem with people criticizing a number of Petrie's moves over that time span.

But regardless of how we got here, the fact is that right now this team doesn't have the pieces to be a major player on draft night unless they are willing to move KMart or (god forbid) JT and/or Hawes.

Either way, I don't see this team being able to make any kind of move to reverse their fortunes in the near term. I'd be surprised if the Kings don't have a top 5 pick again next year. And that's not the worst thing in the world. We could be Portland - accumulating young, talented players or we could be Boston - parlaying that young talent and another top 5 pick to trade for vets the way they did with Garnett and Allen.

But the bottom line is that everyone clamoring for big moves needs to remember that (1) right now we don't have the ammunition and (2) this team is going to be bad next year too.
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Couldn't agree more. The good thing is that Petrie is good at drafting players. The fact that the Maloofs are cash poor may actually play into the long term success of the Kings, because new draftees are a heckuva lot more inexpensive than FAs. That means they will probably be in the lottery longer, but that also may mean Petrie can get some major talent over then next couple of years and really build a powerhouse.
 
Petrie - the Draft Dodger

VF21 said:
Sorry if I went a bit nuts there for a minute but it just frustrates me to no end to see the "Petrie needs to be more active" comments. My main objection is that we're basing our impressions on end results and that leaves a big gap in our information.

For every successful deal in the NBA, I'm pretty sure there are any number that were proposed but didn't work out for one reason or another. I do know that Petrie was very busy last year on draft day, trying to find a way to move us up but that he simply couldn't get any takers without giving away pieces he did not want to lose.

Not seeing results doesn't mean every effort wasn't made to obtain them.

:)
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Well, I can understand fans irritation at Petrie sometimes. He's good at drafting players, but he rarely accumulates #1 picks (the Artest deal would be the one exception I can think of). He's a reluctant drafter as I see it. And he's never traded up in the draft. Not once. Sometimes you have to trade up to get a guy who is special, and that just isn't in Petrie's vocabulary it seems.
 
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