Waiting for whales and latest news, rumors, etc.

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I honestly can't stand Bruski's manner on twitter, no doubt he's a nice guy in real life but on twitter he just sounds like an ***.

not to mention his ludicrous statements about the kings.

I don't mind Bruski, it's good that we have people like him, Carmichael Dave and Tom Ziller giving the REAL story, and setting the rest of the nation straight...and yes, sometimes it gets snippy, but frankly I find Chris Daniels, for an Emmy Award winning reporter, to be an annoying homer, who posts ALOT more ludicrous things than Bruski, same with that 'Softy' guy, and Darren Rovell...and he REALLY must not like responding to the truth I tweet him, because I have yet to hear anything back from him...and yes, I do keep it clean, just the facts, but I don't think the rest of the country wants to hear the truth. #rosecoloredSeattleglasses #smh

 

[whozit]

I don't mind Bruski, it's good that we have people like him, Carmichael Dave and Tom Ziller giving the REAL story, and setting the rest of the nation straight...and yes, sometimes it gets snippy, but frankly I find Chris Daniels, for an Emmy Award winning reporter, to be an annoying homer, who posts ALOT more ludicrous things than Bruski, same with that 'Softy' guy, and Darren Rovell...and he REALLY must not like responding to the truth I tweet him, because I have yet to hear anything back from him...and yes, I do keep it clean, just the facts, but I don't think the rest of the country wants to hear the truth. #rosecoloredSeattleglasses #smh

He said, she said and the truth is somewhere in between. A Seattle proponent would reverse the roles and think they are absolutely correct. I am looking forward to the developments unfold this week. Kevin Johnson and his team has done a remarkable job of keeping the Sacramento narrative going. It may just be my biased opinion but it seems some of the national media have backed away from the "done deal" mantra.

 

[The Hammer]

He said, she said and the truth is somewhere in between. A Seattle proponent would reverse the roles and think they are absolutely correct. I am looking forward to the developments unfold this week. Kevin Johnson and his team has done a remarkable job of keeping the Sacramento narrative going. It may just be my biased opinion but it seems some of the national media have backed away from the "done deal" mantra.

They totally have. Which is exactly why he let them go at that in the beginning, and anybody with knowledge of the situation and vision could have easily seen this coming. The more "certain" they painted it, the more questionable it seems when just the slightest doubt is raised. It's a kind of reverse PR leverage. Now, once the momentum shifts back our way, precisely because of how "certain" it was, Seattle's credibility is destroyed... "well wasn't this supposed to be a done deal? Slam dunk??" They over promised and under delivered, and we'll under promise and over deliver. It'll raise doubt as to the integrity behind Seattle's early claims, and that loss of confidence will bleed over into doubts about whether an arena deal can get done, etc.

However the PR war is really just a way of making it easy for Stern to do his job. KJ is the consumate playmaker here. He's setting up a weakness in the defense and will pass to Stern who will have a wide open layup.

I cannot emphasize enough how impressed I am with KJ. I have NEVER seen a politician this skilled. I think his team is helping quite a bit though. In particular Chris Lehane.

 

[kennadog]

City Manager John Shirey is one smart cookie, too. I like him

Bucher is crap as a reporter. What tends to blow his credibility, or his sources credibility, is the fact that the City Manager is asking the council on Tuesday to give approval to officially enter into arena negotiations with an investment group.

 

[Kingsfan23]

I honestly can't stand Bruski's manner on twitter, no doubt he's a nice guy in real life but on twitter he just sounds like an ***.

not to mention his ludicrous statements about the kings.

Bruski is a homer. Folks on here complaining about one sided journalists from Seattle, why do you like it from Sacramento either?

 

[Kingsfan23]

I've been known to have some psychic powers in the past.. today is the day, 2/25/2013 we hear something of significance regarding the arena situation

 

[UK_King]

I don't mind Bruski, it's good that we have people like him, Carmichael Dave and Tom Ziller giving the REAL story, and setting the rest of the nation straight...and yes, sometimes it gets snippy, but frankly I find Chris Daniels, for an Emmy Award winning reporter, to be an annoying homer, who posts ALOT more ludicrous things than Bruski, same with that 'Softy' guy, and Darren Rovell...and he REALLY must not like responding to the truth I tweet him, because I have yet to hear anything back from him...and yes, I do keep it clean, just the facts, but I don't think the rest of the country wants to hear the truth. #rosecoloredSeattleglasses #smh

I don't agree to be honest. All i want to hear is the ACTUAL story, where are we, whats the REAL chances of sac keeping this team. If you listen to Bruski you'd think this was a home run deal for SAC. Daniels hasn't painted that picture at all for Seattle IMO. I don't think he's said anything particularly interesting or investigative, just whats happening.

Bruski has taken it upon himself to be sacs bulldog, fair enough, good on him, but he reports absolutely everything in a wondrous glowing light for Sacramento. I don't doubt in a potentially painful situation like this some want to hear that but it isn't straight reporting, add to that his basketball related stuff is completely ludicrous in the extreme and just pot shots and hyperbole.

 

[nebs]

Daniels comes off as a huge Seattle tool to me. Only in recent days has he opened his eyes IMO.

Bruski knows what's up, that's why he's confident. IMO FWIW TBPH

 

[Kingster]

Cetology

I'm up in the crow's nest looking for blue whales, fin whales, sperm whales, humpback whales, killer whales, and even white whales. Haven't seen anything yet...

 

[kennadog]

Hopefully its the killer whales that show up. With a big appetite for eating up the competition.

 

[The Hammer]

Hopefully its the killer whales that show up. With a big appetite for eating up the competition.

Biology nerd alert.

A killer whale is actually the largest member of the dolphin family. It's not a whale. That said, I think we have a predatory creature lurking that is about to do nature's version of "reduce, re-use, and recycle".

 

[kingjatt]

Dont have access to twitter right now so i cant get the link, but bryan may says the mayor will have "big news" at the state of the city address on thursday......sounds like the whales may finally be announced!

 

[whozit]

Dont have access to twitter right now so i cant get the link, but bryan may says the mayor will have "big news" at the state of the city address on thursday......sounds like the whales may finally be announced!

Aaron Bruski ‏@aaronbruski
RT @Aykis16: FWIW @aaronbruski reported a couple hours ago that he heard whales would be announced by Friday or sooner.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave
Two sources confirm whales will be announced this Thursday at Mayor's State of the City address. Waiting on city to confirm....

 

[Kingsfan23]

Aaron Bruski ‏@aaronbruski
RT @Aykis16: FWIW @aaronbruski reported a couple hours ago that he heard whales would be announced by Friday or sooner.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave
Two sources confirm whales will be announced this Thursday at Mayor's State of the City address. Waiting on city to confirm....

Yeah, thats not saying much given the March 1 deadline

 

[Warhawk]

Aaron Bruski ‏@aaronbruski
RT @Aykis16: FWIW @aaronbruski reported a couple hours ago that he heard whales would be announced by Friday or sooner.

Carmichael Dave ‏@CarmichaelDave
Two sources confirm whales will be announced this Thursday at Mayor's State of the City address. Waiting on city to confirm....

Awesome - got my tickets already. I'll be sitting in the sea of Crown Downtown white.

 

[Warhawk]

Yeah, thats not saying much given the March 1 deadline

Well, considering they haven't opened "formal" negotiations yet (vote on that tomorrow night), that didn't leave much room until Friday anyways. But it is always good to get confirmation, right?

 

[ParniValjak]

http://sacramento.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?meta_id=395243&view=&showpdf=1

It should be recognized that the 2012 structure, and all its detail, will likely change in this scenario.
New owners of the team will likely expect different business arrangements and terms to account for
potential differences in proposed approach. Potential differences could include: a) a project location
other than the Railyards; b) less development risk exposure to the City for design, construction and
cost control as a result of the new owners potentially taking the lead in development; and c) ancillary
real estate development opportunities in addition to an arena or other elements that bring measurable
economic benefits and returns to the City General Fund and the developer. These are just a few
examples of the many possible differences, none of which can be quantified until we engage in formal
discussions.

Hmmm...interesting!

 

[The Hammer]

http://sacramento.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?meta_id=395243&view=&showpdf=1

It should be recognized that the 2012 structure, and all its detail, will likely change in this scenario.
New owners of the team will likely expect different business arrangements and terms to account for
potential differences in proposed approach. Potential differences could include: a) a project location
other than the Railyards; b) less development risk exposure to the City for design, construction and
cost control as a result of the new owners potentially taking the lead in development; and c) ancillary
real estate development opportunities in addition to an arena or other elements that bring measurable
economic benefits and returns to the City General Fund and the developer. These are just a few
examples of the many possible differences, none of which can be quantified until we engage in formal
discussions.


Hmmm...interesting!

Reading this is so much better than telling bad whale jokes to pass the time.

 

[Livinthedream]

Bruski has taken it upon himself to be sacs bulldog, fair enough, good on him, but he reports absolutely everything in a wondrous glowing light for Sacramento. I don't doubt in a potentially painful situation like this some want to hear that but it isn't straight reporting, add to that his basketball related stuff is completely ludicrous in the extreme and just pot shots and hyperbole.

I get that you don't like Bruski's style, but he hasn't said anything untrue about the Kings/arena situation. As far as his opinions on basketball related stuff, it's just that. His opinion. I have no problems with it. As far as pot shots and hyperbole, who is going to follow you long term on Twitter if you don't have a personality on there? His articles on PBT are solid and don't include the pot shots.

 

[Livinthedream]

http://sacramento.granicus.com/MetaViewer.php?meta_id=395243&view=&showpdf=1



Hmmm...interesting!

This is good news. I know some have had concerns about the DTP site because it would change the original plan and make it potentially harder to get this done in time. But if it comes with less risk to the city AND real estate development opportunities, you have to make it work.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

This is good news. I know some have had concerns about the DTP site because it would change the original plan and make it potentially harder to get this done in time. But if it comes with less risk to the city AND real estate development opportunities, you have to make it work.

And I think its enough to sway Darrell Fong...McCarty, not so much, I'm sure. Oh well, even without Fong 'yes' vote, it's still 7-2...I don't see anyone else changing their votes, should be firm.

 

[ParniValjak]

I am not against the site change, in fact with my limited knowledge of the area (having never been in Sacramento) it makes more sense because you are making a downtown hub with shops, restaurants etc. My main concern here is the timeframes that we need to have. One thing that Sacramento has always had over Seattle is the arena deal that is on the table approved by the NBA and favourable to the new ownership group who ever that might be.

Change the site and just about everything needs to start from scratch. That puts more pressure than necessary but if that is the only way Burkle/Mastrov are onboard then it is absolutely worth a shot. I just hope the NBA is as onboard as they were with the railyards deal.

 

[Livinthedream]

Sacramento has had a bad habit of doing things the wrong way because it's faster, cheaper or politically easier. Suburban sprawl and poor freeways systems are examples. A couple of other examples are our stadiums. Part of the problem with Arco is that it was built cheap and now is not ideal for refurbishing or expanding. Same thing with Raley field. It was cheaper to get it done without making it expandable to major league size. Regardless of the reasons the two venues were built the way they were, one could argued that both of these short cuts threatens our chances of having two pro teams. I commend the city for having the foresight and guts to work harder and do it right. I'm sure Burkle has something to do with things being done right as well, as he's not going to make a bad investment.

 

[upinsmoke]

Sacramento has had a bad habit of doing things the wrong way because it's faster, cheaper or politically easier. Suburban sprawl and poor freeways systems are examples. A couple of other examples are our stadiums. Part of the problem with Arco is that it was built cheap and now is not ideal for refurbishing or expanding. Same thing with Raley field. It was cheaper to get it done without making it expandable to major league size. Regardless of the reasons the two venues were built the way they were, one could argued that both of these short cuts threatens our chances of having two pro teams. I commend the city for having the foresight and guts to work harder and do it right. I'm sure Burkle has something to do with things being done right as well, as he's not going to make a bad investment.

Bingo. If KJ pulls this off it's going to be because Burkle steered him right but props to KJ for making the business connection. It's not what you know it's who you know in this life.

 

[ParniValjak]

Bingo. If KJ pulls this off it's going to be because Burkle steered him right but props to KJ for making the business connection. It's not what you know it's who you know in this life.

Look I got no doubt that these guys are working their backsides off to get this done and get it right but unfortunately the clock is ticking and there is really no way of stopping it. Hopefully, we don't run out of time because if we do, there won't be a ESC full stop regardless of whether they want it at downtown plaza or the railyards.

I know the guys are doing the right thing and looking at doing the best thing by all parties. I am just hopeful that the NBA is patient with it because the offer on the table from Seattle is pretty hard to turn down. One thing we absolutely had going for us was a more advanced arena deal and with the change of venue, we might have just lost that edge. I really hope we have not shot ourselves in the foot with this move because time is of essence for us.

 

[The Hammer]

Look I got no doubt that these guys are working their backsides off to get this done and get it right but unfortunately the clock is ticking and there is really no way of stopping it. Hopefully, we don't run out of time because if we do, there won't be a ESC full stop regardless of whether they want it at downtown plaza or the railyards.

I know the guys are doing the right thing and looking at doing the best thing by all parties. I am just hopeful that the NBA is patient with it because the offer on the table from Seattle is pretty hard to turn down. One thing we absolutely had going for us was a more advanced arena deal and with the change of venue, we might have just lost that edge. I really hope we have not shot ourselves in the foot with this move because time is of essence for us.

Shot ourselves in the foot? What move? I don't really know what you are talking about. A jackass family is trying to screw a franchise and have been and are being prevented at every turn.

Mike Tyson was the best defensive boxer I ever saw. He also happened to be the greatest knockout artist of his time, if not all time. KJ and crew have been playing Tyson-esque defense and the first serious punch is about to land in literally days.

The NBA will do the right thing. It will be a joy to watch unfold.

 

[Glenn]

I am not sure what the urgency is about where the arena is built. I think what we need right away is a partnership group that is OK with the BOG. Seattle doesn't have any plans for an arena either and that seemed adequate for the NBA right now. Am I missing something?

 

[JB_kings]

I am not sure what the urgency is about where the arena is built. I think what we need right away is a partnership group that is OK with the BOG. Seattle doesn't have any plans for an arena either and that seemed adequate for the NBA right now. Am I missing something?

It's important because it's all in the level of details of the offer. You can't work up who gets what revenue without going into the specifics of where the arena is to be built. It changes the landscape of the deal entirely. Many assumed the easiest thing would be to walk in and accept the deal from last year. But consider this, if you are partnering to do a deal that will run upwards of a billion dollars, don't you want to do your own due diligence and structure the deal so it works for you? I know the NBA blessed last year's deal, but they also played a big role in contributing cash and loaning the Maloofs money. They probably won't be too upset to find that role reduced.

 

[theclash4u5]

Anyone watching FOX40? Apparently the 12% holder of the Kings wants to buy the Kings completely...will have more tomorrow they said. He's worth 3.2B

 

[D-Mass]

FOX40 News @FOX40
Source: Minority owner John Kehriotis wants to buy the #Kings without any city money invovled.


FOX40 News ‏@FOX40
Source tells @JimCrandell that Kehriotis has $350 million, with a verbal commitment of $400 million. #Kings