Eh i'd take Brooks any of the day over Lowry. His defense actually isn't that bad, you have to remember he plays in a backcourt consisting of Kevin Martin and himself. He's extremely quick. He also shoots almost 40% from the 3 while lowry shoots 27%. I haven't looked at contracts, but if they were similar, i'd take Brooks.
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Actually, they would. It's not just about talent, but how the talent fits. What do we need more, a backup pf, who would take Whitesides minutes next year, and doesn't rebound or play defense, or a player who is proving as we speak he's a starting caliber pg?
Lowry has been successful as a starter, and has shown more career potential to be an effective starter down the road. The talent gap between them is not huge. You obviously haven't watched much of Lowry.
I don't know what makes you so sure Brooks is the expendable one. Since you're so sure, can you provide a link to the info which makes you positive Brooks is the expendable one? Lowry is going back to the bench when Brooks is healthy. Houston would in effect be giving up a backup for a backup, and one which is publicly known they want to being back. We would instantly gain a backcourt player who should fit next to Tyreke better than anyone on the roster at the moment.
Landry would also come off the books for them, and it is known one of their goals is shedding salary, although I would assume they would try to resign him. They want to give themselves more options with the CBA expiring and Yao's future up in the air.
But given how thoroughly thought out your response was, I'm sure you knew all that.
Lowry has been successful as a starter, and has shown more career potential to be an effective starter down the road. The talent gap between them is not huge. You obviously haven't watched much of Lowry.
I don't know what makes you so sure Brooks is the expendable one. Since you're so sure, can you provide a link to the info which makes you positive Brooks is the expendable one? Lowry is going back to the bench when Brooks is healthy. Houston would in effect be giving up a backup for a backup, and one which is publicly known they want to being back. We would instantly gain a backcourt player who should fit next to Tyreke better than anyone on the roster at the moment.
Landry would also come off the books for them, and it is known one of their goals is shedding salary, although I would assume they would try to resign him. They want to give themselves more options with the CBA expiring and Yao's future up in the air.
But given how thoroughly thought out your response was, I'm sure you knew all that.
I actually like Kyle Lowry as well. He's taking the Chauncey Billups route of taking a few years with different teams before he reached his potential. He has great size and speed and can guard both the 1 and 2. When him and Brooks are on the floor together, he plays very well off the ball. Go get him Kings!
Yeah, but he is a true power guard. I think a good comparison physically might be Bobby Jackson. Tough little dude who doesn't back down from anybody. Of course that's probably why the Rockets can't afford to let him go -- you need all of that in a backcourt partner with Kevin. Kevin/Brooks was just soft and skinny squared, and it was not going to work.
Nonethless, with Lowry's discovery of the 3-ball this year he would be a nearly ideal pairing with Reke, if you were going to pair a PG with him. 3pt shooting, defends, toughness, doesn't eat shots...has all the top roleplaying credentials.
Nonethless, with Lowry's discovery of the 3-ball this year he would be a nearly ideal pairing with Reke, if you were going to pair a PG with him. 3pt shooting, defends, toughness, doesn't eat shots...has all the top roleplaying credentials.
Just looking around the league, Im not too sure what we could pull in for Landry right now.
I know he has value, but does he bring back anything we want? ... Im not so sure.
Mayo's numbers are way down. Lowry would be ok, but Morey LOVES him. I want no part of brooks. I would like Hinrich if his contract wasnt so bad.
I feel like the best bet right now would be some kind of young prospect/Draft pick combo from a good team looking for another piece. I mean, thats the kind of team Landry is really valuable too. Why would Memphis want him? And im not sure why Rockets want him either to be honest. With his small contract he's perfect for a playoff team looking for someone to put them over the top.
If we could somehow steal Roddy Beaubois from Dallas I'd be very happy.
Jordan Crawford from the Hawks?
Marcus Thornton from the Hornets?
Those are the type of players I would go for.
I know he has value, but does he bring back anything we want? ... Im not so sure.
Mayo's numbers are way down. Lowry would be ok, but Morey LOVES him. I want no part of brooks. I would like Hinrich if his contract wasnt so bad.
I feel like the best bet right now would be some kind of young prospect/Draft pick combo from a good team looking for another piece. I mean, thats the kind of team Landry is really valuable too. Why would Memphis want him? And im not sure why Rockets want him either to be honest. With his small contract he's perfect for a playoff team looking for someone to put them over the top.
If we could somehow steal Roddy Beaubois from Dallas I'd be very happy.
Jordan Crawford from the Hawks?
Marcus Thornton from the Hornets?
Those are the type of players I would go for.
I still don't like a Brooks trade but the other names are interesting. If that's Xavier Henery, we talked about that over the summer. He'd be a nice option if Westphal made the right decision and matched him up with Reke in the starting backcourt. I don't know why Charlotte would give up Augustin now that they've already let Felton go. That seems like wishful thinking. Mayo would be excellent of course -- he's a solid shooter and a good perimeter defender, just lacking a bit in the playmaking department. Memphis would be crazy to give up Mayo or Henry but I don't think I even have to mention names when it comes to Memphis. Everyone knows they're crazy at this point. And they just committed a ton of money to Conley who seems to be playing well lately. I don't know that I'd want to give up Thompson to get it done, but I'd at least consider it. And remember Mayo will have to be paid to keep him here. He's only got one more year on his rookie deal.
I would absolutely love putting Mayo in the lineup next to Tyreke. IMO, when looking at realistic options heading towards the trade deadline, Mayo would be #1 on my list. Rumors again are flying around that Memphis has Mayo and Thabeet on the trade block, as well as the fact they don't have a great history of making the right decision, which makes me think it really is a possibility. To what extent? Don't know. But I wouldn't completely rule it out.
If that happened, I would keep Tyreke at the point and give him more time to learn the position, especially as his health improves. Mayo would help spread the defense the minute he steps on the floor. Mayo as a future 3rd option on offense, either spotting up off penetration by Tyreke, of passes out of the post from Cousins would be very promising to say the least.
Mayo has tried running the point, and it hasn't worked out. But he can definitely bring the ball up and set up the offense, just like Beno does sometimes. He's great at spotting up as well as catch and shooting off screens. Really a great fit next to Tyreke and Cousins.
If that happened, I would keep Tyreke at the point and give him more time to learn the position, especially as his health improves. Mayo would help spread the defense the minute he steps on the floor. Mayo as a future 3rd option on offense, either spotting up off penetration by Tyreke, of passes out of the post from Cousins would be very promising to say the least.
Mayo has tried running the point, and it hasn't worked out. But he can definitely bring the ball up and set up the offense, just like Beno does sometimes. He's great at spotting up as well as catch and shooting off screens. Really a great fit next to Tyreke and Cousins.
Even if we spent the rest of the year getting lins because of our inexperience (and on/off coaching), if we got Mayo alongside Reke and Cousins, I would consider that a damn succesful season. Just one of the few truly ideal players that you would want alongside Tyreke, and he's a player I've been pining to get for a long time. By the way -- for what it's worth (i.e., nothing at all), I traded for him in NBA 2k11 and he's a phenomenal fit. 
News today is Yao has a stress fracture, and is out indefinitely. It's already well documented the interest Houston has in getting Landry back. This would seem to make it a more likely scenario. As much as I hate to say it, because I like Lowry much more than Brooks, I think the latest with Yao increases the chances a Landry for Brooks deal is on the horizon.
Doesn't Landry for Jefferies + Brooks + 3 million cash just make too much sense for both teams?
Rockets get what they need in the frontcourt, and get under the lux tax(saving them dollar for dollar on Jefferies deal and getting a pay out at the end of the year). Scola can slide to the 5 and Landry to the 4. Lowry's a better fit next to Martin anyways with his defense and playmaking ability.
Kings take a cap hit and lose Landry in order to shore up their PG situation and improve the teams overall shooting and now we can 'match' offers for Brooks at a more reasonable rate.
Rockets get what they need in the frontcourt, and get under the lux tax(saving them dollar for dollar on Jefferies deal and getting a pay out at the end of the year). Scola can slide to the 5 and Landry to the 4. Lowry's a better fit next to Martin anyways with his defense and playmaking ability.
Kings take a cap hit and lose Landry in order to shore up their PG situation and improve the teams overall shooting and now we can 'match' offers for Brooks at a more reasonable rate.
Absolutely. That's a no-brainer for me. Here's why.
1) Brooks is an RFA so we can match ANY offer to retain him.
2) Jefferies contract is ~ 6.5 million. After a third of the season, you can wipe off about 2 million(1/3ish) off that contract, making what's left to owe him roughly 4-4.5 million.
3) I have the Kings receiving 3 million cash to off-set about 75% of Jefferies deal.
4) After deal Landry for 3 million and Brooks for 2.1 million, that puts the Kings on the hook for just a few hundred thousand dollars
5) Jefferies expires.
6) Rockets save a ton of cash and get a frontcourt player that they love in the FO and the seats in Houston to help them with Yao out.
7) Kings get their PG fit next Tyreke
It's just one of those perfect storm type trades IMO.
1) Brooks is an RFA so we can match ANY offer to retain him.
2) Jefferies contract is ~ 6.5 million. After a third of the season, you can wipe off about 2 million(1/3ish) off that contract, making what's left to owe him roughly 4-4.5 million.
3) I have the Kings receiving 3 million cash to off-set about 75% of Jefferies deal.
4) After deal Landry for 3 million and Brooks for 2.1 million, that puts the Kings on the hook for just a few hundred thousand dollars
5) Jefferies expires.
6) Rockets save a ton of cash and get a frontcourt player that they love in the FO and the seats in Houston to help them with Yao out.
7) Kings get their PG fit next Tyreke
It's just one of those perfect storm type trades IMO.
I dont get it. Why trade Landry for Brooks?
Brooks is a guy we really seeem to like, if we want him we can sign him in the offseason. I dont like him on this team though. I feel like Beno is a far better fit. Neither guy plays defense, both guys can be very solid offensive players, but Beno is much better off the ball. Brooks has a better 3pt shot right now, but Beno has been able to do that in the past. Udrih can be a fine roleplayer, he can start or come in off the bench. He can impact a game without his scoring ... I dont know if Brooks can do any of that. He seems like the kind of guy who needs his shots.
I agree Landry should be traded, but why make a sideways deal like this one? I think Landry will make Houston a better team. I cant say the same about Brooks for the Kings.
I would much rather see us go out and make a long term trade. Bring us Iggy who can defend the other teams best player, and chip in points without hogging the ball.
I think we can build around Reke and DMC. I think that is what we should try and do. Players from here on out should fit in with those guys. Bringing in brooks is like bringing in a less efficient and undersized Kevin Martin. A scorer ( and a chucker ) who wont do anything else for you.
If it comes down to it, I rather grab a pick for Landry than a rental player like Brooks. At least with a pick we have enough flexable assets to make some sort of bigger deal in the offseason. Look at what is going on with Melo right now, if teams are going to blow it up and start over, they are going to want picks back in return.
Brooks is a guy we really seeem to like, if we want him we can sign him in the offseason. I dont like him on this team though. I feel like Beno is a far better fit. Neither guy plays defense, both guys can be very solid offensive players, but Beno is much better off the ball. Brooks has a better 3pt shot right now, but Beno has been able to do that in the past. Udrih can be a fine roleplayer, he can start or come in off the bench. He can impact a game without his scoring ... I dont know if Brooks can do any of that. He seems like the kind of guy who needs his shots.
I agree Landry should be traded, but why make a sideways deal like this one? I think Landry will make Houston a better team. I cant say the same about Brooks for the Kings.
I would much rather see us go out and make a long term trade. Bring us Iggy who can defend the other teams best player, and chip in points without hogging the ball.
I think we can build around Reke and DMC. I think that is what we should try and do. Players from here on out should fit in with those guys. Bringing in brooks is like bringing in a less efficient and undersized Kevin Martin. A scorer ( and a chucker ) who wont do anything else for you.
If it comes down to it, I rather grab a pick for Landry than a rental player like Brooks. At least with a pick we have enough flexable assets to make some sort of bigger deal in the offseason. Look at what is going on with Melo right now, if teams are going to blow it up and start over, they are going to want picks back in return.
I really don't understand everyones infatuation with bringing Iggy here. His defense is good, undeniable, but he isn't a great shooter - he's the same type of guard Tyreke is which is a slasher. So instead of us creating space for Tyreke to work by spacing the floor out forcing them to watch out for a great shooter they will just be able to stack the paint. Don't believe me? Look back to Philly the past few seasons especially when Lou Williams was there with Iggy, Thad Young, Speigts, Brand, Dally. They had 0 shooters, teams would stack the paint and it looked pretty sad with all the solid talent Philly had they couldn't do much with it because they had 0 players to space the floor with. The same thing will happen here - and Tyreke's effectivness will go down even more if we cannot space the floor enough for him to work - it's almost like what's happening now but not near as bad.
People don't like to hear these names but Mo Williams and Brooks are good outside shooters and while their D might not be there they will space the floor. You have other options like Affalo and Rush which don't have to be accounted for near as badly right now but they are better defenders and still good shooters at the 2 spot which means Tyreke floats back to the 1.
People don't like to hear these names but Mo Williams and Brooks are good outside shooters and while their D might not be there they will space the floor. You have other options like Affalo and Rush which don't have to be accounted for near as badly right now but they are better defenders and still good shooters at the 2 spot which means Tyreke floats back to the 1.
Iggy's shooting is the constant drawback, but Iggy's strength, aothleticism, defense are all immensely atractive. You add an Iggy here and not only do you get a high quality vet, but then you have a definite personality. A core trait, a thing that defines you. You are going to be a big, strong, atheltic, to the hoop team. Keep Donte, Jason, Cousins, Daly and you are potentially one of the biggest toughest teams in the league. And Iggy's ability as a passer is of course the other thing -- he is the SG/SF who can help Reke without us having to play a little PG out there. Reke gets to work on opposing PGs.
But if you do it you absolutely have to find shoting amongst your other guys, Either whoever's left of Cisco, Beno, Casspi, Greene has to start shooting, or you have to siwng a secondary trade for people who do.
But if you do it you absolutely have to find shoting amongst your other guys, Either whoever's left of Cisco, Beno, Casspi, Greene has to start shooting, or you have to siwng a secondary trade for people who do.
In a sheer talent perspective, Lowry is way better than Landry. Looking at each player in a vacuum, Landry is just seriously trending downwards, and has been ever since he came to us in the trade midseason. His extreme scoring rate in past seasons is rather ordinary now, and considering he doesn't rebound, defend, or block shots, that makes him very prototypical to say the least. There's nothing endearing about him anymore, and maybe he just needs a change in scenery. Hopefully we can provide it for him by the trade deadline, or we'll just let him go. Houston may want him because of all the good he did for them as sixth man + he's an expiring contract, but they won't give up Lowry for him considering how far Landry has regressed. Landry somewhat duplicates what Scola does anyway, so I'm not sure if they want that dynamic again.
As for Lowry--everyone's been gushing over him, and that's the reason why he can't be had--he does everything you want in that high end roleplayer. Very good passer, blinding speed, extremely tenacious defensively, draws charges/gets steals (a hard combination to do), has the heart/hustle of a champion/gives his all, good rebounder, has shown great ability to get to the basket, and now has a developing three point shot. I can't literally think of a flaw in his game now that he's developing his shot. Whereas Brooks is just a undersized 2-guard in a smallish 1's body who primarily likes to chuck threes, Lowry's game with all those dimensions and tricks are much more sustainable and valuable for a winning team. Rockets fans have actually been irate in the past about Brooks's just meh ability to get the ball to Yao down in the block, and his lack of passing and just ok/poor defense has drawn the ire of many.
So yeah, I'm saying that the talent disparity between Lowry and Landry is huge, but that's just IMO. Intuitively obvious.
As for Lowry--everyone's been gushing over him, and that's the reason why he can't be had--he does everything you want in that high end roleplayer. Very good passer, blinding speed, extremely tenacious defensively, draws charges/gets steals (a hard combination to do), has the heart/hustle of a champion/gives his all, good rebounder, has shown great ability to get to the basket, and now has a developing three point shot. I can't literally think of a flaw in his game now that he's developing his shot. Whereas Brooks is just a undersized 2-guard in a smallish 1's body who primarily likes to chuck threes, Lowry's game with all those dimensions and tricks are much more sustainable and valuable for a winning team. Rockets fans have actually been irate in the past about Brooks's just meh ability to get the ball to Yao down in the block, and his lack of passing and just ok/poor defense has drawn the ire of many.
So yeah, I'm saying that the talent disparity between Lowry and Landry is huge, but that's just IMO. Intuitively obvious.
