Was Douby a wasted pick?

Spike said:
While his size is a part of the issue, you're failing to see the TYPE of player he is. Douby is a shoot-first guard. That's the role he played at Rutgers, which is NOT what the Kings need him to be.
I wouldn't go attacking the other posts, though because of wackiness. SAR has been a starter before...a pretty decent one actually. Garcia is maturing as a player, and it wouldn't surprise me if he were to eventually start. Salmons did OK as a starter.

BTW, there are plenty of tall and lacky [sic] wide receivers in the NFL. It all depends on the system for which they're drafted, which I think is the crux of the argument. Unfortunately, Douby's the square peg in the round hole.
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The Kings love shoot first point guards. Bobby Jackson and Beno are two of them. Bibby was another. I've seen games Beno shoots and shoots and shoots before beginning to look to pass, and that's exactly what Theus wants. I've also seen Douby make some very fine passes off the dribble, which may indicate there is more to come...
 
complete waste of a pick... we could have had famar or sergio... and we wouldnt be having all these debates about keeping beno...
 
I dont think it is ever a good idea to draft a small shooter like douby. First they are a dime a dozen you can find that type of player for cheap. (nba cheap) Also unless you are going to play small AKA golden state it is hard to fit that type of player into the offense.

Wasted pick? YES should have traded the pick for something else maybe a pf.
 
Kingzrool said:
At this point, I'd rather have Douby at the point than Garcia. We will see next season, but right now I tend to think Garcia was more of a bust. I still like the Douby pick.
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Really? Garcia can play 2 positions solidly and play an emergency PG, was picked later in the draft than Douby (23rd vs. 19th), can start and contribute and hit big shots. Douby can't get off the bench because he can only play SG. Garcia is averaging 18 PPG + 3 assists with 50% shooting as a starting guard. Could Douby even think about starting? We should have picked Josh Boone or Lowry IMO. Douby has shown absolutely nothing except the ability to take bad shots and occasionally hit them.
 
Garcia a bust? I think not. As soon as he learns to use his passion for the game to his advantage he can really become even more of a impact player, more than he is now.

BTW i met garcia last year at a rite aid in natomas we were both waiting for the pharmacist at 1 in the morning and ended up having around a 45 min talk about the kings and where to find good hispanic food in Sac-town lol
 
Kingzrool said:
At this point, I'd rather have Douby at the point than Garcia. We will see next season, but right now I tend to think Garcia was more of a bust. I still like the Douby pick.
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You crazy? Read my sig.. That's Garcia's stats this year as a starter...
 
I think drafting Douby was a mistake for us. It wasn't necessarily a bad move at the time, but the way he's been used since doesn't really make a lot of sense. He's always been a shooting guard, not a point guard. He was drafted for his shooting. That was the one skill where he stood out over the competition. But looking at what he's done with the Kings, he's been asked to be a playmaker when he'd probably be better suited as a spot-up shooter. The argument at the time was that Douby could replace Bobby Jackson, who we'd just lost in the Bonzi trade. Of course, that doesn't take into account that Bobby Jackson was nearly an NBA washout until Petrie took a chance on him. I think it's very possible that Douby eventually settles into a comfortable niche in the NBA. But the chances of that happening in Sacramento are declining by the year and without much playing time to show for it. If you're going to give a guy a chance to prove himself, then give him a chance. If you're expecting him to magically transform into an NBA player while sitting on the bench, you're basically just renting him until some other team that can use him picks him up and reaps the benefits. So yes, I do think he was a wasted pick for us. Not that he's a bad player, but there were other players of comparable talent available who actually would have had a role on our roster. We needed a backup PG in the worst way and we passed on five of them. (Rajon Rondo, Sergio Rodriguez, Kyle Lowry, Jordan Farmar, Marcus Williams) I can almost guarantee you that any of those five guys would have a rotation spot by now.
 
I think Douby was a "what if" pick. You know, as in "what if Martin doesn't fulfill his potential as a shooter?"
 
RIP miyagi said:
I think he was a wasted pick, since we drafted 3 shooting guards in a row. The roles that salmons and francisco play are the ones that douby should play, and at this point, i would rather have them in the games than douby. We should have drafted marcus williams. Maybe then we wouldn't have anthony johnson running the court. is it just me or does the team seem to fall off tremendously when he steps on the court? Ide rather have Mikki Moore run the point than him.
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Au Contrare mon ami!!

Kevin is a 2-3, Cisco more a 3 who can play the 2 and Douby is only a 2 who they would like to also be a 1 because of his D. Douby is a couple inches shorter than the other two with long arms and is quick, he just needs more experience.
 
Douby can become a decent bench guy that plays SG in a small lineup, or dual guard in a Martin(G)/Douby(G)/Garcia(SF) lineup with both Garcia, and Douby bringing the ball up. But by no means is he a pure point, or could ever start as a point. That's not his position. He's an undersized 2, and at best a bench player.
 
Could still see him as a Steve Kerr-type sharpshooting role player. Of course, those players are infinitely more useful when you have something to build around, so he seems out of place now.
 
If we never play him then of course he is a wasted pick. Just as Gerald Wallace was essentially a wasted pick for us.
 
I think it was a waste of a pick. Douby hasn't proven anything imo. I still think we should've taken Marcus Williams, even tho I know we never scouted him. And yes, I know he hasn't proven anything either, but at least he's a natural PG instead of an undersized scoring SG
 
SacKings7 said:
I think it was a waste of a pick. Douby hasn't proven anything imo. I still think we should've taken Marcus Williams, even tho I know we never scouted him. And yes, I know he hasn't proven anything either, but at least he's a natural PG instead of an undersized scoring SG
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ahhhh Marcus Williams.. Remember my thread "5:00 to Marcus Williams"? lol.. Still think we should have taken Williams.
 
fnordius said:
Anybody who plays 16 hours in 2 years is a wasted pick, IMO.
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If Mr. Douby was more aggressive in taking the ball to the basket, and wasn't just primarily a jump shooter, his worth would be a lot more...look at what happened to Kevin Martin once he started being aggressive and more creative with the basketball...not that I'm comparing the two because I'm not...I'm just saying...he's too one dimensional.
 
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Best case for Douby would've been a Bobby Jackson role behind the 2/1, but with Martin at the two, that will never happen. He's not enough of a PG for us to go without one for long stretches, and Martin isn't enough of a facilitator to balance it out. We passed on a potential starting PG for a back-up.
 
VF21 said:
Garcia plays best at the 3. Beno, Martin, Garcia, PF to be named later, Hawes is what I'm thinking the Kings team of 2010+ could easily look like.
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Well me and you both know we will almost never agree on anything but in good nature'd discussion imo Garcia was drafted because the kings were so unsure about Martin. However both turned out to be solid players.
 
Uh, Paul's listed height is 6'0". I won't speak to whether that's legitimate height or "program height," but six feet tall is a perfectly normal height for an NBA point guard. He certainly isn't under-sized.
 
Just beceause a guys name is Douby there is no reason to jump to the conclusion that he was wasted when we picked him. :cool:
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Uh, Paul's listed height is 6'0". I won't speak to whether that's legitimate height or "program height," but six feet tall is a perfectly normal height for an NBA point guard. He certainly isn't under-sized.
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Undersized is more like Brevin Knight (5'10" in shoes, if I remember right). And I'd love to have Knight, if he were about 20 instead of approaching retirement. A pass-first PG who is a great defender, how wonderfully... un-Kings.

Too bad Douby isn't a PG.
 
VF21 said:
Garcia plays best at the 3. Beno, Martin, Garcia, PF to be named later, Hawes is what I'm thinking the Kings team of 2010+ could easily look like.
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I like most of that, although with three drafts between now and then (most of them likely lottery) I would hope that we have the PF to be named, but also a PG to be named later. I love Beno, but would love to see him as a 15 minute a game backup behind a stud PG. But we can all dream...
 
jcassio said:
So whatever happened to Travis Mays? Didn't we trade him for Spud Webb? Did he end up a bust with the Hawks or what?
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I think he blew out his knee shortly after being traded. If I recall correctly, he was never a factor after that. I don't remember the specifics, but I am almost positive it was a knee injury...
 
Rain man said:
I think he blew out his knee shortly after being traded. If I recall correctly, he was never a factor after that. I don't remember the specifics, but I am almost positive it was a knee injury...
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It was one of his ankles- tendons ruptured. He's an assistant coach for LSU's womens basketball team, and there was an article about him just recently.
 
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