Wolves Trade Randy Foye + Mike Miller for #5 Pick - Possibily Trading #5 + #6

Bricklayer said:
As I mentioned in the other thread: crap.

Great deal for the Wizards BTW -- they had no need of a draft pick, and now they have their big three, Haywood coming back, the young bigs, Mike Miller and Randy Foye, and a new major league coach. That's a hell of a lot of talent if they decide to keep it all together. And did it while shedding Songaila's anvil as well.

I'm not as sold on Minny's angle. Getting the #5 was great, but giving up Foye to do it...in this draft is that #5 alone going to be as good as Foye?
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I think Minny goes for a PG/SG combo. They clear out what was an uncoventional backcourt and get a traditional PG and SG. Maybe Flynn/Harden.
 
Vlade4GM said:
Not a PG = selfish?
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Not Rubio... He isn't the best shooter out there and he knows this. His shots per game aren't even close to him hogging the ball trying to create for himself.

But we aren't getting Rubio, and we aren't drafting Evans so it's moot.
 
Gary said:
Not Rubio... He isn't the best shooter out there and he knows this. His shots per game aren't even close to him hogging the ball trying to create for himself.

But we aren't getting Rubio, and we aren't drafting Evans so it's moot.
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So in your scenario we don't get the best two guards on the board right now, who do we get?


Minnesota is making a big splash and they have alot of options now... They doing this to go through with the Love + 6? Do they adjust that 6 to a 5 to force Memphis to bite? Do they trade both picks to Memphis so Memphis will get players who want to actually play in their city? Where is GP btw? I thought rumors were he was going to be aggressive!
 
Gary said:
Not Rubio... He isn't the best shooter out there and he knows this. His shots per game aren't even close to him hogging the ball trying to create for himself.

But we aren't getting Rubio, and we aren't drafting Evans so it's moot.
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And you know this how?
 
=LarryLegend= said:
Maybe the Kings can work out a deal evans for the 5th and 6th. Pull a laker on memphis.

I am not a fan of Evans, I will be pissed if Geoff picks a guy that needs a ball in his hands all the time like Salmons/Artest.
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This just never ceases to amaze me.

Whenever someone doesn't like a particular player, why is it they have to act as though he has no skills, no potential, etc?

Tyreke Evans is NOT a ball-hog from any reports I've heard. He works hard, he's got tons of potential and he might end up being a truly solid guard. If we end up getting him I'm not going to be lighting torches for a march on Arco.

Stating preferences is one thing but this is just getting kind of silly, IMHO.

/rant
 
TFA

"The Wolves would then keep the draft pick and their own selection at No. 6 and not try to package those to move up, a source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz."

Doesn't seem to affect our shot at Rubio.
 
Bricklayer said:
I'm not as sold on Minny's angle. Getting the #5 was great, but giving up Foye to do it...in this draft is that #5 alone going to be as good as Foye?
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simpy put no

coming out of college Foye >> better than anyone who could be chosen @ #5 today

and if your going to use the "Combo Guard" argument the same can be said of Curry as they are very similiar(except Foye is more athletic and strong) and Curry is a better shooter.

who will they end up giving with the #5? Jennings? Flynn? Evans?
 
the 2 for 5 and 6 i think its memphis who is offering that deal.. not minn

i mean rubio can be good.. but hes not worth 5 and 6. why trade up with two top 10s when you can possibly get jennings, curry, flynn or who ever (take your pick) and with the possibility of landing thabeet...

jefferson needs to be moved though.. maybe stoudamire for jefferson and 5th?
 
Even if Minn doesn't trade up, I want Petrie to be a little more active or aggresive, either term will work. We can't afford to be passive after winning 17 games. Petire has always been tight-lipped, but everything is disturbingly quiet on the Kings side of things.
 
rainmaker said:
Even if Minn doesn't trade up, I want Petrie to be a little more active or aggresive, either term will work. We can't afford to be passive after winning 17 games. Petire has always been tight-lipped, but everything is disturbingly quiet on the Kings side of things.
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I do as well, I think it's time for smokescreen time and being passive to be over with. Turn the heat on Memphis as they see their potential trade partners shrink (Unless Minny does this to do 5 + Love). If they're that much higher on rubio then the rest of the field they should show it instead of sitting around hoping things go well. Too much complacency for me right now and in draft years past.

And when I say show it, i mean get them to verbally commit to a trade! I'd prefer not sit around anymore and bank on "hope".
 
And what exactly would you like Petrie to be doing? Holding town hall meetings to talk about what the Kings want from the draft?

Petrie is tight-lipped. That doesn't mean he's not doing anything or that he doesn't have a plan in mind. It's real easy for people to be arm-chair GMs but sometimes this just gets ridiculous.

Disturbingly quiet? Do you have Petrie's phones tapped? Do you have access to his private files and know what his vision is?

I'd like some details as to what exactly you want him to be doing publicly - knowing full well it could jeopardize our chances of success.

And BTW? If you look closely, the only public worship of Rubio has come from THE SACRAMENTO BEE, especially Ailene Voisin who seems bound and determined to acquire the kid possibly for the flowery rhetoric she'll be able to sprew forth with alarming regularity.

We don't KNOW if the Kings are that sold on Rubio.
 
VF21 said:
This just never ceases to amaze me.

Whenever someone doesn't like a particular player, why is it they have to act as though he has no skills, no potential, etc?

Tyreke Evans is NOT a ball-hog from any reports I've heard. He works hard, he's got tons of potential and he might end up being a truly solid guard. If we end up getting him I'm not going to be lighting torches for a march on Arco.

Stating preferences is one thing but this is just getting kind of silly, IMHO.

/rant
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Thank you
 
VF21 said:
And what exactly would you like Petrie to be doing? Holding town hall meetings to talk about what the Kings want from the draft?

Petrie is tight-lipped. That doesn't mean he's not doing anything or that he doesn't have a plan in mind. It's real easy for people to be arm-chair GMs but sometimes this just gets ridiculous.

Disturbingly quiet? Do you have Petrie's phones tapped? Do you have access to his private files and know what his vision is?

I'd like some details as to what exactly you want him to be doing publicly - knowing full well it could jeopardize our chances of success.
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You're right, we don't know what's going on - but people are allowed to have their opinions on this subject based on previous years where we make no real splashes in the draft.

Also, if we're here to speculate on what we know/don't know we can only base it off the most recent information from JR earlier of the Kings not trying to move up into the #2... Smokescreen or not - it is what we have to go off of currently...
 
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VF21 said:
And what exactly would you like Petrie to be doing? Holding town hall meetings to talk about what the Kings want from the draft?

Petrie is tight-lipped. That doesn't mean he's not doing anything or that he doesn't have a plan in mind. It's real easy for people to be arm-chair GMs but sometimes this just gets ridiculous.

Disturbingly quiet? Do you have Petrie's phones tapped? Do you have access to his private files and know what his vision is?

I'd like some details as to what exactly you want him to be doing publicly - knowing full well it could jeopardize our chances of success.

And BTW? If you look closely, the only public worship of Rubio has come from THE SACRAMENTO BEE, especially Ailene Voisin who seems bound and determined to acquire the kid possibly for the flowery rhetoric she'll be able to sprew forth with alarming regularity.

We don't KNOW if the Kings are that sold on Rubio.
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no one knows what he is thinking hes a ninja

nin-geoff!!

all i know is the draft will be interesting
 
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Nighthawk1 said:
So in your scenario we don't get the best two guards on the board right now, who do we get?


Minnesota is making a big splash and they have alot of options now... They doing this to go through with the Love + 6? Do they adjust that 6 to a 5 to force Memphis to bite? Do they trade both picks to Memphis so Memphis will get players who want to actually play in their city? Where is GP btw? I thought rumors were he was going to be aggressive!
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I would be OK with Flynn.
 
I just don't see why they would do this. i mean foye was a great player, its like they are rebuilding their rebuilding effort. strange, even without mchale they are making dimwitted moves.
 
I don't see Minny holding pat with 5 and 6, I think there is some sort of another deal looming here...

Or at least moving their 2 later picks.
 
I actually think this helps us. Kahn has pretty much just put his future as a GM out there to be decided by how his picks turn out, and shouldn't be willing to just settle, plus he has both the 18 and 26 picks to work with. With us sitting there at 4th, it gives us leverage if the Wolves actually have their hopes on one of Thabeet or Harden falling to them, who IMO are the two best fits for that team. Considering that the Kings don't seem to be interested in either of those guys, it would be an easy chance to get a pick from them or move up from the 23 to 18 or something, and allow Minny to pick once before us to ensure they get their guy, with no real downside from our end.
 
Nighthawk1 said:
I do as well, I think it's time for smokescreen time and being passive to be over with. Turn the heat on Memphis as they see their potential trade partners shrink (Unless Minny does this to do 5 + Love). If they're that much higher on rubio then the rest of the field they should show it instead of sitting around hoping things go well. Too much complacency for me right now and in draft years past.

And when I say show it, i mean get them to verbally commit to a trade! I'd prefer not sit around anymore and bank on "hope".
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I agree with VF21's comments and I'd add - commit to a trade for what? Who are the Kings offering to move up two spots in the draft? I can pretty much guarantee that Donte Greene won't come close to getting it done. And I can't fathom Memphis being interested in Beno, Noc, or Cisco and their contracts. So who does that leave? Would you trade Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes or Kevin Martin (who I don't see Memphis wanting anyway) to move up two spots?

Maybe, MAYBE they'd listen to an offer of Kenny Thomas' expiring deal if the Kings took back a terrible contract like Marco Jaric. It would have the added bonus of seeing Adrianna Lima cruising around town, but again I'm not sure Memphis goes for it.

And that's it. Those are all the assets the Kings currently have. We aren't Portland - full of young talent or even the Warriors with extra pieces to deal. The Kings simply don't have the firepower to start wheeling and dealing in this draft unless they are willing to part ways with Martin or the young bigs. The former I'm not opposed to for the right price. The latter I'd really rather avoid unless a knockout deal comes along.
 
Umm.. Foye>McCants, Miller>Greene

Why would they take our inferior deal?

wonjaeyou said:
Wizards are so stupid. Foye is a bust from the beginning, Mike Miller isn't worth #5pick. Not even close. Maybe like #20 pick. If we knew Wizards are dumb as hell, then we should have offered mccants and Greene for #5pick.
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mr. moustache said:
Umm.. Foye>McCants, Miller>Greene

Why would they take our inferior deal?
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I'm also interested in how we could trade McCants when he's a free agent.

And irony of ironies - Mike Miller WAS the #5 pick, back in 2000. That draft had just as many people calling it weak as this one does now.
 
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funkykingston said:
I agree with VF21's comments and I'd add - commit to a trade for what? Who are the Kings offering to move up two spots in the draft? I can pretty much guarantee that Donte Greene won't come close to getting it done. And I can't fathom Memphis being interested in Beno, Noc, or Cisco and their contracts. So who does that leave? Would you trade Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes or Kevin Martin (who I don't see Memphis wanting anyway) to move up two spots?

Maybe, MAYBE they'd listen to an offer of Kenny Thomas' expiring deal if the Kings took back a terrible contract like Marco Jaric. It would have the added bonus of seeing Adrianna Lima cruising around town, but again I'm not sure Memphis goes for it.

And that's it. Those are all the assets the Kings currently have. We aren't Portland - full of young talent or even the Warriors with extra pieces to deal. The Kings simply don't have the firepower to start wheeling and dealing in this draft unless they are willing to part ways with Martin or the young bigs. The former I'm not opposed to for the right price. The latter I'd really rather avoid unless a knockout deal comes along.
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I can kind of get that argument but at what point does Geoff get held accountable for his lack of meaningful activity. He compiled this roster so he either did a poor job with that or he's doing a poor job of turning it into something meaningful. I'm as huge a Kings fan as anyone but at some point, watching almost every other team in the league push, negotiate, experiment etc. to improve while we slowly fade away is really disheartening. Time for Geoff to either $&@$ or get off the pot because the smell is getting old.
 
VF21 said:
This just never ceases to amaze me.

Whenever someone doesn't like a particular player, why is it they have to act as though he has no skills, no potential, etc?

Tyreke Evans is NOT a ball-hog from any reports I've heard. He works hard, he's got tons of potential and he might end up being a truly solid guard. If we end up getting him I'm not going to be lighting torches for a march on Arco.

Stating preferences is one thing but this is just getting kind of silly, IMHO.

/rant
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wow, did I ever say he doesnt have skills? to me he isnt going to be a point guard. Kings need a point. He scored 17 pts avg. he can play. but pg in the pros.... i dont see it.
 
IMO Geoff's biggest sin was in waiting so long to finally decide to rebuild. He wasted years trying to retool on the fly when it seemed incredibly obvious that this team was going to have to get very bad before it could get good again. And I have no problem with people criticizing a number of Petrie's moves over that time span.

But regardless of how we got here, the fact is that right now this team doesn't have the pieces to be a major player on draft night unless they are willing to move KMart or (god forbid) JT and/or Hawes.

Either way, I don't see this team being able to make any kind of move to reverse their fortunes in the near term. I'd be surprised if the Kings don't have a top 5 pick again next year. And that's not the worst thing in the world. We could be Portland - accumulating young, talented players or we could be Boston - parlaying that young talent and another top 5 pick to trade for vets the way they did with Garnett and Allen.

But the bottom line is that everyone clamoring for big moves needs to remember that (1) right now we don't have the ammunition and (2) this team is going to be bad next year too.
 
I see a #5 + #18 + taking a bad contract from Memphis as the more likely scenario.

At any rate, the T-Wolves are for sure working on a two-for-one. You just don't acquire four first round picks in one draft. I'm sure they've learn from the Kings that it's not a good idea.
 
beb0p said:
I see a #5 + #18 + taking a bad contract from Memphis as the more likely scenario.

At any rate, the T-Wolves are for sure working on a two-for-one. You just don't acquire four first round picks in one draft. I'm sure they've learn from the Kings that it's not a good idea.
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Memphis would never take that deal, the 18th pick is pretty useless in this particular draft.
 
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