Oskor
Bench
Yes, yes and YES! Of course it depends on the crap we'd get back. But if the contracts weren't K9 style contracts I'd do it. But I see no reason for Clips to do it.
Why Not Trade Martin While His Value Is High?
- Thread starter fxhsurjono
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Yes, yes and YES! Of course it depends on the crap we'd get back. But if the contracts weren't K9 style contracts I'd do it. But I see no reason for Clips to do it.
Jespher
Starter
Depends on the garbage...No Zach Randolph!
kingsnation
All-Star
Not sure if I would, but if we had to, I only do it if we get Eric Gordon in return.
Donald Trump will admit he wears a toupee before the Clippers give up the #1 (Blake Griffin) AND Eric Gordon for Martin.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You have to convinced of Griffin's stardom for that type of move to make sense -- we alreayd have that position covered by youth, so unless Griffin is a big star, you are moving laterally at best.
Now if the Clippers dumped an ending contract on us as well, well then you are back playing the get a pick and then sign a big free agent game, whihc always has a chance of working for you.
Now if the Clippers dumped an ending contract on us as well, well then you are back playing the get a pick and then sign a big free agent game, whihc always has a chance of working for you.
ElRey
Starter
I agree with most people...there's no reason to trade Kevin Martin unless the right deal comes a long. However, Kevin should not be untouchable by any means. Kevin is one dimensional and he doesn't really win games for you. He's not much of a clutch or go-to guy either. He's more of a second tier star, the sidekick to your main player; like Peja was. But he is a good player with a reasonable contract, and he is not a "problem" player.
=LarryLegend=
Starter
Kevin is my favorite player, besides Thompson. I would be mad if kings traded Kmart, Thompson or Hawes. We need to develop within. I am tired of trading for another teams ****.
I said before last years draft I wanted Petrie to pick Thompson. dude in my eyes has the drive and talent to be a great player/foundation for our team.
I said before last years draft I wanted Petrie to pick Thompson. dude in my eyes has the drive and talent to be a great player/foundation for our team.
fxhsurjono
G-League
theres no way the clipps are giving us gordon and 1st for kmart...
well mayb it is dumbleavy and the clippers.
well mayb it is dumbleavy and the clippers.
http://m.si.com/news/archive/archive/detail/1511272/full
Look for #1 on the list of "most wasteful franchises" and there we'll be. $3.74M in payroll per win. After we dropped SAR, we went from 9th highest payroll in the NBA to somewhat below average, which was the first time we'd been to that region in a long time. But in terms of wins divided by payroll $, we're still at the very bottom of the NBA.
Agreed, $45M is the correct figure, even per hoopshype (after you deduct SAR's pay). My workload's been insane lately, and I made rushed & sloppy errors WRT next year's roster and pay.
A little, it makes it less likely that the Maloofs can break even this year, let alone pay back much to the NBA for this year's pecuniary shortfall. But the general gist is the same: we've had a severely overpaid team, but could have the lowest pay in the NBA next year. Even so, the franchise has a very long way to go before it's +.500 and/or out of the red, and out of the red is sure to be the top priority for now. I'm anticipating no major FA signings this year, and am starting to wonder whether the much-anticipated drop in payroll in summer 2010 will be any different.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Maybe I'm missing something here, but if I'm reading this correctly, it appears that on one hand, your criticizing the Kings for spending too much money. And then projecting that they won't spend money in the next two offseasons and criticizing them for that. At first I thought that you were criticizing them for who they spent the money on, which has more to do with bad decisions, than willingness to spend money. But then you seemed to turn it into willingness to spend money, which past history says that they are. So I guess I'm confused what your point is.
Maybe I'm missing something here, but if I'm reading this correctly, it appears that on one hand, your criticizing the Kings for spending too much money. And then projecting that they won't spend money in the next two offseasons and criticizing them for that. At first I thought that you were criticizing them for who they spent the money on, which has more to do with bad decisions, than willingness to spend money. But then you seemed to turn it into willingness to spend money, which past history says that they are. So I guess I'm confused what your point is.
In the past, I've regularly criticized the front office when I thought they were throwing away money. I was, for example, pretty critical of the size/length of Beno's contract, and the fact that Mikki got a contract at all. But I haven't ever been critical when I felt that they were getting a reasonable deal, like with Kevin's extension.
In the years that I've been posting here, I don't recall criticizing the Maloofs for not spending more. I think the last time they ticked me off in that way was when they scuttled the Scot/Hedo/Keon/Jim version of the bench mob. Trading/losing almost all of the other players from The Team was sad, but I saw all of those as either team-building or economic moves. Even the much-reviled Webber trade was somewhat effective as a cost-cutting measure. If they'd blown it up right then, and landed Chris Paul in the draft, who could complain? The failure to rebuild has been frustrating, and I think has cost them more in the long run.
Nor am I criticizing their frugality now, even if it means nothing in the 2010 FA market. If they can't afford it, they can't, and there's nothing blameworthy about it. Most of us are having a hard time with the economy, so we sort of HAVE to understand.
My point is that the franchise is out of money, and the Maloofs are probably really short WRT both liquidity and credit. Unless we have an almost miraculous rate of economic recovery, they may not be able to throw much money at the team for a while. The front office might need to learn to make a little go a long way. The Maloofs have been talking up the Princeton sort of game lately, one which can be fun to watch and (optionally) cheap to implement. Coincidence? Or logical companion to rebuilding primarily through the draft?
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Kevin obviously has quite a bit of market value, especially with his unique offensive efficiency (a guy who shoots threes well and gets to the line at will). He'll look really really good playing next to a guy who can lessen his load--he's the type of guy who can make cuts off the ball and just ratchet the easy points rather than having to force his way to get to the basket and bait the refs as we've seen way too many times this past season. That being said, though, we have to get more in return than Kevin's talent level, if we are to trade him--reason being that he's a homegrown player who we cultivated into a star, and he's just an all-around nice guy who has a good work ethic--our coaching staff and the fans can see that, and it's normally hard letting those players loose. I'd prefer to get an all-around player around him who can create offense for himself (that's why some have said Turkoglu is a good option) and see how he fares there, because I don't think it's fair to announce him to the block and actively pursue trades for him as of yet.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
As an aside, San Antonio's paper is reporting that the Wizards have made an offer to get Manu, which kind of answers that question -- they are defeintely looking for a veteran big $$ guy at that OG position with plans to win now, and for yet another scorer. Seems little doubt that the main bait they would be offering would be that #5, although I don't know what else they were offering as sweetener. Now Kevin is not Manu, and Manu has a better rounded game, but if Washington is looking to plug that hole, and plug it with a big $$ high scoring guy despite the three 20pt guys they already have, the possibility of them being interested in Kevin there seems significant. Cisco would probably fulfill their well rounded off guard goal better, and that mght be a possibility too, but obviously he's a step down from what they are after if Manu is a target.
Interesting mininote was the article spinning off into a discussion of it being unlikely that Manu wil be traded because of his popularity, saying that in this economy teams are being more conscious of that, so that in places like Phoenix Steve Nash is now untouchable just to keep the fans coming out during the depression. Interestng on two fronts -- 1) of course the impication that Amare really is available; 2) just the argument about not trading Kevin because of his alleged popularity, although I find that one a bit dubious given that Kevin was here last year and we still finished dead last in the league in bothe wins and attendance.
Interesting mininote was the article spinning off into a discussion of it being unlikely that Manu wil be traded because of his popularity, saying that in this economy teams are being more conscious of that, so that in places like Phoenix Steve Nash is now untouchable just to keep the fans coming out during the depression. Interestng on two fronts -- 1) of course the impication that Amare really is available; 2) just the argument about not trading Kevin because of his alleged popularity, although I find that one a bit dubious given that Kevin was here last year and we still finished dead last in the league in bothe wins and attendance.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Thanks for clarifying. My orginal assumption was correct. You were being critical of how the money was being spent, rather than a willingness to spend it. As far as the princeton offense goes. I don't thing the economic state has anything to do with it. They've run that offense before and been sucessful, and Petrie is a big fan of it. I think they would lean toward it regardless of the economy.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I would like to know what they offered for Manu. Washington is way over the cap, so they would have to dump some salaries in order to make the trade. I'm sure the the fifth pick was involved, but it counts for nothing in the trade. For us to do a deal we could go several ways. Either take the fifth pick and one or two players of value in return, or take back enders in return. The second option would give us cap space in 2010 but we wouldn't be getting much in return talent wise for Martin. My preference would be something like Etan Thomas (an ender) and JaVale McGee plus the fifth pick. Probably too much to ask. Martin is a lot younger than Manu though.
dj3ptspecialist44
G-League
Your'e right Kevin Martin is not a Manu Ginobli who wants to be a slow injury prone unathletic player who is only good, because of the two other stars he has on his team. Put him on a team by his self and he wouldn't come close to the output K-Mart puts up. Not to mention Ginobli is getting older. Haha Ginobli better than K-Mart wow. Give me K-Mart over Ginobli any day. I do remember a certain Ginobli getting ripped in 2006 by Mike Bibby of all people and who was it who made a freakishly crazy shot to win the game umm K-Mart should I refresh your memory?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT3pMTHgS2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT3pMTHgS2k
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I think Kevin is better than Manu at this point, without a doubt. But they are completely different players, and I think you're crazy for thinking manu is only good because of parker and duncan. You take them off the team and Manu gets 20 pts a night.
Saying that if you put him on a team without any stars and he wouldn't come close to the output Kevin puts up, is also crazy. He might not score as much as Kevin, but he'd rack up more assists, more blocks, more steals, and do a much better job defensively than Kevin. If you put Kevin on the Spurs with Parker and Duncan, his numbers would go down to.
SacKings7
Starter
I'd rather have Manu than Kevin. Manu is one of the best players in the world. He lead his Argentina team to gold, even beating the US team, which Kevin wasn't even on. I know there are holes in that reasoning, but Manu has showed me many things which Kevin has not. At least not yet.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The deciding factor for me is the age difference, and that could also be the deciding factor for a team like the Wiz. Manu is 32 years old and Martin is 26 years old. Ironicaly, they both played about the same amount of games last year due to injuries.
