What Would You Rather Have in the Bonzi Situation? (merged)

What Situation would U rather have with Bonzi?


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Bballkingsrock

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Would U ratehr keep Bonzi OR would u let him go and spend his money on a backup PG and a Backup C?

This is a tough decision, so lets see what everyone thinks.
 
We need beasts on this team and Bonzi/Artest are our only beasts on offense and defense. Well we do have this 7'0 center but he cant be described as anything even close to a beast.
 
Buy low sell high, so i think moving Brad Miller this summer would require one heck of negotation and marketing skill from Petrie. Hey, Isiah Thomas is still the Knicks GM, right ? ;)
 
I voted to keep Bonzi.

Not only for basketball reasons, but also because I really don't want to have to live up to my threat and commit suicide. Chartering a monster truck would be both difficult and expensive, I'd imagine.
 
We could easily do both. Its not one or the other.

We have the MLE, LLE. plenty of expirings at all different price ranges, and could trade Kenny for a few different C's (i.e. Gadz, Etan Thomas, Steven Hunter, etc.)
 
SpursIndonesia said:
Buy low sell high, so i think moving Brad Miller this summer would require one heck of negotation and marketing skill from Petrie. Hey, Isiah Thomas is still the Knicks GM, right ? ;)

Stay tuned to the Olympics, and you will see.
 
Sign Bonzi...

While the 98-03 fast-breakin', fancy-passin' Kings was fun to watch, it's time to usher in the new era of HARD NOSE, TOUGH AS A NAIL brand of Kings basketball.

Bonzi-Artest combo is as tough as any 2-3 in the league...let's keep it that way and make teams pay.
 
Next season, Miller is due to make $9,625,000. Thomas will make $6,720,312. Throw in Potapenko (expiring contract) with $3,315,000, and those three guys' salaries add up to just under $20M. Keep Wells, and trade those guys.

Who can we get for $20M? This guy. :D

Then sign Lorenzen Wright as a free agent; Wright's good enough if you have a Kevin Garnett playing next to him.
 
For many of you who will be among the 17,317 at Friday night's Game 6, keep the BONZI chant going...let your chant resonate in his head during the offseason well onto the negotiation table...
 
We wouldn't even be in this series if it wasn't for Bonzi. I feel positive about our team's future because I love what Bonzi and Artest bring to this team. I voted to keep Bonzi. To me, it's a no brainer.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Next season, Miller is due to make $9,625,000. Thomas will make $6,720,312. Throw in Potapenko (expiring contract) with $3,315,000, and those three guys' salaries add up to just under $20M. Keep Wells, and trade those guys.

Who can we get for $20M? This guy. :D

Then sign Lorenzen Wright as a free agent; Wright's good enough if you have a Kevin Garnett playing next to him.

...hokay! Now were talking...
 
Bonzi got healthy and became a dominant tandem with Artest, I love the toughness both bring to our team. The way Adelman is coaching as well, it seems bench players will get more time if starters are not performing, I say keep Bonzi if possible him Artest are a great presence defensively.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Next season, Miller is due to make $9,625,000. Thomas will make $6,720,312. Throw in Potapenko (expiring contract) with $3,315,000, and those three guys' salaries add up to just under $20M. Keep Wells, and trade those guys.

Who can we get for $20M? This guy. :D

Then sign Lorenzen Wright as a free agent; Wright's good enough if you have a Kevin Garnett playing next to him.

when you put it like that i really cant wait to move this guy, he needs to go. i do like your suggested scenario though.
 
I would S&T Bonzi, ideally going small for big. He's been great for us, but I don't trust guys who don't get it together until their contract year. I think his market value will far outstrip his value to us, and we will be able to move him for a good player. He's been fantastic for us, but only because our team is so unbalanced (re: Miller is horrible in the paint/power forwards are undersized and sporadic). We also don't really need Miller's shooting to spread the floor. Martin can shoot fine, and Bibby just tosses daggers.
 
I voted to keep Bonzi. Hoping to only sign him to three years though. He is getting old and I think it would be a bad move to sign him any longer than that.
 
Bonzi's a winner (obviously the Bonzi we have had). He is a guy who could start for a championship team. So...you keep him, and you build around Ron/Bonzi as the core duo that opponents can't macthup with. You burn any or all of our frontcourt pieces, the MLE, our #1 pick, to get back just one good rebounding/boarding big (but preferably two). Then you are set. With a Ron/Bonzi tandem you are achingly close to being agreat rebounding/defending/hustling team. Just a player or two up front. So hold it together and go looing for that piece, and I think you have a real chance to challenge for a title so long as everybody remians sane.
 
Bricklayer said:
Bonzi's a winner (obviously the Bonzi we have had). He is a guy who could start for a championship team.

I don't know about that. What championship contender could he currently start for? Aside from the Cavs, what remaining playoff team would he step in and start for? What has he ever really won? I don't know that this team is really as competitive as we think it is. They got blown out in two games, including the series decider. Games 2, 3, and 4 were valiant efforts, no doubt, but were those three games enough evidence to lay a 5-6 year contract on Bonzi?

Again, I think he has really stood out because our team is so unbalanced. If we had a decent frontline, Bonzi would probably not be posting as much, and would certainly have fewer rebounds. Now, you obviously want to take advantage of the mismatches where they present themselves, but a more balanced team would have more options. With a solid frontcourt we could have abused Nazr and Rasho, and taken advantage of Tim Duncan's injury. Instead, TD was able to conserve energy for the offensive end. And Bonzi's matchup problem was not so overwhelming that Pop could not adjust. We still lost the series. I think Dallas takes them in five though.

Quite honestly, I trust Kevin Martin more than Bonzi. Bonzi has been great this year. He's been a good citizen and a competitor, and I wish him the best going forward. But I would not invest a 5-6 year contract in him. Let Isaih Thomas do it. Kevin is a solid rebounder, a greater shooting threat, and every bit the hustler that Bonzi is. Plus, Kevin has gotten consistently better over the past two years, and is much younger. And Kevin had a great series as well. The kid is a playoff performer in his own right, and freaking clutch! Bonzi did not put it all together until he was 30 and in a contract year, which is fine, but I would still feel much more comfortable with Kevin as opposed to Bonzi. Hey, we got a great year out of him. Probably a better year than Bobby Jackson would have provided, but it's time to hunt for the S&T.
 
Unfortunately it often comes down to Kevin vs Bonzi for many, with the most excited Kevin backers wanting to denigrate the guy ahead of him. In which case BTW Bonzi >> Kevin, at least for the time being. Kevin averaged 13pts 5rebs on 41% shooting in the series, Bonzi 23pts 12rebs on 61% shooting. NO comparison. That was just about the toughest opponent you can, or will face, and Kevin was solid, which is a good sing for his future. Meanwhile Bonzi was the best player on the court, bar none.


Bonzi Wells COULD start on a title team. And its not about "he would start for x team". The "x teams" of the moment are just teams of the moment. And starting OGs or SFs for title contenders over the years have come in all shapes, sizes and abilities. Some are stars, some are roleplayers. The reason he could start is not his ability (itself very much in line with anybody short of the star level players), it is his attitude and focus. Title teams are built on boardwork, defense, hustle, and interior domination. They are also fearless. All of the above describes the Bonzi package to a T. And the best part is that he can bring all those things REGARDLESS of what the team looks like around him. Hustle, boardwork, garbage plays and banging are completely stackable. The more the merrier. If you have 12 players who provide those things you are better than having only 11. Its not like pretty boy scorers, where you can only have so many of them before it gets counterproductive because there is only one ball and a limited number of shots to go around. Titles are only rarely won by the most "talented" team in top to bottom talent. They are won by teams stacked up with Bonzi Wells's -- guys who do all the little things, don't back down, frustrate you, beat on you. You still need a Great player to make it all work. Bonzi does not win the title by himself. But he is absolutely the sort of player you see on winner after winner. And combine him with Artest and you have a great start on a core of scrappy winners. Guys who pile up extra possessions for you, who other teams have to always gameplan around.


As an aside, this "contract year" nuttiness has to stop. Outside of this amazing series, where the important lesson was that Bonzi was not backing down from anybody, not that he was a 20-10 player, Bonzi's performance this year has NOT been out of line for Bonzi Wells. His rebounding was up, which was amazing and likely a response, a response you LOVE, of him looking around and figuring out how he could help. But he's always been one of the best OG rebounders. Meanwhile he shot .463. He's a .464 career shooter. He averaged 13pts. His career average is 13pts (in fewer minutes). His steals were slightly elevated, but only slightly if you take into account the extra minutes he played. This was very much Bonzi Wells. Only a more mature Bonzi Wells. The game wasn't magically elevated. It was just suddenly part of something. Normally the contract year phenomenon revolves around putting up bigger numbers for oneself. Bonzi on the other hand did the exact opposite -- became a better teammate. Grew up. Really left his heart out there on the court for us, and appeared in all ways to not only be a solid citzen, but a very good teammate, even when he was benched there for a while.
 
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Venom said:
Games 2, 3, and 4 were valiant efforts, no doubt, but were those three games enough evidence to lay a 5-6 year contract on Bonzi?

Yep.

Also, it's not as if Bonzi suddenly came alive in the playoffs. His play improved dramatically for the series, without doubt, but he played well for us all year.
 
Wells + Artest. It just doesn't get any better then that. Build around them. Our young guys are terrific off the bench, so they're doing great from there. We don't need to get into some rebuilding stage, we just skipped over that, we in transaction from one championship team to another.
 
Bad Boy Bo said:
Wells + Artest. It just doesn't get any better then that. Build around them. Our young guys are terrific off the bench, so they're doing great from there. We don't need to get into some rebuilding stage, we just skipped over that, we in transaction from one championship team to another.

We did great at our Mini Rebuild with getting Artest, you couldn't ask for a better player we got for Peja then him, although KG would have been nice, but not happening in our widest dreams. :-) I do however, really wonder how far along we would have been if we kept Webber and how he would have done with Bonzi and Artest...also SAR off the bench??? But how many of those transactions are made with Webber still on the team...not many I suppose, but it's sure nice to think about it. Vlade was our true dominant big guy Center that we need again, we either keep Brad and move him to PF alongside a big Center or move him and start SAR PF or have him come off the bench. We are almost there, we just need the final 1-3 pieces and we have a great teams for years to come.

Wells & Artest are our core, not Bibby and Miller as our core consisted of, and oh yeah, a guy name Peja :D When we get that 1 or 2 big PF/C guys in there to strengthen our interior we will have 1 heck of a team for years to come. We also need a BJ type off the bench, but I sure like what I see in Cisco and KMart. We'll be good to go, just please sign Bonzi to a good deal and make him and Artest Kings for life, these guys with their never die attitude and strong physicalness are the X factors for us and create so many mismatches in our favor. Bibby is a tough competetor as well and didn't have a great series, but had Bowen on him 1 of the best defenders around. Miller on the other hand was pathetic, and K9 marginal, but he was playing against TD. I definately see SAR in our future either off the bench or starting alongside a dominant rebounding/shoot blocking Center like a Prizbilla or someone else. I really haven't seen Joel play alot, but I like what I hear about him.

To summarize, Bonzi is our future sign him and Artest and keep them Kings for life. You cannot go wrong with that. KMart and Cisco are also very important pieces to our puzzle and need playing time. We do risk stunting both of these guys with Bonzi and Artest in from of them, but so be it, if they produce then they are worthy and they do give us a good spark off the bench and KMart has been clutch for us and will continue getting better.
 
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The contract year "nuttiness" has nothing to do with his stats. I don't think anyone is surprised that he produced on the court the way he did. But, this is the first year that there have not been any Bonzi "incidents". NBA players in a contract year are a lot more coachable than guys sitting on a 5-6 year guaranteed contract. There are so many examples its ridiculous. Just last year he was suspended for the playoffs over a dispute about playing time. He's not going to fend off Kevin Martin for minutes forever, and what happens when he starts losing that battle? I'm sure all you guys will say we just trade him, but it's doubtful that Zeke will still be a GM, so how do we move an aging, disgruntled, overpaid OG?

I think we have been watching wimps like Miller and Peja for so long that people have become overly enamored with a guy who actually plays the game the right way. Of course Bonzi looked like a tough leader all year, his most prominent teammates were Miller, Peja, and Bibby. Bibby is a competitor, but in the Tim Duncan mold, no outer displays of emotion.

It comes down to Kevin vs. Bonzi because Kevin can step in and start should Bonzi depart. Kevin is good enough that we could S&T Bonzi for something other than another OG. But even w/out Kevin, I would rather S&T Bonzi this summer, when his stock is as high as it will ever be, than sign him outright.

Another thing, we don't have to be up against the luxury tax in order to be competitive. I know that letting Bonzi go wouldn't put us under the cap in and of itself, but it's perfectly alright to be moving in that direction if the GM thinks that spending that money would be unwise. Unwise spending is killing this league. I would like to see every GM get more frugal with their max contracts, but the Kings in particular.
 
I want to keep Bonzi. I actually wanted to before the playoffs. The problem now is that we might have to overpay for him and I do not like that. But, the Bonzi + Artest combo is something no other team can match up with. It's a matter of money in the end. You still need the financial flexibility to get a defensive big man and a backup point guard. If resigning Bonzi keeps you from doing that then the team is still screwed.
 
Bricklayer said:
...you build around Ron/Bonzi as the core duo that opponents can't macthup with. You burn any or all of our frontcourt pieces, the MLE, our #1 pick, to get back just one good rebounding/boarding big (but preferably two). Then you are set. . .

And that, in a very few words, pretty much should be etched in stone or on that big gold 6. Make sure the Maloofs see it and commit it to memory. And then let Petrie loose to do his magic.
 
swisshh said:
I want to keep Bonzi. I actually wanted to before the playoffs. The problem now is that we might have to overpay for him and I do not like that. But, the Bonzi + Artest combo is something no other team can match up with. It's a matter of money in the end. You still need the financial flexibility to get a defensive big man and a backup point guard. If resigning Bonzi keeps you from doing that then the team is still screwed.

Luckily for all of us, we aren't the ones writing the checks. The Maloofs have shown they will open their checkbooks for the right player at the right time. I think they will do so again.
 
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