Why Webber get booed

zip95843 · Nov 24, 2004

Here are interesting facts about these winning streak.

The best player in my mind:
Phoenix - Webber,
Denver - Miller,
Chicago - Peja,
Memphis - Webber,
Milwaukee - Miller,
Houston - Peja (no matter what anybody says, I give Peja an A for this game, he carried the team three qtrs)

Do you see the pattern? I say next game it would be Webber again...

crypticone · Nov 24, 2004

sloter said:

I understand what you are saying. However, it is not classy to boo someone for simply having an off night shooting the basketball. There is a huge difference between being human and being inhumane.

Heuge · Nov 24, 2004

crypticone said:

Agreed.
Until recently Sacramento fans were head and shoulders above the rest of the league. Classiest and best fans in the nba. While I still think they are the best, the gap has tightened considerably. This booing crap has tarnished our image as great fans.

Insomniacal Fan · Nov 24, 2004

I don't care about our reputation, I care about the ******* sitting next to me at the game, booing our own players, ruining my enjoyment of the game.

Insomniacal Fan · Nov 24, 2004

Oh come on, Brad gets to say *******, and he's tall! He's a role model!

piksi · Nov 24, 2004

It comes with the teritory. When You make so much money and when Your lips are quicker than Your brain - You have to perform.( + of court stuff which "surprisingly"does bother some people) If You do not - fans will let You know. Chris Webber is way too talented to have a 3-17 game. He just might not be smart enough. If You are a selfproclaimed teamleader - You have to put Your EGO second. You have to lead the team before making sure You take Your shots.

crypticone · Nov 24, 2004

piksi said:

Unfortunatly, I have to agree with you except for saying that Webb is not smart enough. A lot of times he may take way to many shots when he is having an off night but a lot of times I see someone struggling and it takes one made shot to get you going. How else are you going to know if you are out of a slump unless you try. As far as the off the court stuff, I agree that this may bother some people. However, when Kobe was going through his personal issues last year I saw nothing but support from the Laker fans. I just wish our fans could be just as supportive of our players no matter what.

bibbyweb · Nov 24, 2004

crypticone said:

Great point. When we had the Kings v/s Lakers game in Fresno, I overheard the a conversation abt Kobe during the half time. A lady was asking another one if she forgives him and she said yes she does. And that is for a rapist. The crowd was whole-heartedly behind the Lakers. But the Kings fans won't forgive Webber for his mistakes.

bibbyweb · Nov 24, 2004

peja16 said:

I like Brad Miller, but he is definitely not a better passer than Webber. Not that we should be comparing the two. Webber not only has numbers to support this, but the passes he makes are also beautiful to watch. And Webber does pass to players other than Bibby. In fact he has made some really good passes to Peja that were worth remembering. Also if he is making more passes to Bibby what's wrong with that. Bibby is as good a shooter as anyone on this team especially when it really matters.

Elektrik · Nov 24, 2004

I don't know where this is coming from. all this booing of Webber stuff. As far as I remember Webber was booed in 1 game last year after just coming back from surgery. One that he was jacking up shots left and right trying to find his rhythem. Bad shots. Ill advised shots. This year, he is coming back from potentially a carreer ending injury. He has had 1 of only a few triple doubles in the league this season and been close on 2 or 3 others. Yes, he's had a couple of off nights but so what. Expect him to have rough nights once in a while, especially after a cluster of games. I saw the game last night and his shots just were not falling. He took no bad shots. They just didn't go in. He was wide open and I'll take Chris Webber shooting open jump shots all night long. I say cut the guy a little slack. He is playing as well as I hoped he would. In fact, he is playing better. He is doing a lot of everything. I admire his grit for playing as well as he can. Get used to not seeing the Webber of old. The old Webber probably will not be seen again. This is as good as it is going to get from him. He may not have the physical athletic part of his game anymore but he is playing a lot smarter than ever before and I predict that as soon as he finds that happy medium of what he can and cannot do he will be Mr. consistent. For now, anyone that would boo him is just ignorant of what has gone on with him.

bballagrl24 · Nov 24, 2004

did they boo him last nite?

love_them_kings · Nov 24, 2004

bballagrl24 said:

I wasn't at the game, but I heard that he was booed last night. Which I think is ridiculous. To me, booing is only warranted if someone isn't putting in the effort. When Webber is playing hard but the shots aren't falling, I think that booing is completely counterproductive. If anything, it's going to take his concentration away from the game and onto the small (or maybe not so small ) percentage of fans with whom he can never win unless he's perfect, every night. It hurts him, it hurts the team, and I don't see what any "Fan" could hope to accomplish.

I'm also sick of the argument that he should always play well because he gets paid so much. Salary is irrevelant at this point. All anyone can do is play their hardest, and I believe Webb does that. Some nights he doesn't make all the best choices, other nights he carries the team. I'm not perfect every day at work, and I don't expect I would be even if I was paid millions of dollars a year (although I wouldn't mind trying!)

Personsally I want all the Kings to play well, and to play well together. Until someone can convince me that booing can be constructive for the good of the team, I will continue to consider it an ill advised way to relieve the disappointment we all feel when any of the Kings play badly.

bibbyweb · Nov 24, 2004

sloter said:

Other than the last season, I would never call Webber 's FG% dismal. And this season has just started.

Mad D · Nov 24, 2004

love_them_kings said:

oh and for fans going with the argument ''I paid for his salary so I have the right to boo'' that is no longer true anymore. The ticket price pays for the utilities of the arena, the salaries of the players are now paid by commercial and TV rights.

1kingzfan · Nov 24, 2004

It's truly amazing that this booing thing is still going on and being discussed.

Webb was booed in 2 games last year and once this year, last night. I was in attendance at all 3 games, and it is apparent to all that the boobirds are way, way, way in the minority. Last night I would characterize the audio as just a smattering of boos. So, those of you that understand the ridiculously simple concept that booing your own is counter-productive and worry about the Arco crowd "turning", well, don't worry. The majority of fans still understand and will thus continue to have a positive influence on team performance down the road, as they have in the past.

And to those of you that want to continue to boo Webber when he misses 4 elbow shots in a row, why don't you emerge from your hypocritical inner self and boo BoJax when he constantly never runs the offense and jacks up wild shots...boo Peja for continually missing all those easy chippies (hey, ya'll should be crying for Peja to do the opposite of CWebb: "Take it outside, Peja...don't shoot that twisting reverse layup!!!"

Oh, that's right, Peja and Bobby don't make as much money as Chris, so that changes EVERYTHING, doesn't it? There is a salary level that grants you boo-immunity with some. That makes total sense.

What is crystal clear from this thread and others related to booing I have read and participated in over the last year is this...there are clearly two kinds of fans: true fans and those that only care about slipping on a t-shirt that says their team won something.

The former love their team and players unconditionally, and believe in the quality of the team management, coaching staff, and players themselves that the proper adjustments will be made when things are not going in the optimum direction. The latter are characterized by hypernegativity and fault-finding, even during the winning streaks and good times, and they always carry the banner of being a pragmatist. They also tend to show their true colors that they have developed "personal" feelings about someone or some thing that may have nothing to do with the game of basketball. The latter group also clearly does not have nearly as much FUN as the former group.

I'm in the former group, and I can't imagine ever going over to the dark side.

JB_kings · Nov 24, 2004

I don't know if I would use the word "classy" to define a fan who would not boo their own team's player. I would however use "intelligent" or "wise". Since there seems to be pretty good evidence that booing your own player has a negative effect on the whole team, it's pretty much a given that this is a bad idea. Since the whole point of playing a basketball game is that there should be a winner, then I kind of want my team to win.

Entity · Nov 24, 2004

sloter said:

But to priase a guy all along thus far in a season then for 1 game start booing that my friend is ignorant. Do ppl really expect a triple double everynight. If any player could put up 31pts 13reb and 7ast every night that person would be the MVP. did ppl boo Peja for going 3-15 earlier this year. nope. I got news for you all so you can get ready. Webber will have another bad game. as will Bibby, Miller, Peja, Bobby, and Doug. Oh and guess what Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett will also have Bad games. As will Kobe, Shaq, Even Michael Jordan had bad games more than 1 a season. Its like this If it wasn't for Webber i garun-damn-tee you that we wouldn't be over .500 right now.

Entity · Nov 24, 2004

WE have had numerous threads praising Webber all year. Its funny to me i see nothing bad about him then untill this game. I don't hear from alot of these posters until Webber has an off night. Its been almost 3 weeks since the seasons start and this is the first we hear of them. By my calculations we should have to suffer throught the ignorance aobut 6 more times this season. I love the way he shuts ppl up with All-Star Like performances for 3 weeks. Somebody else mentioned before about us actually winning the game. HaHa thats precious. Lets say Webber goes on to win the MVP and in the last game of the NBA Finals the Kings win by 15 points but Webber goes 3-17 , will ppl boo him then or what how does that work?

gixxerR6 · Nov 25, 2004

man i tell you what i can't stand webber when he forces those shots somtimes i think he does it on perpouse and its the coaches fault not taking him out in some games C Webb plays like a superStar he used to be. Somtimes he is just so awful not becuase he has a bad shooting night, but becuase he keeps should and ball haugs.

Kingsgurl · Nov 25, 2004

Players have bad shooting nights all the time. Bobby J has had a bad shooting STRETCH. He is a PG who is supposed to distribute the ball, but he was trying to shoot himself out of his slump. I didn't hear anyone booing him. Nor do I see posts about how people hate it when he dominates the ball, or turns the offense into a one man show.
All players have their good and bad traits. All players have their good and bad nights. No player deserves to try to play their way out of a bad game with their home town crowd seemingly against them, not when you supposedly have the best fans in basketball behind you. Sadly, I now see a very large contingent of those 'fans' ready to shove Chris under the bus at the slightest provocation.
You hate it when Chris doesn't play like the SuperStar he used to be? So, it's all good with you when he does play like that player of old? Or do you still hate it? Do you think he misses shots when they aren't falling just to vex you?

Mr. S£im Citrus · Nov 25, 2004

Kingsgurl said:

Players have bad shooting nights all the time. Bobby J has had a bad shooting STRETCH. He is a PG who is supposed to distribute the ball, but he was trying to shoot himself out of his slump. I didn't hear anyone booing him. Nor do I see posts about how people hate it when he dominates the ball, or turns the offense into a one man show...

Well, sloter maybe...

monk · Nov 25, 2004

Bricklayer said:

I think you hit the nail on the head. Ignorant fans think [insert homer player here] is better than Webber and they get angry when Webb's off and not deferring to the other player that is perceived as the better player anyway.

TGB20A5SI · Nov 25, 2004

I think he usually only gets boo'd when he decides that he's a guard and continues to shoot and miss 18 footers. It's one thing if he starts the game off hiting those shots; fine, then take them so long as you're hitting them. But I really hate when he'll continue to miss those all game long and continues taking them even towards crunch time. He needs to realize he's cold on the outside shot and take the ball to the hole like EVERY OTHER PF does in the league. He's a softy. I honestly dont care for Chris much anymore and I'm sure alot of it has to do with his injury but either way, do your job! We have enough jump shooters as it is; we dont need Webber taking shots just inside the arc. We need a player who can bang underneath and give a strong presence in the key. Can you imagine what we'd be able to do if we had a bang player like Rasheed or Ben Wallace? I would guarantee a championship team if we got Rasheed for Webber or Ben for Webber or one of those types of players who are really physical. Webber is less physical then my grandma after 3 margaritas over a Thanksgiving dinner

piksi · Nov 25, 2004

TGB20A5SI said:

Mad D · Nov 25, 2004

TGB20A5SI said:

I guess this is another reason fans boo, how messed up.

Bricklayer · Nov 25, 2004

TGB20A5SI said:

I think he usually only gets boo'd when he decides that he's a guard and continues to shoot and miss 18 footers. It's one thing if he starts the game off hiting those shots; fine, then take them so long as you're hitting them. But I really hate when he'll continue to miss those all game long and continues taking them even towards crunch time. He needs to realize he's cold on the outside shot and take the ball to the hole like EVERY OTHER PF does in the league. He's a softy. I honestly dont care for Chris much anymore and I'm sure alot of it has to do with his injury but either way, do your job! We have enough jump shooters as it is; we dont need Webber taking shots just inside the arc. We need a player who can bang underneath and give a strong presence in the key. Can you imagine what we'd be able to do if we had a bang player like Rasheed or Ben Wallace? I would guarantee a championship team if we got Rasheed for Webber or Ben for Webber or one of those types of players who are really physical. Webber is less physical then my grandma after 3 margaritas over a Thanksgiving dinner

You do realize that Sheed prefers to shoot thre pointers anymore and boards like Peja, and that Ben Wallace has very little offensive game of ANY sort and certainly can't pass or run an offense right?

Mad D · Nov 25, 2004

and i hope his definition of soft wasnt missing point blank layup/dunks and being afraid to get physical because that pretty much was are front court for years

Padrino · Nov 25, 2004

TGB20A5SI said:

people put far too much emphasis on webber as a scapegoat. it kinda irritates me. does webb take a lotta shots? yeah. is he capable of making them? hell yeah. lets face it, webb doesnt have the explosiveness or lift he used to have. he still gets in the paint, and he's working on his half-hooks, but he's not quick enough to just explode to the basket like "every other PF does in the league." webber is adopting some of vlade's game. when ya lose yer quickness, ya gotta become craftier and more versatile in other areas. i applaud webber thus far this season more than any other king. he's become out facilitator. he's running the offense, and doing it well. and, when ya see him take those 18 foot jumpers, there usually open shots. other times, ya need to not focus so much on webber, and look elsewhere. i dont know how many times ive seen the kings get taken out of their offense, and just stand around while webb has the ball. the rest of the team needs to keep moving. and when they dont, i know i'd prefer webber to shoot wide open from 18 feet then to drive into the lane uncontrollably. lets face it, the kings are a team that lives and dies by the jump shot. consider it a blessing that our big men can shoot from 15-18 feet, and not as some sort of disease.

sloter · Nov 25, 2004

Mr. S£im Citrus said:

Not booing, but criticizing for sure.
But I'm not sure ... that second unit is so horrible that the bad shots that Bobby takes are probably the best option.

webberfan · Nov 26, 2004

"The latter are characterized by hypernegativity and fault-finding, even during the winning streaks and good times, and they always carry the banner of being a pragmatist."

for the record, not all of us pessimists/prgmatists are boo-birds.

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