[Trade] Warriors have obvious Jonathan Kuminga trade demand after latest Kings reports

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Blue Man Hoop said:


As the Golden State Warriors have tried to find a resolution to their Jonathan Kuminga conundrum this offseason, a serious suitor has emerged who could relieve the team of their worries. Although a deal getting done sooner rather than later would likely be in Golden State's best interest, they can afford to wait given their considerable leverage in this situation.

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For eff’s sake, this article has said in Perry’s time as GM with Kings, he’s made some questionable moves including trading Fox to SA. And calling him desperate. Again goes to prove that anyone can write an article without facts.
 
dude12 said:
For eff’s sake, this article has said in Perry’s time as GM with Kings, he’s made some questionable moves including trading Fox to SA. And calling him desperate. Again goes to prove that anyone can write an article without facts.
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This is the same website that declared Devin Carter was a bust after the first summer league game and then immediately did an about face after the second one so it’s par for the course for them lol
 
Tetsujin said:
The Kings would be sending out more money than the Spurs could take in.
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His argument is that the Spurs would be sending out the exact same package that they sent out in reality and receiving the exact same package they received, so the trade should work from their point of view. I don't see how to argue against that.

The return on that trade is pretty bad, considering we were still trying to compete. That would have been a throw-in-the-towel move, and we all understand that realistically Vivek was not going to do that. And even then, it would have left us with plenty of work to do to clear salary to sign Kuminga outright.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
His argument is that the Spurs would be sending out the exact same package that they sent out in reality and receiving the exact same package they received, so the trade should work from their point of view. I don't see how to argue against that.

The return on that trade is pretty bad, considering we were still trying to compete. That would have been a throw-in-the-towel move, and we all understand that realistically Vivek was not going to do that. And even then, it would have left us with plenty of work to do to clear salary to sign Kuminga outright.
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Collins 16.7
Tre Jones 9.1
Sidy 1.9
27.7 million dollars

De’Aaron Fox 34.8 mil

Unless I’m not mathing right (which to be fair, I’m probably not), doesn’t that barely not match the criteria for trade salary matching under the CBA?
 
Capt. Factorial said:
His argument is that the Spurs would be sending out the exact same package that they sent out in reality and receiving the exact same package they received, so the trade should work from their point of view. I don't see how to argue against that.

The return on that trade is pretty bad, considering we were still trying to compete. That would have been a throw-in-the-towel move, and we all understand that realistically Vivek was not going to do that. And even then, it would have left us with plenty of work to do to clear salary to sign Kuminga outright.
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Basically we wind up stuck with Huerter (and I am sorry, but where we were at with Huerter - thanks Brown, Monte, whoever f'd it up - we needed to move him) and all we get extra out of it is the 12th pick in this draft while not getting a single useable or movable contract in return.

You can blame Vivek for wanting some star power but unless he was willing to cut STH prices in half that is an unacceptably bad return even in the situation we were in. Plus a complete and total slap in the face to Monk, DDR and Domas and might be sending the wrong signals to Keegan and Keon.

Nobody on any of the process type rosters survived those rebuilds.
 
Tetsujin said:
Collins 16.7
Tre Jones 9.1
Sidy 1.9
27.7 million dollars

De’Aaron Fox 34.8 mil

Unless I’m not mathing right (which to be fair, I’m probably not), doesn’t that barely not match the criteria for trade salary matching under the CBA?
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I assume having 3 teams in allowed for some salary cap shenanigans that your standard two team deals don't?
 
A year later and people really think that Chicago side was good for us?

Its impossible to argue that in good faith. Matt George, James Ham, whoever you like - has already reported there is literally zero takers for LaVine at any price.
I'd surely take 36 million in expirings + the #12 overall pick for LaVine and Perry would also.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
A year later and people really think that Chicago side was good for us?

Its impossible to argue that in good faith. Matt George, James Ham, whoever you like - has already reported there is literally zero takers for LaVine at any price.
I'd surely take 36 million in expirings + the #12 overall pick for LaVine and Perry would also.
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Getting Zach LaVine is better than literal garbage, yes.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I'd surely take 36 million in expirings + the #12 overall pick for LaVine and Perry would also.
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We're 57 million over the cap so wouldn't do us much good. Do I like the deal? No. Do I like LaVine's salary? Also no. Is he a good fit on this roster as constructed? That would be strike three.

He's also a good player and not dead money.
 
Tetsujin said:
Collins 16.7
Tre Jones 9.1
Sidy 1.9
27.7 million dollars

De’Aaron Fox 34.8 mil

Unless I’m not mathing right (which to be fair, I’m probably not), doesn’t that barely not match the criteria for trade salary matching under the CBA?
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But from our cap perspective then you still have Kevin Huerter. So yeah, we bring in $27M in expiring, but we aren't under cap because we would have still had Huerter.
 
Rain man said:
But from our cap perspective then you still have Kevin Huerter. So yeah, we bring in $27M in expiring, but we aren't under cap because we would have still had Huerter.
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Also, Collins is not expiring this year. Only Sidy and Tre Jones were. So you'd have to find a way to cap dump Collins and/or Huerter.

It's nonsense trolling from him, plain and simple
 
pdxKingsFan said:
We're 57 million over the cap so wouldn't do us much good. Do I like the deal? No. Do I like LaVine's salary? Also no. Is he a good fit on this roster as constructed? That would be strike three.

He's also a good player and not dead money.
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Again, could we today trade LaVine for 36 million in expirings (50+ million savings over 2 years) + The #12 pick?

To move LaVine for 36 million in expirings, we would have to probably attach the 12th pick, and even then I dont think thats enough.

It has continued to be widely reported he has zero market, and perry does not see him as a winning player.

The flexibility of that team is significantly better. You no longer have to force Monk out, you now could have given Keon an extension this summer without worrying about the lux tax, while also getting the starter role hes thrived in. I probably take Carter Bryant who is a dream fit next to Keegan/sabonis. No need to sign Eubanks. No need to feel forced to get Demar off the roster, he can stay be the primary shot taker and help mentor Nique/Bryant.

Sabonis/Maxime/Collins
Keegan/Jones
Demar/Carter Bryant
Keon/Nique/Carter
Schroder/Monk

Then you have Collins/Huerter expirings to make moves with during the season. I don't think there's a rush to move them.

There is literally not a single logical argument that says the LaVine deal was good for us. We would be younger, bigger, cheaper, better positioned now and the future, Keon locked up.

Feels like I'm in crazy land even having this argument to be honest.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
His argument is that the Spurs would be sending out the exact same package that they sent out in reality and receiving the exact same package they received, so the trade should work from their point of view. I don't see how to argue against that.

The return on that trade is pretty bad, considering we were still trying to compete. That would have been a throw-in-the-towel move, and we all understand that realistically Vivek was not going to do that. And even then, it would have left us with plenty of work to do to clear salary to sign Kuminga outright.
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For our team, in my opinion, it would have been better than the LaVine contract, as we could have used the pick or traded another pick to move salary and picked up Kuminga via an offer.

In my opinion, LaVine prevented us from making moves and could well have cost us Keon. The fact the worst owner in sports wouldn’t have done it is hardly an argument that it was not a better move.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Basically we wind up stuck with Huerter (and I am sorry, but where we were at with Huerter - thanks Brown, Monte, whoever f'd it up - we needed to move him) and all we get extra out of it is the 12th pick in this draft while not getting a single useable or movable contract in return.

You can blame Vivek for wanting some star power but unless he was willing to cut STH prices in half that is an unacceptably bad return even in the situation we were in. Plus a complete and total slap in the face to Monk, DDR and Domas and might be sending the wrong signals to Keegan and Keon.

Nobody on any of the process type rosters survived those rebuilds.
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Contracts that expire have a value if you can then use the space in free agency. What you were potentially getting with just a little bit of foresight was the ability to make an offer for Kuminga with very little competition.

But Vivek needed to chase the play-in and have his “star”. We know now even Monte thought it was a dumb move but he has lost Vivek’s confidence. So instead we get the dumbest owner in sports building a fantasy team.
 
Tetsujin said:
This is the same website that declared Devin Carter was a bust after the first summer league game and then immediately did an about face after the second one so it’s par for the course for them lol
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It wouldn’t shock me if that feed is AI generated. The “writers” have social media pages but have zero history or engagement in the warriors fan or media community..and the articles are just so misinformed about both the Warriors and Kings.

Like they made an article dumping on Devin Carter as return but then released an article the next day suggesting Trey Lyles could probably get it done.

So I think Kings fans on this forum are the only ones who know anything about Blue Man Hoop lol
 
sactowndog said:
In my opinion, LaVine prevented us from making moves and could well have cost us Keon. The fact the worst owner in sports wouldn’t have done it is hardly an argument that it was not a better move.
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My point is that you don't ask a dog to carry your packs across the desert and you don't ask a camel to hunt. Vivek is what he is - call him the camel - but you insist on trying to frame every single thing this franchise does as if he were the dog. He's not the dog. If you keep trying to analyze his moves as if he's the dog, you're not going to get anywhere. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the camel.
 
Warhawk said:
While I usually agree with you, I think that trading Fox when we did was the right move. He was becoming a major distraction to the franchise and if we didn't trade him then we're sitting right now with "mystery injury" Fox demanding a trade AND a max extension. LaVine's contract is much more tolerable than what Fox was demanding (and just got because: Klutch).

Sometimes you really can't win. I think that's where we were. And if that's the case, get out early if you can.
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Eh, a distraction from what? The Kings were 25-24 at the time De'Aaron Fox was traded. This is the Western Conference. The 8th seed finished 14 games over .500 last season. The 6th seed finished 16 games over .500. The Kings were not making up that kind of ground after a major mid-season trade. It almost never happens in the NBA. Roster shifts like that at the deadline are disruptive more often than not. The season was essentially lost the minute De'Aaron Fox demanded a trade. The Kings were consigned to the 9th or 10th seed, at best, whether or not they moved Fox.

We already knew he wanted a max extension and we already knew he was likely going to need surgery on his finger. Likewise, the Spurs already knew he wanted a max extension and already knew he was likely going to need surgery on his finger. And Chicago wasn't going to have any other suitors for Zach LaVine. Whatever "mystery injury" Fox may have suffered this off-season, it didn't stop San Antonio from inking him to that max extension, so they seem unconcerned by it. There was simply no downside to waiting to see how the array of possible outcomes developed in the off-season, after the draft reshaped the NBA landscape. It's harder for franchises under duress to maneuver at the trade deadline. You give away your leverage when you let the pressure of that deadline force your hand. That's exactly what Rich Paul wanted, and a franchise with greater conviction wouldn't have blinked. I stand by it.
 
Tetsujin said:
Collins 16.7
Tre Jones 9.1
Sidy 1.9
27.7 million dollars

De’Aaron Fox 34.8 mil

Unless I’m not mathing right (which to be fair, I’m probably not), doesn’t that barely not match the criteria for trade salary matching under the CBA?
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OK, so the math on trades under the current CBA goes like this:

Outgoing salaryMaximum incoming salary
$0 - $7.375M(Outgoing x 2) + $250K
$7.375M - $29MOutgoing + $7.5M
$29M - Any(Outgoing x 1.25) + $250K

27.7 + 7.5 comes up to 35.2, so it sneaks under.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
We're 57 million over the cap so wouldn't do us much good. Do I like the deal? No. Do I like LaVine's salary? Also no. Is he a good fit on this roster as constructed? That would be strike three.

He's also a good player and not dead money.
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How do you define dead money? He is a negative value contract and a poor fit with the other players on this roster. We still lack forwards of any potential past Keegan.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
My point is that you don't ask a dog to carry your packs across the desert and you don't ask a camel to hunt. Vivek is what he is - call him the camel - but you insist on trying to frame every single thing this franchise does as if he were the dog. He's not the dog. If you keep trying to analyze his moves as if he's the dog, you're not going to get anywhere. You have to put yourself in the shoes of the camel.
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Why?

This location is a message board to discuss personnel moves. If I was dumb enough to take an actual job with the Kings your point would be valid. Sad but valid.

As for validity, we should be constrained by league collective bargaining rules but I see no reason to be constrained by Vivek’s stupidity.
 
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