Do not see what getting Anderson (PF) has to do with trading Gay (SF).
Vlade talking with Grant about our draft selections
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Do not see what getting Anderson (PF) has to do with trading Gay (SF).
ParniValjak
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
I am not a Euro expert but some of my best friends are Euros. 
If I remember correctly, any tall guy who gets regular minutes on a very good team in Europe and is 18 is a highly valued ball player. I think I even remember some great NBA player who got 10 minutes a game in Europe as a kid and turned out to be spectacular. I can't remember who.
If I remember correctly, any tall guy who gets regular minutes on a very good team in Europe and is 18 is a highly valued ball player. I think I even remember some great NBA player who got 10 minutes a game in Europe as a kid and turned out to be spectacular. I can't remember who.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I am not a Euro expert but some of my best friends are Euros.
RussoTuristo
G-League
Kirilenko played big minutes for CSKA when he was 16 (IIRC) but it is a very rare case.
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KingsFan80
Guest
Ok so you are saying he is a good player? I guess that is news to all 100 of the media who are giving us a draft grade D for taking him. I guess they are clueless too?
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KingsFan80
Guest
I would rather have Chriss than Skal and Papa. As I said, the trade worked out well and the Marco for the 22nd was miracle work, but to do all of that and take a project C at 13 was the mistake.
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KingsFan80
Guest
The Kings will not get anything of value from Free Agency. Guys like JR Smith, Evan F., Mike Conley, etc. are not going to come here. Our only chance is to make a difference in the draft. We cannot afford to be taking project picks at number 13
Every pick at 13 is a project pick. On average half the 1st round picks are out of the league by the time their rookie contracts are up. Let's at least wait until summer league and seeing the kid play before we decide what he will or won't be in the NBA.
If the Kings sign Ryan Anderson as many seem to think they will, they'll still have $17 million in cap room and Gay, Koufos and McLemore as trade bait. Crabbe, Lee, Rondo, Seth Curry, Solomon Hill, Matt Barnes, and a few others are legitimate free agent targets.
I'm just willing to see what the rookies look like in SL and what Vlade & co do this offseason before getting too upset. After all the losing seasons I guess I'd rather be optimistic until I have a reason not to be. It's too disappointing/stressful otherwise.
Telemachus
Starter
In case you are unaware, Chriss is a project as well. Most feel he is one of the biggest bust potential in the draft. If he does pan out, it will likely take years for him to develop.
Just for the record - I don't agree at all. Carry on.
beb0p
Starter
They are no more accurate than the Average Joe.
Let's revisit the disasterous 2012 draft. What did the media give the Kings for picking Thomas Robinson? Wow, an A+!!
And just for chuckle, let's see what the media gave Detroit for picking Drummond....
Glenn
Hall of Famer
100? Probably an exaggeration. Even so, yes they are clueless. I would place my bet on accuracy who has been aware of this kid since he was 14 and lives in Europe rather than people in this country not willing or not able to put in the work. Watch some videos and make up your own mind. Reading other people's opinions is nothing like seeing him play.
Who would you have preferred? It's not like there were huge guaranteed difference makers after pick #7.
Gtronic
Bench
This is the point many are missing. #13 draft picks since 1980 -- http://www.mynbadraft.com/nba-draft-picks/13th-overall/130509/
With Kobe and Malone being outliers.
notoriousBEN3
Bench
I personally have some concerns about the way the draft ended up, but i agree with many of you that it's probably best to withhold judgement until free agency is over and the final roster is settled.
When does free agency officially start?
When does free agency officially start?
Actually, you make a difference by taking stabs at projects, and getting starters+ out of them. You can get decent guys in FA, but it's having additional good players, often cost-controlled that makes a difference, and pushes you over the top.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Exactly! I doubt Chad ford ever watched a college game much less a European game. Their problem is they start believing their own stuff.
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KingsFan80
Guest
Chad Ford is only 1 person. You should google draft grades or listen to the Grant Napear show from Friday. A lot of people are unhappy about this pick as well as the media is ripping us for it. We could have drafted the guy at the end of the Round and it sounds like the Pistons fooled Vlade into taking him by saying they would at 18. Why would they tell Vlade that? We made a bad move but it is what it is. No reason to worry about it now, hopefully we can get someone in free agency
macadocious
Starter
He was going to Celtics at 16 or Detroit at 18 and there was a possibility of Phili trading up to get him as well.
As has been pointed out, the media consensus on draft grades immediately following the draft is not terribly reliable. The media loved the TRob and Jimmer picks, hated the Peja pick, for examples. Vlade and his staff are paid a lot of money and one of their responsibilities is to have a much better idea of the strengths and weaknesses of prospects and how the draft is going to go down than can be had by sitting around and reading DraftExpress on the weekends. Did you fly to Europe to scout Papagiannis? Because Vlade did. Have you been talking on the phone with the front offices of teams around the league, including Detroit, basically non-stop for weeks? Because Vlade has.
Papagiannis may pan out or Papagiannis may bust - the draft is somewhat of a crapshoot even for NBA front offices. But even if you turn out to be right and Vlade turns out to be wrong (and we won't know for years) I'd be cautious in patting yourself on the back. It's quite safe to say that Vlade knows a hell of a lot more about Papagiannis than you do, knows a hell of a lot more about NBA basketball than you, and is a hell of a lot more invested in the success of the Kings than you. At this point, the more you puff yourself up with your "I'm smarter than Vlade" act, the worse you're making yourself look.
Livinthedream
All-Star
In today's NBA, if you're any good with a high ceiling, your drafted after 1 year of college. If you play college for 4 years and become a good player, your ceiling was lower than the one and done and you've probably already maxed it out.
So yes, in today's game you have to draft potential and projects and then develop them
So yes, in today's game you have to draft potential and projects and then develop them
To repeat, I don't agree with you at all. Yu say it as a matter of fact, as I do.
ParniValjak
All-Star
That same media gave us A grade for McLemore and Jimmer and A+ for Thomas Robinson.
Fact is NONE of those 100 so called experts have watched many if any of Papagiannis' games so they are going on the presumption and not fact. Similar to what you are doing because if you knew ANYTHING about European basketball or the team Papagiannis was playing for you would realize just how laughable your comment is about his stats.
roasthawg
Starter
I don't agree with this. Guys like green, Steph, lillard, McCollum, etc all played three or four years... And they all continued to improve in the NBA.
Livinthedream
All-Star
Yeah, outside of Green, they all went to small schools. They were missed. Green is undersized. Didn't fit the mold, so was overlooked. There are always exceptions. You may disagree, but the fact that NBA teams year after year jump after the 18 y.o. player tells you how they perceive the situation.
Telemachus
Starter
It's not the notion that the more talented players come out earlier that is incorrect. It is the notion that older players can't improve much after they enter the league that is wrong. That is not to say that all of the talented players come out after one year, just that it is more likely.
Back in the 80s and 90s, most players stayed in school for 3 or 4 years, and continued to improve after they were drafted. The problem with this one -&-done era is that it makes it much harder to judge talent. Play 3+ years of college and all of your warts are more evident. As an example, if Skal had only played a few games this year (or not played), he probably would have been picked in the top 10. But if he stayed in school for 3 years while playing like he did this season, he wouldn't have been drafted at all. Today he still has "potential", after 3 years he doesn't.
I remember back in the early 90s, there was a young kid ranked #1 by everyone coming out of HS. He had a solid freshman season, but unspectacular for St. Johns. His problem was that he stayed at the same level the next 3 years and ended up being picked in the 2nd round. If he had come out after his freshman year, he may have been a lottery pick. BTW, his name was Felipe Lopez. I remember tuning into St. John's games to watch him his senior year only to have a young freshman named Ron Artest catch my eye.
It's sort of a balance isn't it? On one hand we mustn't think the media/ourselves have got it all right. On the other, it's also silly to place complete faith in GMs/ scouts just because they have done their homework. The number of high picks that end up being busts is a testament to that. And so as much as I'd be cautious to pat myself on the back, I would also be cautious to pat Vlade on the back, for example. Take Whiteside - with where he is now does Petrie deserve a pat on the back for drafting him? Who can really say for sure? We can only wait and hope for the best.
Do not know if this interview was posted before:
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/artic..._love_to_come_to_sacramento/s1_13822_21197476
Beside usual, Divac specifically mentions need to improvement at 1,2 AND 3.
When asked about DMC draft tweet, he stated that after the explanation DMC was fine (which implies he really was not fine before that)
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/artic..._love_to_come_to_sacramento/s1_13822_21197476
Beside usual, Divac specifically mentions need to improvement at 1,2 AND 3.
When asked about DMC draft tweet, he stated that after the explanation DMC was fine (which implies he really was not fine before that
)
RussoTuristo
G-League
I am at home this week and have been listening to a lot of radio. It is crazy how much they mock us and Divac 
. Just this morning some hosts were making fun of Divac on one of the XM stations like he is a dummy for taking Papagiannis, a second round talent, that high. It was almost Ric-Bucheresque.
I know we deserve some of it but still ... I hope Vlade will show all this stuff to George and he will use it as a chip on his shoulder. If it drives me mad, I am sure it will motivate Papagiannis. I do not know much about him but I trust Vlade that he scouted the guy and he was not a panic pick.
I always want our players, especially the young ones, to do good but I will definitely be pulling for George this upcoming season.
. Just this morning some hosts were making fun of Divac on one of the XM stations like he is a dummy for taking Papagiannis, a second round talent, that high. It was almost Ric-Bucheresque.I know we deserve some of it but still ... I hope Vlade will show all this stuff to George and he will use it as a chip on his shoulder. If it drives me mad, I am sure it will motivate Papagiannis. I do not know much about him but I trust Vlade that he scouted the guy and he was not a panic pick.
I always want our players, especially the young ones, to do good but I will definitely be pulling for George this upcoming season.
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