we can still sign and trade bonzi!?

[moradi420]

I still think theres a chance we could do a sign and trade with bonzi. you think he's gonna take the mle just to spite us, i highly doubt that. he probably wont be able to get more than 35 anywhere else, but he wont be able to get even close to that if he doesnt do a sign and trade.

So overall do u guys think we could still get something for bonzi?

 

[Bricklayer]

I still think theres a chance we could do a sign and trade with bonzi. you think he's gonna take the mle just to spite us, i highly doubt that. he probably wont be able to get more than 35 anywhere else, but he wont be able to get even close to that if he doesnt do a sign and trade.

So overall do u guys think we could still get something for bonzi?

Reports indicate no.

I am inclined to believe them because of this: signing Salmons pinned us against the luxury tax threhhold. So unless we (meaning the Maloofs) suddenly become willing to exceed that limit, there can be no Bonzi S&T -- any such trade would involve us taking back equal salary (well within 25%) of whatever Bonzi was going to get paid, and that would shoot us over the tax limit.

I would certainly have my fingers crossed -- a Bonzi S&T for a big could still salve some of the sting, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[HndsmCelt]

I think it is possibe but would require a multi-player deal to stay under/get close to the tax threshold. But I also would expect taht GP tried and there just was no deal out there that made sense, espcially given the kind of money Bonzi seemed to be asking for.

 

[AleksandarN]

Reports indicate no.

I am inclined to believe them because of this: signing Salmons pinned us against the luxury tax threhhold. So unless we (meaning the Maloofs) suddenly become willing to exceed that limit, there can be no Bonzi S&T -- any such trade would involve us taking back equal salary (well within 25%) of whatever Bonzi was going to get paid, and that would shoot us over the tax limit.

I would certainly have my fingers crossed -- a Bonzi S&T for a big could still salve some of the sting, but I'm not holding my breath.

I hope we can exceed the cap this year if it means we have a chance at getting Jamal. The big plus would that his contract expires this year so the Maloofs would not be stuck with a large contract for many years. That might make deal more of a reality then just wishful thinking I hope.

 

[moradi420]

i kinda think we should've tryed to offer bonzi a deal for like 40 million over 5 years, maybe that wouldn't have been enough of a differnece. I know hes worth more than that in his current state, but people are worried about down the line. The only thing is that NBA players usually get more than there worth, nene's getting more than hes worth, wilcox wants more than hes worth, and ben wallace is gonna prove next year that he got WAY more than hes worth. We were all talking about what the forum would be like when bonzi was 33 or 34 or 35, think of what the chicago bulls forum will be like in less than two years when they realize ben was made great becasue of the players surrounding him.

 

[ParniValjak]

The only way I see us doing a sign and trade for Bonzi is if there is a healthy trade exception coming our way. Otherwise, it just doesn't seem all that realistic.

 

[SacTownKid]

If they are letting Bonzi walk then Celt is right. There most likely isn't a deal out there to be had.

 

[ezekielbear]

Can it happen? Yes.

Will it? No.

 

[Kings113]

Should it? I don't know.

 

[Ryle]

With this signing and Douby's contract this puts us at about 61.5 mil in salaries for this coming season(Salmons contract starts at 4.4 mill). The luxury tax for next year is projected to kick in at about 64.5 mil which give us about 3 mill in wiggle room. The good thing about his is we also have just under 12 million in expiring contracts that can be traded to bring in another player in return and the luxury tax is calculated on salaries at the end of the season.

So, my point is we are not done and I think you will see some movement to get us what we need.

 

[Warhawk]

i kinda think we should've tryed to offer bonzi a deal for like 40 million over 5 years, maybe that wouldn't have been enough of a differnece.

OK, this is getting a bit frustrating - how do you know what Bonzi was offered? GP said they had made several offers to Bonzi. Was $40 mil/5 years one of the offers? I don't know. Do you?

Please share your insight into the exact nature of the negotiations and offers made and counteroffers proposed, if you have any....

 

[LA King Fan II]

Bonzi is a hard nosed basketball player. Good. As good as he looked against San Antonio? Not in my opinion. He was bombing THREES!

And....he did get hurt again in the final game of the Series (think it was a hamstring - or was it game 5?). Carrying the poundage can lead to more of the same in the coming years and sounds like it was a factor in the negotiations.

I don't think he's a $10 million dollar player, and don't think he'll get it from anyone. Then again Peja did. For 5 minutes though a few years back, Peja looked the part. Don't know if Bonzi ever has considering his teetering mindset.

sure wish we could have gotten Foster and Tinsley instead in a sign and trade. I dunno maybe Salmons is better than we/I think. I've never seen him, and we have been under-sized at point guard for years.

 

[BigWaxer]

Peja has nothing to do with this? IMO he is a better player then Bonzi. You do have to score to win games. Use Peja right and there ya go, prolly not worth what he got but pretty close. Well and take a minus for the lack of heart thing. haha

 

[moradi420]

OK, this is getting a bit frustrating - how do you know what Bonzi was offered? GP said they had made several offers to Bonzi. Was $40 mil/5 years one of the offers? I don't know. Do you?

Please share your insight into the exact nature of the negotiations and offers made and counteroffers proposed, if you have any....

I never read that petrie made several offers, I had read that he made the one offer, and phillips said something like "quite frannkly it wasn't fair". Also if those weight stipulations/clasues are true then of course bonzi might be a wee bit offended, not only by the pay decrease, but by the weight clauses. I was just saying that we should have started negotiations with a number that was itleast equal to what he was making last year, 8 million. which would have been 5 yrs 40 milion, and f the weight clauses. Overall i just think its kinda an insult to bonzi, especially since there are a lot of players that should have this stipulation and don't (all the centers on the new york knicks)

 

[moradi420]

what's "IMO" and "IMHO"

 

[Kingzrool]

what's "IMO" and "IMHO"

I am guessing, but I think it means "in my [honest] opinion"???

 

[Farms Block]

IMHO=in my humble opinion


I think 40 million over 5 is too much, I also think that talking about Bonzi is getting old, he's gone, woulda been cool if he stayed, water under the bridge at this point.

Bonzi made a name for himself and got his spotlight in the playoffs, but as I've heard several other people say he most likely will not play to that caliber all the time, as his stats show. Although it was an impressive six game performance, Geoff has never really ever let us down (-Cwebb). Welcome John Salmons, tear it up out there bro.

 

[Warhawk]

I never read that petrie made several offers, I had read that he made the one offer, and phillips said something like "quite frannkly it wasn't fair".

I was just saying that we should have started negotiations with a number that was itleast equal to what he was making last year, 8 million.

Frankly, Phillips' job is to try to drive up Bonzi's price. What do you expect him to say?

GP said in his interview yesterday that multiple offers were made, not just one.

What is "fair" can be determined by what the market will bear.

If you are a realtor (Phillips) and you have a house to sell (Bonzi) but most of the people in town can't afford it at the price you are asking (say, $10 million) but one buyer offers $7 million, do you turn it down to take $5 million from another buyer? You have to sell the house. If you cannot get the lone buyer to move up, you lower your expectations, because that is what the market can bear. Otherwise your house goes unsold (Spreewell, anyone?)....

Why should the Kings start bidding against themselves? What financial sense does that make? Maybe the offer did go up to 5/$40 but he wanted 5/$50. Maybe it went to 2/$18 but Bonzi wanted 5 years. Point is, it is all specualtion until we hear details, and getting mad over speculation is pointless.

 

[nbrans]

Does anyone know where there's a list of outstanding trade exceptions? Because I guess it's possible that if a team were willing to take on some of our excess baggage (i.e. Pot, Corliss) for a trade exception we could still S&T Bonzi for a good player and be under the tax level. Probably not likely, but it's possible.

 

[Troy]

Does anyone know where there's a list of outstanding trade exceptions? Because I guess it's possible that if a team were willing to take on some of our excess baggage (i.e. Pot, Corliss) for a trade exception we could still S&T Bonzi for a good player and be under the tax level. Probably not likely, but it's possible.

How the heck did Indy manage that? They sure lucked out when Peja walked and now got Harrington out of it. It's kind of like in Baseball when you strike out and the ball ends up in the dirt and you run to 1st base anyways. It's those kind of grey areas that need to be explored. Also it really sucks that we cannot keep out free agents. I know we made a fair offer, but the Maloofs have to open their wallets like they said they would especially now since they are willing to open them really big for the new Arena if it passes that is. Cannot we retain our free agents?

 

[ezekielbear]

Does anyone know where there's a list of outstanding trade exceptions? Because I guess it's possible that if a team were willing to take on some of our excess baggage (i.e. Pot, Corliss) for a trade exception we could still S&T Bonzi for a good player and be under the tax level. Probably not likely, but it's possible.

Not trying to pimp a site...just helping out.

Formerly A Link to a sports site

 

[Warhawk]

How the heck did Indy manage that? They sure lucked out when Peja walked and now got Harrington out of it.

Indy paid NO $250,000 (IIRC) cash to help convince them to do a S&T instead of losing him for nothing.

 

[moradi420]

i think i read somewhere that n.o. was a little worried g.s. could get al harrington, wich would mean more compettion to make the playoffs, so they agreed to a S & T in order to up indy's chances of landing al, meaning g.s. still sucks and n.o. has more of a chance to make the playoffs. I tmakes sense, it could just be speculation though, although why just give up the trade exception when you already had peja in the bag

 

[nbrans]

ok, so, using the Sports Site that apparently shall not be named, the following teams have meaningful trade exceptions (i.e. over $3,000,000):

Boston - 4,381,459
Houston - 3,313,000
Indiana - 7,500,000 (already earmarked for Harrington)
Philadelphia - 4,650,000, 3,801,653
Phoenix - 3,700,000

Hmm.. Can't see Boston, and I don't think Houston has anything we'd want. Doubt Phoenix would want Bonzi. So Bonzi to Philly maybe? Looks like his only shot.

 

[Bricklayer]

ok, so, using the Sports Site that apparently shall not be named, the following teams have meaningful trade exceptions (i.e. over $3,000,000):

Boston - 4,381,459
Houston - 3,313,000
Indiana - 7,500,000 (already earmarked for Harrington)
Philadelphia - 4,650,000, 3,801,653
Phoenix - 3,700,000

Hmm.. Can't see Boston, and I don't think Houston has anything we'd want. Doubt Phoenix would want Bonzi. So Bonzi to Philly maybe? Looks like his only shot.

Pierce is looking for veteran help in Beantown -- Boston could be in play.

Houston would probably love to have him, but as you mentioned, they have nothing that anybody wants in return.

 

[kpm308]

Can a team with plenty of cap room like Charlotte sign and trade Bonzi to another team or does it have to be the team that he played for?

 

[moradi420]

im 99.9% sure that any team can do a sign and trade with bonzi, not just sacto, so ya charlotte could do that

 

[ezekielbear]

Can a team with plenty of cap room like Charlotte sign and trade Bonzi to another team or does it have to be the team that he played for?

They have rules to prevent that. If he was to sign, he could not be traded for a matter of months.

And if Bonzi is to go to another team, without a S&T from the Kings, he will lose his Bird Rights...costing him more money.

In other words...Bonzi's agent is a bafoon.

 

[HndsmCelt]

They have rules to prevent that. If he was to sign, he could not be traded for a matter of months.

And if Bonzi is to go to another team, without a S&T from the Kings, he will lose his Bird Rights...costing him more money.

In other words...Bonzi's agent is a bafoon.

Yup
I hinted at this else where that the Salmons deal in many ways was a public B&%#H slap to Philips. Letting him and other agents know that they do NOT hold all the cards and if they screw with (GP/Maloofs) they could end up a joke that LOST money for their client. And I have to say if I was in THEIR shoes I would do somthing similar.

 

[Troy]

They have rules to prevent that. If he was to sign, he could not be traded for a matter of months.

And if Bonzi is to go to another team, without a S&T from the Kings, he will lose his Bird Rights...costing him more money.

In other words...Bonzi's agent is a bafoon.

Isn't Bonzi still are property? I know he didn't agree to our offer and we signed Solomon, but can we still get utility out of the situation or is he now going to sign with another team for less $?

What the heck is going on? We offer the most, he says he wants to stay in Sac and it's the organizations call, people love him hear and chant his name here in Sacto in the playoffs (many fans here consider him their favorite player), and then doesn't like the offer and thinks he should get $10M/yr for 5 years, which nobody is willing to do anywhere.
Since he is screwed, you think we can still get some good out of this crappy situation???