Webber: 'New' Kings are tougher

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"Webber: 'New' Kings are tougher



By Martin McNeal -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PST Monday, February 7, 2005


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Cuttino Mobley is in the visiting locker room at the Rose Garden in Portland, Ore., and explaining how people don't remember much about when they were very young.



That means Eddie House doesn't recall the then-Los Angeles Raiders winning the Super Bowl in 1981.

"You were five years old," Mobley said to House. "Get outta here."

Meanwhile, Chris Webber is corroborating virtually everything Mobley says during a typically vocal and comedic moment in the locker room of the "new" Kings.
Gone are veterans Vlade Divac and Doug Christie, mainstays, perception-makers and leaders of the Kings during the past four seasons.

On the current active roster, seven players - Mobley, House, Greg Ostertag, Maurice Evans, Matt Barnes, Kevin Martin and Michael Bradley - were not with the Kings when the 2003-04 season ended in a seventh-game loss to the Timberwolves in Minneapolis on May 19, 2004. An eighth player, free-agent rookie Erik Daniels, is on the injured list.


This remodeled squad is younger, but one Webber says he likes. The power forward long has spoken about the Kings being viewed as a soft team and even questioned their toughness himself.

"I don't know what the word is," he said, "(but) it's like there is a 'bite' of intensity with this group. These are more the types of players I'm used to playing with.

"From Bobby Jackson, who has always been here and who is always hotheaded and ready to go on the court. To Mike (Bibby), who everybody thinks is just smiling and nice, but who is killing people on the court.

"I don't think people realize what Matt (Barnes) has done for us as far as rebounding at the (small forward), giving us somebody who is physical in there and (taking) fouls. I just see us as a more scrappier, hustling, more meaner team.

"With Brad (Miller) here, I like our squad."

Miller says clearly the makeup of the squad is different, but the players enjoy each other's company.

"We've got a lot of that 'want to go out and just get'er done,' " said Miller, who has made at least 50 percent of his field-goal attempts in 16 of his past 21 games (57.6 percent).

Kings coach Rick Adelman told his team before the season began that it would have to develop chemistry. Adelman says that remains the case as the Kings approach the most difficult portion of the regular season with games this week against Pacific Division-leading Phoenix (38-11), Northwest Division-leading Seattle (32-13) and Dallas (30-15) followed by nine road games in their next 10.

"It's younger," Adelman said of the team. "It's different. We've got guys that are not sure how this all works. You've got Cuttino coming in, who is different.

"When you lose a couple of people like Vlade and Doug who have been crucial to what we've done for years, suddenly you've changed it around.

"That's why this period right now is going to be a really important time for us. We need to come together with everybody back and the schedule as it is. And the locker room is going to be even more important because you may have some tough times. They certainly weathered it this past week, and I don't think they could have done that if they didn't have a good feel about each other."

Webber agrees the personality makeup is different, but he says the chemistry remains strong.

"The mentality is sort of the same as far as everybody is cool and we have the same chemistry and we joke and we have fun," he said. "But we're not a bunch of silly little high schoolers like I thought we used to be. There is more intensity and maturity. (And) we're not the flopping soft cats we were perceived to be."

Notes - Bibby's totals of 40 points Friday against New York and 35 Saturday night at Portland were the first time a Kings player had scored at least 35 in consecutive games since Webber had 41 on March 7 and 9, 2001. No Kings player during the Sacramento era has scored 35 in three consecutive games. Mitch Richmond was the last Kings guard to score 35 in consecutive games when he had 38 in Miami and 40 in Orlando, also on back-to-back nights (Dec. 26-27, 1993). * The Kings had more offensive rebounds (21) than defensive (18) in the loss to Portland.
 
Bricklayer said:
<sigh> True or not, have I mentioned that Chris really really needs to hire a publicist?

Stole my thunder!!

No mention of Peja, actually digs at Peja's lack of rebounding, and a subtle slap at Vlade all in the same article..NICE!
 
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Kings are tougher but Pedja does not belong there.


If You mention every single one of Your teammates but the guy who You play the longest period of time - You open Yourself for "interpretations" and criticism.

Can't he just shut up and play BB or come out and finally say what he really thinks here. Giving hints and denying it and then doing the same all over again is getting old with Webber.

Talking about blaming Pedja for wanting out of there.

Sadest part is that Vlade and Pedja did not say anything when he returned last season and "destroyed" the best record in the NBA at the time. They have been nothing but supportive.

He calls himself a leader and a teammate. It would be funny if it weren't sad.

BTW - him using a word maturity is extremly pathetic beyond any limits
 
Seriously, I really cannot understand why he does not keep his mouth shut. Either be a man and say what's exactly on your mind or shut the **** up. Unfortunately for the Kings they will not win anything significant as long as he is on the roster. CWeb was born a loser and he will die a loser.
 
If You mention every single one of Your teammates but the guy who You play the longest period of time - You open Yourself for "interpretations" and criticism

Actually, he only mentioned 4 team-mates by name. I'm not sure I would bring up Peja's name in a discussion about toughness either.
 
DeAtHrOw said:
Seriously, I really cannot understand why he does not keep his mouth shut. Either be a man and say what's exactly on your mind or shut the **** up. Unfortunately for the Kings they will not win anything significant as long as he is on the roster. CWeb was born a loser and he will die a loser.

That was just a little harsh.
 
piksi said:
Kings are tougher but Pedja does not belong there.


If You mention every single one of Your teammates but the guy who You play the longest period of time - You open Yourself for "interpretations" and criticism.

Can't he just shut up and play BB or come out and finally say what he really thinks here. Giving hints and denying it and then doing the same all over again is getting old with Webber.

Talking about blaming Pedja for wanting out of there.

Sadest part is that Vlade and Pedja did not say anything when he returned last season and "destroyed" the best record in the NBA at the time. They have been nothing but supportive.

He calls himself a leader and a teammate. It would be funny if it weren't sad.

BTW - him using a word maturity is extremly pathetic beyond any limits

Before people get bent out of shape ... realize that EVERY sportswriter wants the big story. This probably means that if Webber said anything positive about Pedja, it was left out. It's not an interesting story to have Chris say something positive about all his teammates. Marty McNeal isn't as low as some reporters who sometimes will put false statements in there, but I'm sure he's smart enough to leave out comments so there can be some controversy to talk about.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Actually, he only mentioned 4 team-mates by name. I'm not sure I would bring up Peja's name in a discussion about toughness either.

The "digs" are very obvious especially towards Vlade who is not even here anymore.

I would not even bring Webber's name togeteher with toughness. He is a very soft player too.
 
Kingsgurl said:
Actually, he only mentioned 4 team-mates by name. I'm not sure I would bring up Peja's name in a discussion about toughness either.

I know but it is how he(Chris) says things that causes problems in the locker room and with some of the fans. Chris really needs help in beeing more diplomatic if we are to have some sort of chemistry on this team
 
keflanag said:
Before people get bent out of shape ... realize that EVERY sportswriter wants the big story. This probably means that if Webber said anything positive about Pedja, it was left out. It's not an interesting story to have Chris say something positive about all his teammates. Marty McNeal isn't as low as some reporters who sometimes will put false statements in there, but I'm sure he's smart enough to leave out comments so there can be some controversy to talk about.

How blind does one have to be to oversee the "digs" towards Pedja and Vlade
 
I have one response to these types of articles and posts, I don't care. I don't care what Chris Webber says that people might interpret as detrimental to the team, I don't care what Peja Stojakovic says that people might interpret as detrimental to the team, I don't care what Bobby Jackson says that people might interpret as detrimental to the team...you get the point. The Kings pay these players for what they do on the court, I am a fan for what they do on the court and not off of it. If they are producing on the court and not being a menace to society off it, then I don't care.
But this is, of course Chris Webber we are talking about, a whole different matter in and of itself. I'd be more than content if all the Kings player went on through the season with 5 general responses to every question.

All that being said, if you want my honest-honest-assessment of this article and mind you I have no factual evidence to base this on, just my assumption of the team watching them for the last 7 years, Chris is just saying what a lot of people are thinking but just afraid to say.
 
Several things:

First of all, who knows what he did or did not say about Peja? Omissions are always tough in articles because the writer determines what goes in and what gets left out.

Secondly, but really, if you were making a point about how tough your team was would you really include Peja of all people? And when talking about this year in particular?

Finally, I'm hardly going to jump up and down about how laudable Vlade and Peja's conduct was last spring. Webb was half a player, Bobby was out, Brad was banged up and in and out of the lineup, but Mike kept on being Mike + has always played well with Webb, and Doug swelled up as Webber's compatriot in arms. When you are looking for players both affected by and in the middle of our "chemistry problem", pretty much you start with Vlade and Peja who went south on us while still being healthy. Suddenly going through the motions says everything and more, and its not worthy of many gold stars.
 
AleksandarN said:
I know but it is how he(Chris) says things that causes problems in the locker room and with some of the fans. Chris really needs help in beeing more diplomatic if we are to have some sort of chemistry on this team

You really think not mentioning Peja by name in some stupid article is going to create problems in the locker room? How sensitive do you think Peja is? He gave some props to Matt, who IS hustling his behind off out there and deserved some recognition, that doesn't mean he was slamming Peja
 
ReinadelosReys said:
All that being said, if you want my honest-honest-assessment of this article and mind you I have no factual evidence to base this on, just my assumption of the team watching them for the last 7 years, Chris is just saying what a lot of people are thinking but just afraid to say.

What exacly is he saying ?
 
keflanag said:
Before people get bent out of shape ... realize that EVERY sportswriter wants the big story. This probably means that if Webber said anything positive about Pedja, it was left out. It's not an interesting story to have Chris say something positive about all his teammates. Marty McNeal isn't as low as some reporters who sometimes will put false statements in there, but I'm sure he's smart enough to leave out comments so there can be some controversy to talk about.

Maybe Mcneal is not as hell-bent on bashing Webber as Voisin is, but the whole interview/article is set up as if to provoke response that "Webber is bashing Pedja and Vlade again", which might be far from truth.

The only problem I have with Webber here (if indeed that's what he said) is that he is misrepresenting himself to be something that he was not. He's saying that Kings are now the team "more like he is used to..." - erm., Chris, you've been on that "other" Kings team since its inception and it was as much your team as it was Vlade's, DC's or anyone else's - if not more. If that team was soft and lacadaisical so were you. You cannot dissociate yourself from it in AN INTERVIEW. Keep doing what you've been doing the whole darn season (on the floor) and everyone will give you the respect that you deserve as a leader and a player.

Birck is right. Webber and Pedja need some serious PR makeovers. Unless their respective interviews are comepletely fabricated they both emanate a "stink" of insecurity and softness with endless inuendos and passive agressive patterns in their "comments".

Nobody's perfect, but come on. At this rate, I will become kingsfans.com first Pedja AND Webber hater.
 
ReinadelosReys said:
All that being said, if you want my honest-honest-assessment of this article and mind you I have no factual evidence to base this on, just my assumption of the team watching them for the last 7 years, Chris is just saying what a lot of people are thinking but just afraid to say.

I agree with some of what you say regarding overanalysis of what Webber says. I would just ask one question. Why say anything?? Is it helping the team?

Again, not to beat a dead horse but Webb has some "toughness" isssues of his own.
 
I think these things are, and always have been, FAR more significant for the fans than the players. Webb sees + talks to Peja everyday. I would say its safe to assume that 99.9% of the relationship between them is going to be determined byt he face to face time they share rather than an omission in an article.
 
Kingsgurl said:
You really think not mentioning Peja by name in some stupid article is going to create problems in the locker room? How sensitive do you think Peja is? He gave some props to Matt, who IS hustling his behind off out there and deserved some recognition, that doesn't mean he was slamming Peja

I know but can you see how his comments effect people given his history. Chris is not very good when it comes to public speaking his mouth gets him in trouble time in time again. I not saying he made a dig on Pedja on purpose it just he does not translate well in print every time someone interviews him thats all.
 
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<sarcasm_alert>
Maybe Webb knows something we don't know? There are 20 days left until trade deadline :)
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piksi said:
What exacly is he saying ?

That we were soft. That lovable Vlade may have been at the heart of it. That we needed to get tougher.


I still just don't see the point of pointing so explicitly at Vlade. You can emphasize the positive, say that we are tougher than we have been, credit the new guys for bringing that, and leave the rest up to the reader's imagination. Just no need to open old wounds, or to wound old warriors no longer ont he team.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Several things:

First of all, who knows what he did or did not say about Peja? Omissions are always tough in articles because the writer determines what goes in and what gets left out.

Secondly, but really, if you were making a point about how tough your team was would you really include Peja of all people? And when talking about this year in particular?

Finally, I'm hardly going to jump up and down about how laudable Vlade and Peja's conduct was last spring. Webb was half a player, Bobby was out, Brad was banged up and in and out of the lineup, but Mike kept on being Mike + has always played well with Webb, and Doug swelled up as Webber's compatriot in arms. When you are looking for players both affected by and in the middle of our "chemistry problem", pretty much you start with Vlade and Peja who went south on us while still being healthy. Suddenly going through the motions says everything and more, and its not worthy of many gold stars.

To the first Point - considering prior conduct certain interpretations are expected

To the second - same goes for Webber

Third - You have 2 players who helped carry the team trough the season and one who managed to destroy the best record in the NBA in only 22 games. When players see their role deminish they tend to get passive. I wished that Pedja and Vlade said something about the suspension and the way CW played when he came back. At least it would have put pressure on them to perform more. They did not for whatever reason - we may never find out.
 
piksi said:
What exacly is he saying ?

I don't know, since you are obviously a lot more concerned/upset about than I am, why don't you answer the question....

::sigh::

But you see, that's one of my points. I don't know what he is saying anymore than you do. I don't know the context of the question that was asked or of the response that Chris gave or of the connotation behind the words he used. I don't know if he said all of this smiling or with a straight face. I understand that this is a message board, a forum for fans to psychoanalyze everything, but sometimes it just isn't worth it/make sense to. Its like all of these news channels who after every speech or election come on with 30 different so called "experts" to break things down. 30 people, 5 stations, who's right?
 
Bricklayer said:
That we were soft. That lovable Vlade may have been at the heart of it. That we needed to get tougher.

He is soft himself. Why not look in the mirror ?
 
ReinadelosReys said:
I don't know, since you are obviously a lot more concerned/upset about than I am, why don't you answer the question....

::sigh::

But you see, that's one of my points. I don't know what he is saying anymore than you do. I don't know the context of the question that was asked or of the response that Chris gave or of the connotation behind the words he used. I don't know if he said all of this smiling or with a straight face. I understand that this is a message board, a forum for fans to psychoanalyze everything, but sometimes it just isn't worth it/make sense to. Its like all of these news channels who after every speech or election come on with 30 different so called "experts" to break things down. 30 people, 5 stations, who's right?

I agree compleately - but why say anything at this point.

Why not say - "both teams played hard" and focus on BB
 
Bricklayer said:
That we were soft. That lovable Vlade may have been at the heart of it. That we needed to get tougher.

And I would agree with him if that was what he said. But he tried to put it in the past and on the "others". He was no. 1 on that soft Kings team too. Do you see where I am going with that (I don't want to bash anyone explicitly - yet)?
 
bozzwell said:
And I would agree with him if that was what he said. But he tried to put it in the past and on the "others". He was no. 1 on that soft Kings team too. Do you see where I am going with that (I don't want to bash anyone explicitly - yet)?

Well, actually he didn't say the Kings of past were soft. He said they were "precieved to be"....;)
 
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