What PF do you want to trade for?
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West_Gunslinger16
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Anderson Varejao, Dwight Howard(clearly impossible as Emeka Okafor), Tim Thomas, Darko Milicic (he can do 4 and really good at it) and Kenyon Martin. Yep, that's right, KENYON MARTIN.
Gary
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I will take a rookie like Shelden Williams and develop him behind either Thomas or SAR for a year or two. (not that he needs much development)
If it was a PF that is already in the league I would take Lamar Odom and put him at the PF spot even though he is a SF.
Here are a few other names that pop out at me.
Dwight Howard
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
If we could ever get any of those 4 I would be partying for a while.
If it was a PF that is already in the league I would take Lamar Odom and put him at the PF spot even though he is a SF.
Here are a few other names that pop out at me.
Dwight Howard
Elton Brand
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
If we could ever get any of those 4 I would be partying for a while.
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Fillmoe
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can we keep it realistic?
id like nene or griffin
id like nene or griffin
Gary
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I am not understanding the logic with this then. The object is to improve on what we have. Most guys listed here are not improvements.
I would rather take my chances in teh draft and develop someone rather than pick up another marginal player.
Or just trade for someone like a Gasol, or Howard.
Haslem-no
Nene-meh (although he still is young, and can heal but hasn't proved jack, plus he is not the defender we want.)
Griffin-maybe (can block shots, and rebound, but if I had to give up too much than I say no)
Joe Smith-wtf why? KT is better than Joe Smith at this point
Jason Collins- hell no. I would take a one legged brad miller over this stiff
David West- nah. Put SAR on NOK and he would avg 17-7, but it is getting better!
Jared Jeffries-No way.. Where the hell would we put this guy?
Chris Webber-hehe
West_Gunslinger16: Now he is thinking what I am thinking
(except k-mart, and Tim Thomas hehe)
No offense anyone, but we are tying to make our team better. Only a couple of those guys above would do that, and only slightly. I do like Griffin, but he hasn't proved that he can play starter type minutes and put forth an effort like he has in 20 minutes. If he started at PF, and gave us 10ppg 11rpg, and 3bpg than I would pull the trigger, but as you can see the games he got to start he was VERY inconsistant.
I would rather take my chances in teh draft and develop someone rather than pick up another marginal player.
Or just trade for someone like a Gasol, or Howard.
Haslem-no
Nene-meh (although he still is young, and can heal but hasn't proved jack, plus he is not the defender we want.)
Griffin-maybe (can block shots, and rebound, but if I had to give up too much than I say no)
Joe Smith-wtf why? KT is better than Joe Smith at this point
Jason Collins- hell no. I would take a one legged brad miller over this stiff
David West- nah. Put SAR on NOK and he would avg 17-7, but it is getting better!
Jared Jeffries-No way.. Where the hell would we put this guy?
Chris Webber-hehe
West_Gunslinger16: Now he is thinking what I am thinking
(except k-mart, and Tim Thomas hehe)No offense anyone, but we are tying to make our team better. Only a couple of those guys above would do that, and only slightly. I do like Griffin, but he hasn't proved that he can play starter type minutes and put forth an effort like he has in 20 minutes. If he started at PF, and gave us 10ppg 11rpg, and 3bpg than I would pull the trigger, but as you can see the games he got to start he was VERY inconsistant.
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Gary said:I am not understanding the logic with this then. The object is to improve on what we have. Most guys listed here are not improvements.
I would rather take my chances in teh draft and develop someone rather than pick up another marginal player.
Or just trade for someone like a Gasol, or Howard.
Haslem-no
Nene-meh (although he still is young, and can heal but hasn't proved jack, plus he is not the defender we want.)
Griffin-maybe (can block shots, and rebound, but if I had to give up too much than I say no)
Joe Smith-wtf why? KT is better than Joe Smith at this point
Jason Collins- hell no. I would take a one legged brad miller over this stiff
David West- nah. Put SAR on NOK and he would avg 17-7, but it is getting better!
Jared Jeffries-No way.. Where the hell would we put this guy?
Chris Webber-hehe
West_Gunslinger16: Now he is thinking what I am thinking
No offense anyone, but we are tying to make our team better. Only a couple of those guys above would do that, and only slightly. I do like Griffin, but he hasn't proved that he can play starter type minutes and put forth an effort like he has in 20 minutes. If he started at PF, and gave us 10ppg 11rpg, and 3bpg than I would pull the trigger, but as you can see the games he got to start he was VERY inconsistant.
The point of this topic is seeing what realistic option people want that is a good defender. I mean you can say "well I only want one of the best guys at PF" but Toronto isn't looking to trade Bosh just to make the kings better. Orlando isn't looking to trade Howard just to make the kings better. Memphis isn't looking to trade Gasol just to make the kings better.
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drew gooden
yo we have to go with drew gooden of the cavs because he's everything we need in a PF (rebounding, and solid defense) he's one of the top offensive rebounders in the league and if we can't sign him as a free agent i dont see a risk in trading for him because he is a very solid PF who can start. i say trade SAR and Hart to the cavs for Gooden and Damon Jones. Jones can be a great back up for Bibby because of his shooting ability.
yo we have to go with drew gooden of the cavs because he's everything we need in a PF (rebounding, and solid defense) he's one of the top offensive rebounders in the league and if we can't sign him as a free agent i dont see a risk in trading for him because he is a very solid PF who can start. i say trade SAR and Hart to the cavs for Gooden and Damon Jones. Jones can be a great back up for Bibby because of his shooting ability.
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Agreed ^.
"Or just trade for someone like a Gasol, or Howard."
Oh, yeah, just trade for those guys...
. Howard became untouchable this past season, he's the Magic's #1 guy and franchise player for the future.
"Jason Collins- hell no. I would take a one legged brad miller over this stiff"
Jason Collins - One of the best post-defenders in the league, top 5. Has played Shaq well over the years, and did against JO during the Pacers series. That doesn't show up in the stat sheet. Wouldn't be one of my top 3 choices, but wouldn't mind us getting him if we couldn't get someone better.
Joe Smith - very good jumpshooter, athletic, plays with passion, good rebounder.
West - Good jumpshooter, athletic, brings energy, clutch, pretty good rebounder. Would need a defensive center next to him.
"I do like Griffin, but he hasn't proved that he can play starter type minutes and put forth an effort like he has in 20 minutes. If he started at PF, and gave us 10ppg 11rpg, and 3bpg than I would pull the trigger, but as you can see the games he got to start he was VERY inconsistant."
Griffin was starting at CENTER when he started, not his main position, nor what he's regulary suited for. Hence his mixed results. He's 6'10" 235-240, a PF, and can play C in spurts.
"Or just trade for someone like a Gasol, or Howard."
Oh, yeah, just trade for those guys...
. Howard became untouchable this past season, he's the Magic's #1 guy and franchise player for the future."Jason Collins- hell no. I would take a one legged brad miller over this stiff"
Jason Collins - One of the best post-defenders in the league, top 5. Has played Shaq well over the years, and did against JO during the Pacers series. That doesn't show up in the stat sheet. Wouldn't be one of my top 3 choices, but wouldn't mind us getting him if we couldn't get someone better.
Joe Smith - very good jumpshooter, athletic, plays with passion, good rebounder.
West - Good jumpshooter, athletic, brings energy, clutch, pretty good rebounder. Would need a defensive center next to him.
"I do like Griffin, but he hasn't proved that he can play starter type minutes and put forth an effort like he has in 20 minutes. If he started at PF, and gave us 10ppg 11rpg, and 3bpg than I would pull the trigger, but as you can see the games he got to start he was VERY inconsistant."
Griffin was starting at CENTER when he started, not his main position, nor what he's regulary suited for. Hence his mixed results. He's 6'10" 235-240, a PF, and can play C in spurts.
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Gary
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BMiller52 said:
Than what's the point of picking up avg, to below avg players that don't get minutes on a bad team? I would rather draft and develop than take chances in a trade and have to give up our own players. Or wait to sign a FA.
Im not saying we would have a chance to pick up any of those I listed above (because its probally 0.0000001% that we could) but I don't want to settle for someone who we wouldn't be happy with either, while giving up one of our own players. That's what the FA market is for.
When describing Joe Smith it sounds like a description of KT.
West is probally someone I would take a chance on. But he wouldn't make our team any better throwing him in at PF until we got that center.
Jason Collins.. Post defender. That's it. That's about as one dimentional as they come. Who would you trade for a guy like this?
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Gary said:
Well unless the draft pick is going to be backing up at C or PF (SAR's likely still here), we aren't going to be dedicating part of our season to developing a player. He'll steadily get minutes and it'll go from there. The ambition is to get back to being a top team.
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chaps
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I'm biased and I know it, but I don't care.
Trade up in the draft and pick "the Landlord" Shelden Williams.
Nobody owned the paint in college basketball like him becoming Duke's all-time leader in blocked shots and rebounds.
For a team that has shotblocking/rebounding problems like us, don't even think twice on getting this kid with a wingspan of a Boeing 747. He's special and he won't require us to blowup our team to get him unlike some other elite PFs previously mentionned.
This kid's the second coming of Ben Wallace... only thing is that at this point and time, he might already be better than Big Ben on the offensive end.
Trade up in the draft and pick "the Landlord" Shelden Williams.
Nobody owned the paint in college basketball like him becoming Duke's all-time leader in blocked shots and rebounds.
For a team that has shotblocking/rebounding problems like us, don't even think twice on getting this kid with a wingspan of a Boeing 747. He's special and he won't require us to blowup our team to get him unlike some other elite PFs previously mentionned.
This kid's the second coming of Ben Wallace... only thing is that at this point and time, he might already be better than Big Ben on the offensive end.
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Gary said:
KT lost his jumpshot, isn't 6'10", doesn't bring leadership qualities. KT also doesn't play with passion like Smith does, KT gets it done, but it's nice and a big plus to have some emotion when playing. Both are athletic. Smith also fits the Ron/Bonzi/SAR trio or couple, bringing the consistent jumper. Especially if Brad Miller's gone, which isn't out of this world. Petrie also said it's a need to get some shooting back this off-season, well, Joe Smith fits that!
Post-defender? Yeah, that's what the kings NEED. And Collins' is a really good one.
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Gary said:
Just because they're not a superstar doesn't mean they're "average" or below average. SAR is bad on defense, Miller was awful on defense, and Kenny is a midget when he plays his job description. The point is to get somebody that is athletic and can do some of these things: Block shots, play good post defense, run the floor, hit an open shot, rebound the ball, that is everything we suck at(besides hitting shots but most of our points seemed to come from the post IMO). You can add a Pau Gasol to this team but it wouldn't help that much anyway because he's going to score points(which we're already good enough at) but he's not great at the other stuff.
To find players that do that stuff you have to look at free agency(Nene, etc.) or guys that are available because their team doesn't like something about them (Kenyon Martin, Eddie Griffin, etc.). If you're just throwing talent together you wind up with a good post up team that will consistently fail against teams like the spurs that can do everything.
mbkings10
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I wouldn't mind getting Rasheed Wallace. Imagine the team with Wallace, Wells and Artest...a timebomb waiting to explode. But he would be a perfect guy for our system, he is an excellent post defender, blocks shots, a decent rebounder. On the offensive side he can post up, but he can also space out the floor cause he is a good 3 point shooter, and with Wells, Artest or SAR operating in the post that would be very good. I don't think Detroit will be trading him anytime soon, but his style of play is definately something that would be very good for us and put us over the top IMO.
mbkings10 said:
I actually wouldn't be too sure about that. They need money to re-sign Chauncey in 07 and Ben this year. Also have a feeling they might break up their core if they flop in the playoffs against the heat. We have the expirings so they could re-sign Chauncey. I dunno if Bonzi+Sheed again is a good idea though.
SacTownKid
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Etan Thomas would be perfect if you ask me. Tough guy, good shotblocker, tough post defender,
Danny Fortson is a questionable pick, but he is expiring this year, and is dirty as all heck. Wouldn't mind him here moving bodies around, and if he screws up? Send him packing.
Eddie Griffin has probably one of the worst rap sheets in the league, but his skillset would fit perfectly with this team.
Tyson Chandler - DUH!!! But not for too much.
Drew Gooden? Maybe, but not the answer by any stretch.
I'd go for Nene, but same for him as Tyson, can't give up too much for him or pay him Chandler type money.
Danny Fortson is a questionable pick, but he is expiring this year, and is dirty as all heck. Wouldn't mind him here moving bodies around, and if he screws up? Send him packing.
Eddie Griffin has probably one of the worst rap sheets in the league, but his skillset would fit perfectly with this team.
Tyson Chandler - DUH!!! But not for too much.
Drew Gooden? Maybe, but not the answer by any stretch.
I'd go for Nene, but same for him as Tyson, can't give up too much for him or pay him Chandler type money.
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kingme783 said:
I'm a BIG CAVS FAN and I suggest not to get Damon and Gooden. Or maybe Gooden will fare well in Kings but not Damon! Damon makes my stomach turn! He's TO prone. And Gooden also is TO prone.
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Kings113 said:
Let's maintain the non-bigmouth Kings team, a'ight? Let Ron do the talking....
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Mad D said:
Actually he's 24.
AleksandarN
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Darko he is more of PF then a center
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