Which players could be released via amnesty?

It was the SF pro am 2 years ago.

...This isn't the first time Barnes has been involved in a physical altercation on the court. He drew a one-game suspension last season for his involvement in an on-court scuffle in a game against Dallas. In that contest, Barnes shoved Mavericks guard Jason Terry after Terry had pushed Lakers guard Steve Blake to the floor. When Dallas assistant Terry Stotts wrapped his arms around Barnes from behind, Barnes pushed the Mavericks coach aside and knocked him into the courtside seats. Also, during last summer's Pro-Am, Barnes slapped an opposing team's assistant coach after a brief verbal exchange.

Maybe I'm missing something, but shoving someone who had grabbed him from behind and slapping someone at a Pro-Am is what you're basing all your vitriol on? Seriously?

I guess you're right. He's obviously a hostile thug who should be put away.
 
Maybe I'm missing something, but shoving someone who had grabbed him from behind and slapping someone at a Pro-Am is what you're basing all your vitriol on? Seriously?

I guess you're right. He's obviously a hostile thug who should be put away.

No, it's based off of people who know him and these things just show he hasn't changed.
 
Okay, macadocious - I don't know you but I do know one thing: Matt Barnes has been in the NBA since 2002, not a small feat in and of itself. The fact that you - an online persona named macadocious - played against him holds just about zero relevance to the topic at hand, unless you're trying to say you were an elite athlete. Even then, I don't get what you're trying to prove with that comment.

As far as people saying they didn't like him in high school, who the heck cares? I'm pretty sure there are people from every player's home town who will say something similar, no matter who the athlete is.

Bottom line is Matt Barnes, professional basketball player, is not the guy you once played in high school. He's a pro and he has a skillset our Kings could definitely use.

BTW? My daughter and a couple of her friends ran into Matt at a restaurant not too long ago. He was very gracious and took pictures with them and signed autographs. Not exactly the wanna be gangsta you're trying to portray him as.

I feel like nobody actually read what I posted.

1. I didn't say he got booed at Del Campo, he gets booed now. That was the topic at hand, the question was why, to which I gave my opinion why.
2. If I played against him when I was younger, how is the relevant to me being an elite athelete? Because he was good, the only way to play against him was to be just as good? Not sure what you are saying there. I said I played against him, I posted that, so you know that I have met the man on multiple occasions and he was an *** (not to me btw, but to a lot of people that were where we were playing).
3. My wife went to HS with him, was in his grade. My friends wife as well, along with a few dozen other people I know. I am not making things up. I have no skin in the game, I really don't give a crap about him one way or the other. Again the questions was why is booed and dislike in Sacramento, the reason is that it's pretty well know he is not a likeable person.

If he were to play for the Kings again I would root for him, as I did the first time.
 
Barnes is exactly the type of player we need. I'd prefer a player a level above, an AK or Iggy, but if we can't get them then Barnes is a clear solid option. We know what he brings, he can spread the floor, not a great shooter but can hit the corner three, good on the glass, moves the ball, above average defender, pesky, scrappy, and a hell of a competitor. I'm not really concerned with if he rubs people the wrong way here or there. Basketball isn't about making friends, nor is it about being a choir boy. I've never heard a teammate say a bad thing about him. But this is also a place where some have campaigned for awhile to trade Cuz because he's apparently a terrible human being. Still, he's never done anything like two fan favorites did years ago, BJax throwing the ball at TMac's face then tackling him, and Doug punching Fox before fighting him in the tunnel. And I don't have a problem with either of them doing that, it's just funny no one is going around here saying how they were terrible human beings. I smell hypocrisy.

Most good teams have a Barnes type player(s).

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I feel like nobody actually read what I posted.

1. I didn't say he got booed at Del Campo, he gets booed now. That was the topic at hand, the question was why, to which I gave my opinion why.
2. If I played against him when I was younger, how is the relevant to me being an elite athelete? Because he was good, the only way to play against him was to be just as good? Not sure what you are saying there. I said I played against him, I posted that, so you know that I have met the man on multiple occasions and he was an *** (not to me btw, but to a lot of people that were where we were playing).
3. My wife went to HS with him, was in his grade. My friends wife as well, along with a few dozen other people I know. I am not making things up. I have no skin in the game, I really don't give a crap about him one way or the other. Again the questions was why is booed and dislike in Sacramento, the reason is that it's pretty well know he is not a likeable person.

If he were to play for the Kings again I would root for him, as I did the first time.

Thanks for clarifying.

I don't recall him getting booed at any of the games I attended when he was in a Kings uniform. I seriously doubt if he would get booed were he to again don the purple and black.

The rest of the stuff is more personal opinion/preference than anything else and I'm more than willing to just let it go. Sorry if I misunderstood or misinterpreted anything you might have said.
 
No, it's based off of people who know him and these things just show he hasn't changed.

You're basing your assessment of him as an NBA professional, then, on how he was in high school? Okay, that's fair enough but I sure wouldn't want to be forever judged on how I acted in high school, good or bad.

I just think you're making way too much into some pretty minor incidents. He hasn't shot anyone, he hasn't thrown anyone naked into the street, he hasn't been arrested while under the influence of a controlled substance, he doesn't have 27 kids from 27 different women, etc.

Is he a jerk? Quite possibly. But he's not a JERK, if you know what I mean. Very few NBA players have perfect resumes. Sure, Kevin Martin is a nicer guy (just first example that came to mind) but he certainly doesn't intimidate opposing players and his lack of defensive prowess is legendary around here at least.

Dennis Rodman was a jerk, and a headcase...and scary. And I'd have a 2013 version of him on our team in a heartbeat. Why? Because the dude had game. He put it all out there and he did his job. While Matt isn't another Rodman, he certainly brings what we need to the table.
 
Thing is, Mat Barnes would not still be in the league if he were a disruptively bad guy in the lockerroom. Let alone have been picked up by serious playoff teams each of the last 4 years. He's just not a good enough player to be a problem and get away with it. Look what happened to Terrence Williams, or Rashad McCants.
 
You're basing your assessment of him as an NBA professional, then, on how he was in high school? Okay, that's fair enough but I sure wouldn't want to be forever judged on how I acted in high school, good or bad.

I just think you're making way too much into some pretty minor incidents. He hasn't shot anyone, he hasn't thrown anyone naked into the street, he hasn't been arrested while under the influence of a controlled substance, he doesn't have 27 kids from 27 different women, etc.

Is he a jerk? Quite possibly. But he's not a JERK, if you know what I mean. Very few NBA players have perfect resumes. Sure, Kevin Martin is a nicer guy (just first example that came to mind) but he certainly doesn't intimidate opposing players and his lack of defensive prowess is legendary around here at least.

Dennis Rodman was a jerk, and a headcase...and scary. And I'd have a 2013 version of him on our team in a heartbeat. Why? Because the dude had game. He put it all out there and he did his job. While Matt isn't another Rodman, he certainly brings what we need to the table.

Just to add a little to this for reference. Kevin Garnett got into fights with his own teammates in HS, and has continued to have similar spats or fights throughout his career. But you would be hard pressed to find anyone around here who wouldn't want him on the Kings. I always find it interesting that some players will be excused for their actions as simply being intensely competitive, while others are called thugs for the same actions.
 
I feel like nobody actually read what I posted.

1. I didn't say he got booed at Del Campo, he gets booed now. That was the topic at hand, the question was why, to which I gave my opinion why.
2. If I played against him when I was younger, how is the relevant to me being an elite athelete? Because he was good, the only way to play against him was to be just as good? Not sure what you are saying there. I said I played against him, I posted that, so you know that I have met the man on multiple occasions and he was an *** (not to me btw, but to a lot of people that were where we were playing).
3. My wife went to HS with him, was in his grade. My friends wife as well, along with a few dozen other people I know. I am not making things up. I have no skin in the game, I really don't give a crap about him one way or the other. Again the questions was why is booed and dislike in Sacramento, the reason is that it's pretty well know he is not a likeable person.

If he were to play for the Kings again I would root for him, as I did the first time.
I know people that played against Barnes in hs as well... consensus is he was a jerk. That was a long time ago though and he was a young kid. Water under the bridge.
 
Just to add a little to this for reference. Kevin Garnett got into fights with his own teammates in HS, and has continued to have similar spats or fights throughout his career. But you would be hard pressed to find anyone around here who wouldn't want him on the Kings. I always find it interesting that some players will be excused for their actions as simply being intensely competitive, while others are called thugs for the same actions.
It's extremely weird, and I can't come up with any other explanation other than those who are quick to label Cuz a thug or lost cause, or a guy like Barnes don't follow the rest of the league and are quite ignorant to the history of the league. There's really no other explanation other than not having a clue.

You're right about KG. He punched a Minn draft pick square in the face a few years back in a summer pickup game. Cheap shots Euro's. Talks about Melo's wife.

Kobe, fist fights with both Childs and Miller years ago and for years was a complete a** to deal with and labelled uncoachable by PJax.

Shaq. Everyone remember him winding up and taking a swing at Brad in Chi? He was also an a** for years, publicly feuded with Kobe, plenty of cheap shots on the court.

Rondo. Suspended twice in the last two years for contact with refs. Once for bumping a ref, another for throwing the ball at the ref. Notoriously tough to coach and get along with. Just ask Ray Allen.

Westbrook. Lots of fire which boils over sometimes. Regularly gets in arguments with teammates on the sidelines. Even blew up and left the bench and went to the locker room mid game late this season. Brooks told him to leave and cool off.

Barkley. Where to start? How about I just leave it at throwing some guy through a window at a night club.

Melo. Famous snitch video and fist fight in the Garden.

Kevin Love. Stepped on Scola's face intentionally during a game. Regularly calls out his FO and threatens to leave through the media.

As I pointed out above, both BJax and Doug were involved in fights, yet are heavily revered by Kings fans.

Webber. Ran out of GS after butting heads with Nelson, arrested for possession of weed in an airport before coming here.

I could go on, but it's truly ridiculous how a few around here fabricate a misplaced agenda against whatever player they like or don't like, then repeatedly ignore reality and the history of the league while hanging onto whatever ridiculous agenda they're promoting.

And there's a reason the Lakers went after Artest, then Barnes. There's a reason SA took on Stephen Jackson. There's a reason Mia took on Birdman. There's a reason LAC/NJ went after Evans. There's a reason Dal had Stevenson during their championship run. There's always been a place for tough guys who toe the line in this league, and they're valued. And there's also a number of great players who have that same fire, who aren't angels, and for some reason are guys a few choose to ignore the actions of while hammering others for the same.
 
I feel like nobody actually read what I posted.

1. I didn't say he got booed at Del Campo, he gets booed now. That was the topic at hand, the question was why, to which I gave my opinion why.
2. If I played against him when I was younger, how is the relevant to me being an elite athelete? Because he was good, the only way to play against him was to be just as good? Not sure what you are saying there. I said I played against him, I posted that, so you know that I have met the man on multiple occasions and he was an *** (not to me btw, but to a lot of people that were where we were playing).
3. My wife went to HS with him, was in his grade. My friends wife as well, along with a few dozen other people I know. I am not making things up. I have no skin in the game, I really don't give a crap about him one way or the other. Again the questions was why is booed and dislike in Sacramento, the reason is that it's pretty well know he is not a likeable person.
If he were to play for the Kings again I would root for him, as I did the first time.

My cousin went to HS with him too, or it may have been a friend of her's I can never remember, and pretty much said the same thing about him.
 
It's extremely weird, and I can't come up with any other explanation other than those who are quick to label Cuz a thug or lost cause, or a guy like Barnes don't follow the rest of the league and are quite ignorant to the history of the league. There's really no other explanation other than not having a clue.

You're right about KG. He punched a Minn draft pick square in the face a few years back in a summer pickup game. Cheap shots Euro's. Talks about Melo's wife.

Kobe, fist fights with both Childs and Miller years ago and for years was a complete a** to deal with and labelled uncoachable by PJax.

Shaq. Everyone remember him winding up and taking a swing at Brad in Chi? He was also an a** for years, publicly feuded with Kobe, plenty of cheap shots on the court.

Rondo. Suspended twice in the last two years for contact with refs. Once for bumping a ref, another for throwing the ball at the ref. Notoriously tough to coach and get along with. Just ask Ray Allen.

Westbrook. Lots of fire which boils over sometimes. Regularly gets in arguments with teammates on the sidelines. Even blew up and left the bench and went to the locker room mid game late this season. Brooks told him to leave and cool off.

Barkley. Where to start? How about I just leave it at throwing some guy through a window at a night club.

Melo. Famous snitch video and fist fight in the Garden.

Kevin Love. Stepped on Scola's face intentionally during a game. Regularly calls out his FO and threatens to leave through the media.

As I pointed out above, both BJax and Doug were involved in fights, yet are heavily revered by Kings fans.

Webber. Ran out of GS after butting heads with Nelson, arrested for possession of weed in an airport before coming here.

I could go on, but it's truly ridiculous how a few around here fabricate a misplaced agenda against whatever player they like or don't like, then repeatedly ignore reality and the history of the league while hanging onto whatever ridiculous agenda they're promoting.

And there's a reason the Lakers went after Artest, then Barnes. There's a reason SA took on Stephen Jackson. There's a reason Mia took on Birdman. There's a reason LAC/NJ went after Evans. There's a reason Dal had Stevenson during their championship run. There's always been a place for tough guys who toe the line in this league, and they're valued. And there's also a number of great players who have that same fire, who aren't angels, and for some reason are guys a few choose to ignore the actions of while hammering others for the same.
And then you have teams like the Spurs and Heat in the finals. The older I get the less tolerance I have for a**hole athletes. I'm a forgiving person, it's just tough to root for them while they're in the midst of their immaturity. I didn't care when I was younger... just wanted to watch a great team. Now that I'm older and raising a son of my own I do care how these guys act on and off the court. Definitely want a winner but not at any cost... let's win with class, it is still possible.
 
And then you have teams like the Spurs and Heat in the finals. The older I get the less tolerance I have for a**hole athletes. I'm a forgiving person, it's just tough to root for them while they're in the midst of their immaturity. I didn't care when I was younger... just wanted to watch a great team. Now that I'm older and raising a son of my own I do care how these guys act on and off the court. Definitely want a winner but not at any cost... let's win with class, it is still possible.

Which one of these are a hole athletes? Define a hole athlete.

And your son will learn one way or another everyone matures, some quicker than others, and s*** happens during competition sometimes. But given the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS, Euro soccer, Nascar are littered with competitors who act out at times, you're going to have a tough time being a sports fan.

But what's over the top? Would you not want your kid seeing dirty John Stockton screens? Duncan cursing at a ref? Lebron getting a technical? Webber flattening Stockton with a screen? Melo throwing an elbow? Does a punch in the NBA make you an a hole but bench clearing brawls in MLB don't, or NHL player dropping gloves and fighting it out not? Do you hate an entire MLB team for brawling? How about a late hit on a QB in the NFL? That's worse than a hard foul in the NBA. Who's the bigger a hole?

It's life. I also don't think Barnes would be labelled as a thug if he looked like Matt Bonner yet played the same way. Different discussion, but I've enver heard of any white athletes being called thugs or a hole athletes when they act out. Except Birdman. Jason Kidd, beat his wife, DUI last summer, yet I've ever heard him called a thug. Matt Barnes has done less, yet a thug. Wonder why.....

And you bring up the Spurs. Is Pop not an a hole when dealing with the media? I think it's funny but many probably do think he is one. Parker had an affair with his teammate's wife, then cheated separately on Eva. They brought back Stephen Jackson who's since left, but he's no class act. Mia players have history too.
 
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Which one of these are a hole athletes? Define a hole athlete.

And your son will learn one way or another everyone matures, some quicker than others, and s*** happens during competition sometimes. But given the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS, Euro soccer, Nascar are littered with competitors who act out at times, you're going to have a tough time being a sports fan.

But what's over the top? Would you not want your kid seeing dirty John Stockton screens? Duncan cursing at a ref? Lebron getting a technical? Webber flattening Stockton with a screen? Melo throwing an elbow? Does a punch in the NBA make you an a hole but bench clearing brawls in MLB don't, or NHL player dropping gloves and fighting it out not? Do you hate an entire MLB team for brawling? How about a late hit on a QB in the NFL? That's worse than a hard foul in the NBA. Who's the bigger a hole?

It's life. I also don't think Barnes would be labelled as a thug if he looked like Matt Bonner yet played the same way. Different discussion, but I've enver heard of any white athletes being called thugs or a hole athletes when they act out. Except Birdman. Jason Kidd, beat his wife, DUI last summer, yet I've ever heard him called a thug. Matt Barnes has done less, yet a thug. Wonder why.....

And you bring up the Spurs. Is Pop not an a hole when dealing with the media? I think it's funny but many probably do think he is one. Parker had an affair with his teammate's wife, then cheated separately on Eva. They brought back Stephen Jackson who's since left, but he's no class act. Mia players have history too.

Gee, rainmaker, now I'll never watch sports again. Too dirty.
 
Which one of these are a hole athletes? Define a hole athlete.

And your son will learn one way or another everyone matures, some quicker than others, and s*** happens during competition sometimes. But given the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS, Euro soccer, Nascar are littered with competitors who act out at times, you're going to have a tough time being a sports fan.

But what's over the top? Would you not want your kid seeing dirty John Stockton screens? Duncan cursing at a ref? Lebron getting a technical? Webber flattening Stockton with a screen? Melo throwing an elbow? Does a punch in the NBA make you an a hole but bench clearing brawls in MLB don't, or NHL player dropping gloves and fighting it out not? Do you hate an entire MLB team for brawling? How about a late hit on a QB in the NFL? That's worse than a hard foul in the NBA. Who's the bigger a hole?

It's life. I also don't think Barnes would be labelled as a thug if he looked like Matt Bonner yet played the same way. Different discussion, but I've enver heard of any white athletes being called thugs or a hole athletes when they act out. Except Birdman. Jason Kidd, beat his wife, DUI last summer, yet I've ever heard him called a thug. Matt Barnes has done less, yet a thug. Wonder why.....

And you bring up the Spurs. Is Pop not an a hole when dealing with the media? I think it's funny but many probably do think he is one. Parker had an affair with his teammate's wife, then cheated separately on Eva. They brought back Stephen Jackson who's since left, but he's no class act. Mia players have history too.

In this case I don't think the Stephen Jackson example is a good one, seeing as his attitude is precisely why they cut him. Personally I think that having a nice classy player who fills a role is a luxury to have. It's not true that such players don't exist - Kawhi Leonard seems like a pretty good guy and he's been doing an overall wonderful job on LeBron defensively. So that goes to show that you don't need to be dirty to be a good defender. However, the key word is luxury, and if you don't exactly have a queue of nice classy, clean, defensive players lining up to join the Kings then you get whatever you can. As DeMarcus Cousins has always said, winning solves everything.
 
Which one of these are a hole athletes? Define a hole athlete.

And your son will learn one way or another everyone matures, some quicker than others, and s*** happens during competition sometimes. But given the NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, MLS, Euro soccer, Nascar are littered with competitors who act out at times, you're going to have a tough time being a sports fan.

But what's over the top? Would you not want your kid seeing dirty John Stockton screens? Duncan cursing at a ref? Lebron getting a technical? Webber flattening Stockton with a screen? Melo throwing an elbow? Does a punch in the NBA make you an a hole but bench clearing brawls in MLB don't, or NHL player dropping gloves and fighting it out not? Do you hate an entire MLB team for brawling? How about a late hit on a QB in the NFL? That's worse than a hard foul in the NBA. Who's the bigger a hole?

It's life. I also don't think Barnes would be labelled as a thug if he looked like Matt Bonner yet played the same way. Different discussion, but I've enver heard of any white athletes being called thugs or a hole athletes when they act out. Except Birdman. Jason Kidd, beat his wife, DUI last summer, yet I've ever heard him called a thug. Matt Barnes has done less, yet a thug. Wonder why.....

And you bring up the Spurs. Is Pop not an a hole when dealing with the media? I think it's funny but many probably do think he is one. Parker had an affair with his teammate's wife, then cheated separately on Eva. They brought back Stephen Jackson who's since left, but he's no class act. Mia players have history too.

Haslem's studio gangster thing, Chalmers getting in the face of players far better than him, Wade breaking Kobe's nose during the freaking allstar game, dislocating Rondo's shoulder, hitting Lance Stephenson with a flying elbow, kicking Ramon Sessions in the groin or him and LeBron mocking Dirk for saying he's ill (and getting their behinds handed to them shortly afterwards). yeah, whenever I think of Miami, the word class act doesn't exactly come to mind first.
 
Haslem's studio gangster thing, Chalmers getting in the face of players far better than him, Wade breaking Kobe's nose during the freaking allstar game, dislocating Rondo's shoulder, hitting Lance Stephenson with a flying elbow, kicking Ramon Sessions in the groin or him and LeBron mocking Dirk for saying he's ill (and getting their behinds handed to them shortly afterwards). yeah, whenever I think of Miami, the word class act doesn't exactly come to mind first.

Yeah and I hope that our team will never be like them. It'll be a pain for me to support. Having one or two guys with "attitude" is bearable, but a whole team. .. ugh.
 
You guys are really veering on this Barnes thing. Neither 101 nor me said he was the worst person in the world. We were asked why he has been booed heavily here. He was a hometown kid that is pretty much not liked in his home town for how he acted here. End of story. That has nothing to do with KG being a jerk, or Webb smoking weed
 
i'm a big fan of matt barnes. always have been. when he first carved out a niche for himself in the nba, he was a sacramento kid with a chip on his shoulder, and he's always made it his business to fill in the gaps however he can on whatever team he's played for. he's the consummate roleplayer, a pesky defender, a relentless competitor, and a useful piece for a team utterly lacking at the SF position. i'd scoop him up in a heart beat...
 
You guys are really veering on this Barnes thing. Neither 101 nor me said he was the worst person in the world. We were asked why he has been booed heavily here. He was a hometown kid that is pretty much not liked in his home town for how he acted here. End of story. That has nothing to do with KG being a jerk, or Webb smoking weed

And you're not understanding that a number of us think it's pretty dumb to boo a player because you didn't like how he acted in freaking high school. As far as the "booed heavily" comment, I still say that I didn't ever notice heavy booing when Matt was a King.

You continue to ignore bajaden's comments as though they aren't relevant, but want us all to take your and 101's word that Barnes is somehow unworthy to wear a Kings uniform or deserves to be booed because he wasn't well liked in school? That's just silly.
 
And you're not understanding that a number of us think it's pretty dumb to boo a player because you didn't like how he acted in freaking high school. As far as the "booed heavily" comment, I still say that I didn't ever notice heavy booing when Matt was a King.

You continue to ignore bajaden's comments as though they aren't relevant, but want us all to take your and 101's word that Barnes is somehow unworthy to wear a Kings uniform or deserves to be booed because he wasn't well liked in school? That's just silly.

And your missing the point that he's still the same person with his fights and attitude. Stuff just happened the past few years, it's not like it's just from high school.
 
And you're not understanding that a number of us think it's pretty dumb to boo a player because you didn't like how he acted in freaking high school. As far as the "booed heavily" comment, I still say that I didn't ever notice heavy booing when Matt was a King.

You continue to ignore bajaden's comments as though they aren't relevant, but want us all to take your and 101's word that Barnes is somehow unworthy to wear a Kings uniform or deserves to be booed because he wasn't well liked in school? That's just silly.

You kind of regressed there. I never said it was OK, I said it's why it happens. I also never said he was booed heavily as a King. I feel like a lot gaps have been filled in out what I have said. Something can be an explanation, but that doesn't make it right. Also, whether it's right or not is your opinion.
 
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