who wouldn't love this lineup right now !

[kingsville]

miller/songalia
rahim/thomas
peja/g wallace/garcia
wells/evans/k mart
bibby/house


our bench would be 100x times better than the current bench .

 

[tyrant]

our bench would still suck. we need a point guard like bobby jackson and a big man like the young scott pollard. why can't we go after earl boykins?

 

[nbrans]

Stupid salary cap/expansion draft/Eddie House not being a good backup point guard.

 

[Bricklayer]

miller/songalia
rahim/thomas
peja/g wallace/garcia
wells/evans/k mart
bibby/house


our bench would be 100x times better than the current bench .

UIh...ok, I'll nibble. How would that ever have come about?

In any case, Wallace is the scary one. And if he continues to grow, it could have changed everything we wer thinking/planning over this half-rebuilding phase. The rest are just shrugs.

 

[KingKong]

Still not sure Gerald would fit in with our offense. But I'm not sure, do the Cats run a lot of iso's for him?

 

[DirkAB]

Quit living in the past and move on!!! Besides like Brick said none of those players are ever going to set the world on fire, accept maybe Wallace who doesn't fit in the system.

 

[G_M]

Still not sure Gerald would fit in with our offense. But I'm not sure, do the Cats run a lot of iso's for him?

From what I've seen Wallace gets a lot of garbage points primarily due to his freakish athleticism. His jump shot is far more consistent than it was when he was on the Kings.

Wallace simply was not a "Kings" style player. He really could not pass or shoot. However, it seems being a "Kings" style player is not what it used to be.

 

[keflanag]

miller/songalia
rahim/thomas
peja/g wallace/garcia
wells/evans/k mart
bibby/house


our bench would be 100x times better than the current bench .

I would be nice to have KG, Duncan, Billups, and Ray Allen too. But that's as impossible as this lineup.

If you keep Songaila OR Evans, you can't sign Rahim. We lost Wallace in the expansion draft (remember we only had a couple of guys that were eligible to put in there). We traded Bobby for Wells, so how do we magically get Wells for nothing?

The only part of this we probably could have done was keep House instead of getting Jason Hart. But the idea (whether it is working or not) was to get a defensive ball-stopper. And I won't criticize Petrie for at least trying that.

 

[Bricklayer]

Wallace simply was not a "Kings" style player. He really could not pass or shoot. However, it seems being a "Kings" style player is not what it used to be.

I'm getting quite tired of talking about "Kings style" players frankly. You can really only afford that conceit as long as you playing at an elite level. Otherwise your favorite "style" of player should be whoever can make you better.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would be nice to have KG, Duncan, Billups, and Ray Allen too. But that's as impossible as this lineup.

If you keep Songaila OR Evans, you can't sign Rahim. We lost Wallace in the expansion draft (remember we only had a couple of guys that were eligible to put in there). We traded Bobby for Wells, so how do we magically get Wells for nothing?

No, Geoff screwed up with Gerald -- that was blatant bad planning and some of us called him on it years ago. WHat SHOULD have happened was that Peeler's 2nd year should have either been guaranteed or a team option, NOT a player option. That was the key event. (we also kept Darius over Gerald which it turns out was a mistake too, but that's closer to understandable). When we gave Peeler the option to opt out, it forced us to expose Gerald. And since we KNEW the expansion draft was coming up when we signed Peeler's deal, either a) Geoff/the front office screwed up in a very basic way and showed no foresight; or....

Actually, there really is no or. By putting that option in Peeler's contract, they basically forced their own hand into giving up one of their young players, whether it be Gerald or Darius, rather than a creaky vet that we could have exposed for free. We started off the season trying to play Gerald too, so we must have thought maybe he'd take off for us. But even if he did, all that would have meant is that because of our stupidity with the Peeler contract then we would have had to expose Darius. There was just no good there. Just a flat out screwup. And one that we may be ruing for a long time if Gerald continues to develop.

 

[nbrans]

No, Geoff screwed up with Gerald -- that was blatant bad planning and some of us called him on it years ago. WHat SHOULD have happened was that Peeler's 2nd year should have either been guaranteed or a team option, NOT a player option. That was the key event. (we also kept Darius over Gerald which it turns out was a mistake too, but that's closer to understandable). When we gave Peeler the option to opt out, it forced us to expose Gerald. And since we KNEW the expansion draft was coming up when we signed Peeler's deal, either a) Geoff/the front office screwed up in a very basic way and showed no foresight; or....

Um, I think Peeler and his agent had some say in this, unless there was a secret rule at the time that allowed GMs to dictate contract terms. Also, Songaila was a free agent so he wasn't eligible for the expansion draft.

 

[Bricklayer]

Um, I think Peeler and his agent had some say in this, unless there was a secret rule at the time that allowed GMs to dictate contract terms. Also, Songaila was a free agent so he wasn't eligible for the expansion draft.

Quite frankly if Geoff Petrie cannot out-maneuver the agent for Anthony bleeping Peeler he should be fired on the spot and reduced to assistant lettuce washer at McDonald's. If there was simply NO way you could possibly get Anthony Peeler into a position to have a second year on his contract, then you simply go sign some other marginal backup OG. This ain't rocket science, and half this board could have handled that situation better.

 

[SacTownKid]

Bench would be great. Wouldn't change the fact that they don't fit into Adelmans plans and would never play though.

 

[BMiller52]

Here's one I'd like better:

Miller
KG
TMac
Ray Allen
Mike Bibby

with a 2nd unit of:

Nene
SAR
Peja
Wells
Bobby J


but it's not happening so I'll get over it.

Edit: 100 POSTS! AWESOME!

 

[nbrans]

Quite frankly if Geoff Petrie cannot out-maneuver the agent for Anthony bleeping Peeler he should be fired on the spot and reduced to assistant lettuce washer at McDonald's. If there was simply NO way you could possibly get Anthony Peeler into a position to have a second year on his contract, then you simply go sign some other marginal backup OG. This ain't rocket science, and half this board could have handled that situation better.

I know you want to lay this problem (and just about every other) at the feet of Geoff Petrie, but would you have really advocated signing a barely effective and aging Anthony Peeler to a multi-year deal just so Wallace could sit on the bench behind Peja for god knows how many more years? Nevermind that the Kings would have had to re-sign Wallace in free agency this past season with money they didn't have? And who's to say that Gerald Wallace would be where he is now or five years from now without the opportunity and extended minutes he was afforded by Charlotte?

 

[Fillmoe]

its not our bench its the coach.... i want to know how/why corliss and skinner get 0 playing time.....

 

[Bricklayer]

I know you want to lay this problem (and just about every other) at the feet of Geoff Petrie, but would you have really advocated signing a barely effective and aging Anthony Peeler to a multi-year deal just so Wallace could sit on the bench behind Peja for god knows how many more years? Nevermind that the Kings would have had to re-sign Wallace in free agency this past season with money they didn't have? And who's to say that Gerald Wallace would be where he is now or five years from now without the opportunity and extended minutes he was afforded by Charlotte?

Not only would I have advocated it, I DID advocate it. And so did a fair number of others. You are going to sign "Anthony Peeler" every year. Its totally irrelevant whether you just sign him to a two year contract, or sign him to a one year and then have to go out and replace him by signing somebody else to a one year the next year. But here's the kicker -- if you sign him to a 2 year deal there's a decent chance you never even have to pay him year 2 (at that terrible $2mil or whatever) because he gets sucked up by the expansion franchise as a solid vet with an ending deal.

 

[VF21]

And who's to say that Gerald Wallace would be where he is now or five years from now without the opportunity and extended minutes he was afforded by Charlotte?

That, IMHO, is the point most people are overlooking.

Wallace WASN'T doing anything close to what he needed to do to stay in the uniform of the Kings at the time he was left for expansion draft.

In addition, he wouldn't have EVER received the playing time.

One could argue the only reason he's the way he is NOW is because he learned his lesson from the whole Dallas fiasco. There's a front-page article in today's Bee sports section about Wallace that I think lays it out fairly well. If it hasn't already been posted in the NBA forum, I'll do it now...

 

[Big Cuz 15]

hey brick,

i didn't know those series of events lead up to gerald being exposed. i thought they gave up on gerald which is why they left him exposed. gerald was a player that could really develop into a defensive stopper with his freakish athleticism. the kings need a player that is willing to get his hands dirty and basically gave him away... anybody think we could've traded him at least for a draft pick or somethin rather than just let him go like that. i'm still puzzled why adelman didn't play the young fella more. he needs game time if he's gonna get better ... even if it meant the expense of getting a lower seed in the playoffs.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Wallace wasn't playing much as a Kings member. THe Bobcats actually played him so they made him better. The Kings couldn't of done that because probably before this year he might of been ain a trade or something and would of let him go.