Who was right with Hawes & Garcia
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bajaden
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Garcia, no, Hawes, yes. After Horford was gone, not unexpectantly, Hawes was the player I wanted. I did not want Noah, who was a popular choice on this board. He has no offensive game and is a terrible free throw shooter.
Big Cuz 15
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i didn't pick either in my mock. i was hoping for noah.. for the garcia draft, it was really up in the air cuz the pick was late..
PurpleHaze
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I didn't pick them per se, but leading up to the draft of Francisco Garcia his name was being throw around a lot on mock boards and in the Sacramento media as a player likely to be selected. There was scuttlebutt at the time that Kings management was taking seriously then college coach Reggie Theus' high opinion of him. I was not surprised at all when the Louisville University star was selected at #17 considering other talent on the board at that late first round pick. It was similar with Spencer Hawes, as in the last few days before the draft it was reported that Kings were almost certain to grab a big man. At #10 several of the top front court players were sure be gone so there was some suspense, but really no big surprise when Hawes was picked.
This time I'm sure the same thing will happen as the NBA draft gets closer with various names, position needs, being daily narrowed down. Hopefully, the Kings move up in the draft somehow or Petrie pulls a magic act to grab someone with surprising impact. I'm always amazed the number of mid second round picks that sometimes turn into stars or even occasional super stars - while on the flip side some first rounder who turn out rather mediocre or even total busts.
yep last year the only real suspense was crossing my fingers that B Wright would slip to us (although I doubt Petrie would have bothered looking at him over Hawes)
Bricklayer
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To some degree I called both players, in a fearful sort of way. Cisco quite obviously -- was predicting that pick from well back in that season (predicted that entire offseason actually -- both Cisco and Shareef). Hawes merely as a likely pick -- I assumed along with everybody else that we would take whichever of the pack of top bigs slipped, and Hawes looked likely to be the last man standing. Also like a Petrie guy, although in retrospect its pretty clear Geoff was not 100% sold on him (wanted Noah apparently -- another Petrie type -- and sounded like he would have taken Thornton if he hadn't felt compelled to finally address positional needs) so that part of my reasoning may have been faulty.
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I wasn't on Kings fans for Garcia, but I thought Hawes/Garcia would be the Kings picks on another site.
I see the Kings taking a PG first, PF second.
In order I see these as the Kings most likely picks.
1) Russell Westbrook
2) Darren Collison
3) DJ Augustin
4) Kevin Love
5) Mareese Speights
6) Darrell Arthur
That's kinda how I would break it down this year.
PurpleHaze
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Thanks. At least I said late first rounder, but don't know where I got 17 instead of correct 23.
Vlade4GM
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I think he would have, Petrie may have his preferences towards polished skills sets but in straight up talent and potential Wright is much better than Hawes and filled a greater rebounding/defensive need than post scoring.
Vlade4GM
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I don't know who would put Collison ahead of Augustin, I hope Petrie wouldn't.
bajaden
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Looks good, except I would just reverse the order with the bigs at the top. I really think that PF is at the top of their priorty list.
LPKingsFan
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Perhaps, but the quality of the PGs is much higher than the bigs available at #12.
Entity
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I am going with pg first as well. Simply because of the fact we have no backup and Beno is a FA and even if we sign him he hasn't proved himself as the PG the kings need to move foward. Beno was a stop leak and he filled in nicely and grew some. If he continues to grow then Beno could be the man but, you can't go on hope. Reason we don't take a PF is Mikki Moore did a decent job we have Williams, SAR will be back and Miller had a great year and Hawes needs more time. Besides after the first 2 or 3 bigs are taken the rest are cookie cutter molds of each other all the through the second round when we could get Joey Dorsey, Taj Gibson etc.....
SacKings7
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I bet Javale McGee is in the top half of that list sumwhere. Something tells me Petrie wants this guy. He has bust written all over him
Kingster
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Yeah, head to head it was Augustin that schooled Collison. Given Reggie's penchant for big point guards, I'm pretty dubious about Augustin being the pick though.
Like most fans I predicted Hawes, but unlike most I was actually hoping for Hawes and not Joakim "Pyscho" Noah. I also got Kevin Martin right in my mock 3 years before that as well...didn't expect Garcia to fall to the Kings though. I think I thought the Wolves would take him, like many others did. Also didn't see the Douby pick coming.
Can't speak for everyone, but I don't think most were hoping for Noah. He wasn't high on my list. I was disappointed that we didn't get Thornton, though.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Its all a matter of opinion my friend, and I humbly disagree.
bajaden
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My first choice was Jeff Green. I was hoping he would slide. My second choice was Hawes and my third was Thornton. I still like Green a lot and it wouldn't surprise me if at the end of his career he's a better player than Durant.
hammystyle
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Noah made 69% of his free throws this year. Hawes made 65%.
Do people who wanted Hawes over Noah feel vindicated? I think Noah had the much more promising rookie year.
Noah had a much larger sample size, though. So if you look at the 95% confidence interval for Noah's FT%, it's 62.4% - 75.8%. Hawes' 95% confidence interval is 48.6% - 82.4%. Given that Noah shot 68.4% in his college career (dead on this year's numbers) and Hawes shot 75.5% in college (much better than this year), it's pretty likely that Hawes' numbers appeared low this year because of a small sample size and he will be the better FT shooter over his career.
From a statistical standpoint, Noah didn't have much over Hawes. He grabbed one more rebound per 40 minutes and (his biggest advantage) almost 1.2 more steals per 40. But they were basically identical in TOs, assists, and blocks (in blocks the slight advantage went to Spencer). And Hawes scored about 1.6 points more per 40.
Given that Hawes is 3 years younger and wasn't expected to be nearly as polished this year as Noah was, and factor in that Noah appears to be pretty lousy in the locker room, and I'll take Hawes, thank you very much.
I guess my bottom line is this: for two players who had very similar per-minute numbers, Hawes, due to his age, has a lot more room to improve. And he's better than Noah in some phases of the game already.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Noah was the better player this year and proved more as a steady starter in the last few months -- he'll be a useful big in the league for a long time. But Hawes I think showed the greater long term potential.
hammystyle
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First off, I think Noah's problems in the locker room were due to his being passionate, brash, and immature. But he'll be a great teammate overall. Maybe one of the best in the league.
The per 40 minutes are generally close, but overall statistically they are fairly far apart. One, the steals is a huge difference. Two, Noah is pretty much ahead on everything else. Third, and mainly Noah was a pretty efficient shooter, whereas Hawes was horrible in this regard. So even though the averages are similar, Noah's statistical production was much better. Actually, Noah's per-minute numbers were as good or better as his more celebrated former teammate Al Horford.
Noah is a great defender, Hawes is not. Not just blocks and steals-wise, but Noah has the length, feet and B-ball IQ to be one the best help defenders/ screen and roll big guys in the league.
Overall I like Hawes, but I'd trade him for Noah in a second. Hawes has good potential, but he has a LONG way to go before he's a good player. Noah's already a good player, and I think he's got a lot of upside left too.
I don't mean all this as a dig at Hawes BTW. I was pleasantly surprised with him this year. I was just interested that their seemed to be a line of thinking that Hawes is a better prospect than Noah, which I obviously disagree with.