Utah revisited:

[bajaden]

Fesenko has been brought up a couple of times already on this fourm, and I thought I would revisit him. Utah picked up the option on him, which left myself and probably everyone else thinking he was off the board. I think they were hedging their bet on losing either Boozer or Okur, or both. Since both of them have decided not to opt out, and Utah has a projected salary of close to 72 mil, I would think they would be looking for any cap relief they can get.

Their still stuck with the concept that Boozer could still only be there for one year, and so they would still like to keep Millsap, which would push them even further over the cap. Fesenko made less than 1 mil last year and has just this one year left on his contract. He averaged almost one blocked shot a game despite only averaging around 7 minutes a game. So were talkin about a 7'1" 285 pound player thats only 22 years old. Lets also not forget that Utah just drafted Kosta Koufos, another young center.

So I think Fesenko can be had pretty cheaply. Technically we could just trade cap space and aquire him. Or perhaps a future second round pick. Which ever way we would go, he would give us a third big to try for one year. Thats certainlly worth a gamble..

 

[Vlade4GM]

I think they're looking to trade Boozer actually.

 

[bajaden]

I think they're looking to trade Boozer actually.

I don't doubt that, but easier said than done. Once again, we could accommadate them. But they would have to take back KT as part of the deal. It would save them around 4 mil next year. I'm just not sure if we would want to rent someone like Boozer for just one year and take away playing time from Thompson etc. Maybe if they were willing to throw in Fesenko as part of the deal.

I'd rather just try and get Fesenko. If they say no, then they say no...

 

[Nighthawk1]

My only thing about taking on Boozer, if we do help them with their capspace problems and knowing Boozer is probably only a one year rental do we then try to steal Fresenko and/or Maynor in the process of doing this "favor". I would think Utah would be after soley capspace and that is something we have that few teams can offer

 

[bajaden]

My only thing about taking on Boozer, if we do help them with their capspace problems and knowing Boozer is probably only a one year rental do we then try to steal Fresenko and/or Maynor in the process of doing this "favor". I would think Utah would be after soley capspace and that is something we have that few teams can offer

I would think that would be the only reason for doing this trade. I would see no point in just trading for Boozer knowing that he'll be gone in a year. There has to be something in it for us.

 

[HighTopKicks]

My only thing about taking on Boozer, if we do help them with their capspace problems and knowing Boozer is probably only a one year rental do we then try to steal Fresenko and/or Maynor in the process of doing this "favor". I would think Utah would be after soley capspace and that is something we have that few teams can offer

With the addition of Sergio along with our 3 draft choices our base salary is over $51M. If the cap drops as expected, we may not even have the cap space to pull off the Boozer for K9 deal let alone include Fresenko.

Having said that the deal only saves Utah around $5M in salary. Which isn't enough to allow them to resign Millsap without going over the Luxury Tax. I'm guessing rather than give up a young talent and a valuable player and replace them with a bench warmer, they'd pay the extra money or let Millsap walk. We just don't have enough cap space to make it worth their while. With Boozer they can make another championship run, substitute K9 for Boozer and they barely make the playoffs. So, they might as well go for broke and if it doesn't look like they'll get there, then move Boozer at the trade deadline and cut your loses.

Or, work out a deal with a team with real cap space.

 

[kpm308]

I've been thinking about a deal with Utah in which we send Nocioni to Utah for Harpring and Korver, who both have expiring contracts, and one of Fesenko or Koufos. This would save the Jazz around 10 million in salary/lux tax, and Nocioni becomes their long term replacement for the aging Harpring. Sloan would love him. For us, we use our capspace this year to acquire a young big man while clearing out extra salary cap room for next offseason.

I think a third team needs to be included in this one though, as Korver wouldn't be anything to us but an expiring, while a lot of teams would love to bring in his shooting and would be willing to give up an asset for him.

My best thought so far has been:

Sac sends Noc to Utah for Fesenko, Harpring, and Trenton Hassel

Utah sends Harpring, Fesenko, and Korver for Nocioni and Sean Williams

NJ sends Hassel and Williams for Korver

Sac spends a little money now but clears out a bunch for next years free agency. Brings in a young big, and a couple tough-guy defensive vets on expirings to help with our new tough-guy movement

Utah saves a ton of money while improving talent-wise, although I have reservations about how well Williams and Sloan will mesh

NJ trades an old guy on and expiring and a guy who will likely be squeezed out of minutes this year for a young shooter on a nice expiring contract.


Any good? Would Sac be better off trying to add a protected 1st and trying for Koufos? Would Utah even do this deal?

 

[bajaden]

With the addition of Sergio along with our 3 draft choices our base salary is over $51M. If the cap drops as expected, we may not even have the cap space to pull off the Boozer for K9 deal let alone include Fresenko.

Having said that the deal only saves Utah around $5M in salary. Which isn't enough to allow them to resign Millsap without going over the Luxury Tax. I'm guessing rather than give up a young talent and a valuable player and replace them with a bench warmer, they'd pay the extra money or let Millsap walk. We just don't have enough cap space to make it worth their while. With Boozer they can make another championship run, substitute K9 for Boozer and they barely make the playoffs. So, they might as well go for broke and if it doesn't look like they'll get there, then move Boozer at the trade deadline and cut your loses.

Or, work out a deal with a team with real cap space.

By my figuring our total salaries should be $51,444,225.00. Thats not including our second round pick. The cap last year was just under 59 mil. From everything I've read, it will either stay very close to that amount or drop slightly.

Boozer will make $12, 323,900.00 next year. KT wil make $8,775,000.00. A difference of only $3,548,900.00. So it would have to drop considerably for the Kings not to have enough room to make the trade. However, you could be right about the rest of the scenario. . Utah is over the luxury tax limit right now without doing anything. I believe that their projected salaries are at 72 mil, and I think the luxury tax limit was around 68 mil last year and projected to go down slightly this coming year.

So this trade could get them close to being under the luxury tax. How important is that to Utah? Your guess is as good as mine. Personally, if I'm Utah, and I couldn't win the whole banana last year with this team, why would I think I could win this coming year when I've made no improvements, and lost Millsap.

 

[Smills91]

I don't doubt that, but easier said than done. Once again, we could accommadate them. But they would have to take back KT as part of the deal. It would save them around 4 mil next year. I'm just not sure if we would want to rent someone like Boozer for just one year and take away playing time from Thompson etc. Maybe if they were willing to throw in Fesenko as part of the deal.

I'd rather just try and get Fesenko. If they say no, then they say no...

You could do something like:

Boozer, Fesenko and Miles

for

Kenny Thomas


That'd save them 7-8 million and it'd fill our roster to boot.

C: Hawes, Fesenko
PF: Boozer, Thompson, Brockman
SF: Nocioni, Greene, Casspi
SG: Martin, Garcia, Miles
PG: Evans, Beno, Rodriguez

I like that roster.

 

[AriesMar27]

pass on utah, boozer just isnt good enough. he couldnt do it with deron williams, how will he do it here with martin and beno?

 

[Bricklayer]

I sincerely sincerely doubt Utah is planning on dumping Boozer for salary cap room. They'll want a pick or a kid or something cheap along those lines as well. And that's where it gets dicey.

 

[AriesMar27]

if boozer wasnt a ufa next season then maybe we could try to make a trade but he isnt good enough to throw away a young player or future pick for him.

 

[Emma]

Why don't we just make Millsap an offer? I think Utah will be financially forced to let him walk.

 

[Smills91]

Why don't we just make Millsap an offer? I think Utah will be financially forced to let him walk.

Agreed.

 

[AriesMar27]

would milsap make this team better?

 

[Emma]

would milsap make this team better?

Millsap and Thompson have about the same production, but Millsap has been in the league 3 years. So, I'd say he is solid in rotation, but his ceiling isn't quite as high as Thompson's. (They may be the same age though). Millsap is also not averse to playing defense. So, yeah, he may make this team deeper and provide some bench defense.

 

[AriesMar27]

but does it make us better? if martin hadnt gotten injured we might have won a few more games.... but we would still suck, how does adding milsap make this team any better? we will still be last in our division if not the western conference. i like milsap but he is exactly the type of player we dont need if we are trying to develop thompson and hawes. similar production for more money, he would definitely stunt their growth. milsap wont get much better than he is now. thompson and hawes might be all stars one day. unless we are getting a real star player as well i dont see the point. unless utah wants to do a s&t for nocioni or beno... whos derons back up?

 

[LPKingsFan]

but does it make us better? if martin hadnt gotten injured we might have won a few more games.... but we would still suck, how does adding milsap make this team any better? we will still be last in our division if not the western conference. i like milsap but he is exactly the type of player we dont need if we are trying to develop thompson and hawes. similar production for more money, he would definitely stunt their growth. milsap wont get much better than he is now. thompson and hawes might be all stars one day. unless we are getting a real star player as well i dont see the point. unless utah wants to do a s&t for nocioni or beno... whos derons back up?

Good point. We don't need a Millsap. We already have our developing Milsap in Thompson. We should only be spending our $$$ on a player that addresses a major weakness (defense and shotblocking, especially) or is a star or potential star.

 

[HighTopKicks]

Why don't we just make Millsap an offer? I think Utah will be financially forced to let him walk.

Again I'll say, we do not have enough cap space to make more than a MLE offer to any FA's. Millsap is looking for $10M. The only way we can get someone for over the MLE is to make a trade. And, the only thing we have to trade is Noc, Garcia, Beno and K9. Finding someone we want on a team that wants one of our guys (without giving up one of our young talent) will be GP's great challenge this year.

 

[Emma]

Millsap is worth 10 million if he wants it over the course of 2 years. He's not a 10 mill per year starter. No wonder he isn't getting any offers. Do players / agents deign to think about economic reality before they open their mouths?

 

[bajaden]

Again I'll say, we do not have enough cap space to make more than a MLE offer to any FA's. Millsap is looking for $10M. The only way we can get someone for over the MLE is to make a trade. And, the only thing we have to trade is Noc, Garcia, Beno and K9. Finding someone we want on a team that wants one of our guys (without giving up one of our young talent) will be GP's great challenge this year.

I'm not quite sure where your getting your figures. My my estimation we should be around 7 mil under the cap and the MLE is around 5 mil. Now 7 mil still may not be enough to aquire Boozer, but it would be a better offer than the MLE if there were another player we were interested in. Personally I don't want Boozer. I started the thread with the intention of getting Fesenko.

 

[HighTopKicks]

I'm not quite sure where your getting your figures. My my estimation we should be around 7 mil under the cap and the MLE is around 5 mil. Now 7 mil still may not be enough to aquire Boozer, but it would be a better offer than the MLE if there were another player we were interested in. Personally I don't want Boozer. I started the thread with the intention of getting Fesenko.

We'll know in a few days where the cap ends up. My calculations are based on my estimate that the cap comes in around $57.3M. We have $51M commited without Brockman and we'll probably add 2 more to the roster.

Fesenko had his option picked up for a reason. Utah probably expected to lose Okur, but even though they didn't they might not be willing to let him go just to save $2M. Since the owner died and the son took over no one knows for sure. My guess is they keep him, since they'll be over the Luxury Tax for another yr anyway.

 

[Smills91]

We'll know in a few days where the cap ends up. My calculations are based on my estimate that the cap comes in around $57.3M. We have $51M commited without Brockman and we'll probably add 2 more to the roster.

Fesenko had his option picked up for a reason. Utah probably expected to lose Okur, but even though they didn't they might not be willing to let him go just to save $2M. Since the owner died and the son took over no one knows for sure. My guess is they keep him, since they'll be over the Luxury Tax for another yr anyway.

Your estimate seems low. My figures are closer to 58. We should have roughly 7 million in cap space.

 

[Kingster]

Fesenko has been brought up a couple of times already on this fourm, and I thought I would revisit him. Utah picked up the option on him, which left myself and probably everyone else thinking he was off the board. I think they were hedging their bet on losing either Boozer or Okur, or both. Since both of them have decided not to opt out, and Utah has a projected salary of close to 72 mil, I would think they would be looking for any cap relief they can get.

Their still stuck with the concept that Boozer could still only be there for one year, and so they would still like to keep Millsap, which would push them even further over the cap. Fesenko made less than 1 mil last year and has just this one year left on his contract. He averaged almost one blocked shot a game despite only averaging around 7 minutes a game. So were talkin about a 7'1" 285 pound player thats only 22 years old. Lets also not forget that Utah just drafted Kosta Koufos, another young center.

So I think Fesenko can be had pretty cheaply. Technically we could just trade cap space and aquire him. Or perhaps a future second round pick. Which ever way we would go, he would give us a third big to try for one year. Thats certainlly worth a gamble..

I have no memory of Fesenko whatsoever. What is his story?