Tetsujin
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Is this a serious question?
Trade for Rondo??
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Is this a serious question?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
First, Keith Smart isn't coaching the Kings anymore so the days of two smallish to midget-sized point guards starting together are behind us.
Second, we can't trade next year's pick because Chicago holds the rights to it
KingsCitizen
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By next year I meant 2015 draft pick and this year's draft which has Embid, which I believe is the guys you are referring as the rim protector.
If you're saying someone will be a rim protector in the 2015 draft, good luck waiting on that kid as well as holding on DMC's patience.
TheBadGuy
Bench
Yeah, why wait if it can be done now.
KingsCitizen
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First, I don't have a statement saying Rondo and IT plays together. I'm going for Rondo as starter with IT 6th man where he excelled as well.
Second, I am referring to a 2015 draft pick not this Wiggins-Parker draft. If we make enough noise to reach the playoff with Rondo this season, the condition on the pick will be achieved by Bulls, which makes our 2015 rightfully a Kings pick and an asset for a trade.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
That is about as likely as me winning the American lottery.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
ask OKC how well they did in the finals without a real low post presence. they were a strictly jump shooting team. i'm on the fence about pushing for playoffs this season. on one hand we can say yes, we're moving forward to playoffs but we will be severely handicapped in terms of salary flexibility. how many big salary players can you have on the team? from what people are saying on the board, gay will be paid in the 13+m/yr range. rondo is another big salary player. if they are all averaging in the 13m/yr range .. thats around 40m for 3 players. add in landry's 7m and we are at 47m. bmac will be up for an extension in a few years. if he is asking for 8-10m that ratchets up for 50m for 4 players. most teams field at least 14 players on the roster.
call me a pessimist but thats alot of salary commitment with no flexibility to make any moves. i look at chicago's roster constructed and all it took was an injury to rose for them to consider blowing it all up. why? they have all their $$$ tied up in middling players that can make the playoffs but not win it all. the result is cheering on a team that will eventually lose in the playoffs and a middle to late draft pick.
I guess, man can dream. PO ship has sailed.
Dallas is on pace to win 46 games, so Kings better end their season on 32-11 run. Who's willing to go over on that? I'm taking bets. Speaking of financial situation with CBA adjustments finally out the way early eatimations on salary cap and LT threshold show $62.5 million and $76 million respectively, so Kings have decent flexibility as far as next off-season goes.
Why is that? Cousins would get more easy buckets. I guess there ego's could potentially crash if things aren't going well. I think Rondo, Rudy and Cuz is a good start.
Hadlowe
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Realistically, the team was almost out of the playoff hunt before the Gay trade went down. Getting down 5 games from the 8 spot early in the season is nearly a death sentence in the west.
Still, you want to see the team building toward next year. This isn't the Warriors team that picked up an injured Bogut and then tanked for Barnes. We are pretty short on future assets.
Big Cuz 15
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pushing for the playoffs doesn't mean actually meeting the goal
some ppl want to end the season in a hoo rah rah - we are on the uptick feeling.
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SacKings2002NBAChampions
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A lot of it is dependent on luck like the draft. It's a lottery. Some get lucky with a franchise player and others don't.
Imagine if we draft a future hall of famer
Cousins (future hall of famer)
Gay (all-star potential type of player)
Rondo (if we get him through trade another hall of famer)
3 hall of famers and a potential all star in the squad then you have Ben Mac who also might become a really good player in the future.
That would be quite a team and at that point you don't really need to have a stupendous bench. You just need one with veterans who can come in and maintain the level of competition that the starters bring to the court.
Now, for our "future hall of famer" aka draft pick, it would still take a couple years for him to develop (We're talking about a Wiggins or Parker or Embiid). Maybe only Parker is NBA ready but in that case we'd have to put Gay at SG or trade him as he will be an expiring next summer so every team would want him and in return we could get some proven veterans for him.
Gay will be a hard player to keep if we make another blockbuster move before the trade deadline. For example, if we get Rondo, then it will be hard to keep gay if we draft a Wiggins or Parker or even Gordan. However, if we draft a big or guard, then I could see us keeping Gay and resigning him unless we could trade for another SG with potential to shine in a year or two. But if you draft a scorer like Wiggins/Parker/Smart/etc then you can afford to give up IT or Gay as long as you gain on defense cause Gay is a good defender despite what some may believe. As his athleticism goes down, his defense will decrease no doubt but for now he is decent.
Then you would have Cousins/Draft Pick/(hopefully)-Ben Mac as your scorers and trade gay for a rim protector and IT + company for Rondo.
That would be quite a team when you add the veterans cause as I said earlier, Vets will come to you; you don't have to look for them because they'll see if your squad has potential to win the NBA championship or not.
You want those type of vets who are ready to go for it all rather than the subpar players who just want an extra million or two to get by later.
As for the salary cap, the FO knows what they have to do. They hire guys who handle money like it's their life. The only issue is whether the players are open and honest.
For example, with IT right now...In order to re-sign him, we have to cough up quite a bit of money. However, he's nowhere near a starting PG because he can't guard the opposing PG to save his life. Because of this, he can only be our 6th man. I think IT is too full of himself to consider staying with the Kings as a 6th man. Unfortunately for him, he will soon realize that it is the only role he is suited for. So, I think he will be traded very soon.
As for Rudy Gay, it depends how much the Kings offer him, but I have a feeling he will be very open and honest with the franchise about how much he is looking for if we offer a contract extension and what he wants from the team. This will all be interesting to deal with when the time comes because it can be a hit or miss. Obviously, we won't be able to offer him 15 million nor would he be worth it. Would he even play to his max potential once he gets his contract? That's another worry also. Maybe a 2 year 13 million per season contract might be worth it. But I doubt Rudy would go for that because he would probably want a 4 year contract.
By the time we are probably ready to be a serious team, Ben Mac's contract will have expired and he'll be costly as well if he turns out to be what everyone expects him to be.
So, overall, quite a bit of playing around to do. I know in the trade thread we only talk about Sanders, Rondo, and Stephenson but I feel like there's a lot of good player out there and 2015 will be a good free agent season for us to pick up that final piece, in my opinion. I think come 2016, we will be a playoff team and a good one at that.
Sac.1989
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Joel Anthony intrigues me and id considering bringing him to Sac along with Rondo for his shot blocking and defensive abilities. He's the role player type PF we need and im sure we could pry him away.
I do whatever it takes to bring in Rondo and him. Bad boys of the West is fine by me, i dont see Boogie and Rondo butting heads but more so driving each other to greatness. You can be sure as hell Boggie wont have to grab rondo away from shaking hands against the Clippers.
I do whatever it takes to bring in Rondo and him. Bad boys of the West is fine by me, i dont see Boogie and Rondo butting heads but more so driving each other to greatness. You can be sure as hell Boggie wont have to grab rondo away from shaking hands against the Clippers.
Big Cuz 15
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A lot of it is dependent on luck like the draft. It's a lottery. Some get lucky with a franchise player and others don't.
Imagine if we draft a future hall of famer
Cousins (future hall of famer)
Gay (all-star potential type of player)
Rondo (if we get him through trade another hall of famer)
3 hall of famers and a potential all star in the squad then you have Ben Mac who also might become a really good player in the future.
That would be quite a team and at that point you don't really need to have a stupendous bench. You just need one with veterans who can come in and maintain the level of competition that the starters bring to the court.
Now, for our "future hall of famer" aka draft pick, it would still take a couple years for him to develop (We're talking about a Wiggins or Parker or Embiid). Maybe only Parker is NBA ready but in that case we'd have to put Gay at SG or trade him as he will be an expiring next summer so every team would want him and in return we could get some proven veterans for him.
Gay will be a hard player to keep if we make another blockbuster move before the trade deadline. For example, if we get Rondo, then it will be hard to keep gay if we draft a Wiggins or Parker or even Gordan. However, if we draft a big or guard, then I could see us keeping Gay and resigning him unless we could trade for another SG with potential to shine in a year or two. But if you draft a scorer like Wiggins/Parker/Smart/etc then you can afford to give up IT or Gay as long as you gain on defense cause Gay is a good defender despite what some may believe. As his athleticism goes down, his defense will decrease no doubt but for now he is decent.
Then you would have Cousins/Draft Pick/(hopefully)-Ben Mac as your scorers and trade gay for a rim protector and IT + company for Rondo.
That would be quite a team when you add the veterans cause as I said earlier, Vets will come to you; you don't have to look for them because they'll see if your squad has potential to win the NBA championship or not.
You want those type of vets who are ready to go for it all rather than the subpar players who just want an extra million or two to get by later.
As for the salary cap, the FO knows what they have to do. They hire guys who handle money like it's their life. The only issue is whether the players are open and honest.
For example, with IT right now...In order to re-sign him, we have to cough up quite a bit of money. However, he's nowhere near a starting PG because he can't guard the opposing PG to save his life. Because of this, he can only be our 6th man. I think IT is too full of himself to consider staying with the Kings as a 6th man. Unfortunately for him, he will soon realize that it is the only role he is suited for. So, I think he will be traded very soon.
As for Rudy Gay, it depends how much the Kings offer him, but I have a feeling he will be very open and honest with the franchise about how much he is looking for if we offer a contract extension and what he wants from the team. This will all be interesting to deal with when the time comes because it can be a hit or miss. Obviously, we won't be able to offer him 15 million nor would he be worth it. Would he even play to his max potential once he gets his contract? That's another worry also. Maybe a 2 year 13 million per season contract might be worth it. But I doubt Rudy would go for that because he would probably want a 4 year contract.
By the time we are probably ready to be a serious team, Ben Mac's contract will have expired and he'll be costly as well if he turns out to be what everyone expects him to be.
So, overall, quite a bit of playing around to do. I know in the trade thread we only talk about Sanders, Rondo, and Stephenson but I feel like there's a lot of good player out there and 2015 will be a good free agent season for us to pick up that final piece, in my opinion. I think come 2016, we will be a playoff team and a good one at that.
i stopped reading at the bolded area. lets be realistic here, if we get rondo we are looking at a late lotto pick.
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SacKings2002NBAChampions
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Well, Boston is considering trading Rondo after the draft (possibly for a top 6 draft pick).
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SacKings2002NBAChampions
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I want Rondo sooooo baddd
Well, there's about 5 teams that are constantly in media with regards to Rondo. We are one of those squads.
So, our chances are better than most teams to get Rondo
Dreadnought
Bench
A lot of it is dependent on luck like the draft. It's a lottery. Some get lucky with a franchise player and others don't.
Imagine if we draft a future hall of famer
Cousins (future hall of famer)
Gay (all-star potential type of player)
Rondo (if we get him through trade another hall of famer)
3 hall of famers and a potential all star in the squad then you have Ben Mac who also might become a really good player in the future.
That would be quite a team and at that point you don't really need to have a stupendous bench. You just need one with veterans who can come in and maintain the level of competition that the starters bring to the court.
Now, for our "future hall of famer" aka draft pick, it would still take a couple years for him to develop (We're talking about a Wiggins or Parker or Embiid). Maybe only Parker is NBA ready but in that case we'd have to put Gay at SG or trade him as he will be an expiring next summer so every team would want him and in return we could get some proven veterans for him.
Gay will be a hard player to keep if we make another blockbuster move before the trade deadline. For example, if we get Rondo, then it will be hard to keep gay if we draft a Wiggins or Parker or even Gordan. However, if we draft a big or guard, then I could see us keeping Gay and resigning him unless we could trade for another SG with potential to shine in a year or two. But if you draft a scorer like Wiggins/Parker/Smart/etc then you can afford to give up IT or Gay as long as you gain on defense cause Gay is a good defender despite what some may believe. As his athleticism goes down, his defense will decrease no doubt but for now he is decent.
Then you would have Cousins/Draft Pick/(hopefully)-Ben Mac as your scorers and trade gay for a rim protector and IT + company for Rondo.
That would be quite a team when you add the veterans cause as I said earlier, Vets will come to you; you don't have to look for them because they'll see if your squad has potential to win the NBA championship or not.
You want those type of vets who are ready to go for it all rather than the subpar players who just want an extra million or two to get by later.
As for the salary cap, the FO knows what they have to do. They hire guys who handle money like it's their life. The only issue is whether the players are open and honest.
For example, with IT right now...In order to re-sign him, we have to cough up quite a bit of money. However, he's nowhere near a starting PG because he can't guard the opposing PG to save his life. Because of this, he can only be our 6th man. I think IT is too full of himself to consider staying with the Kings as a 6th man. Unfortunately for him, he will soon realize that it is the only role he is suited for. So, I think he will be traded very soon.
As for Rudy Gay, it depends how much the Kings offer him, but I have a feeling he will be very open and honest with the franchise about how much he is looking for if we offer a contract extension and what he wants from the team. This will all be interesting to deal with when the time comes because it can be a hit or miss. Obviously, we won't be able to offer him 15 million nor would he be worth it. Would he even play to his max potential once he gets his contract? That's another worry also. Maybe a 2 year 13 million per season contract might be worth it. But I doubt Rudy would go for that because he would probably want a 4 year contract.
By the time we are probably ready to be a serious team, Ben Mac's contract will have expired and he'll be costly as well if he turns out to be what everyone expects him to be.
So, overall, quite a bit of playing around to do. I know in the trade thread we only talk about Sanders, Rondo, and Stephenson but I feel like there's a lot of good player out there and 2015 will be a good free agent season for us to pick up that final piece, in my opinion. I think come 2016, we will be a playoff team and a good one at that.
It's pretty easy to become a Hall of Famer nowadays.
ockingsfan
Starter
Since the Kings seem open to trading for a player (Kevin Love) without any assurance of them re-signing, would Rajon Rondo be worth the risk?
The Kings would have to trade their #8 pick and probably Ben McClemore and some expiring contracts (Jason Terry, Derrick Williams or Travis Outlaw?) for Rajon Rondo (and #17 pick?).
They would need to get back a first rounder somehow, either from Boston (#17) or in a three way trade or separate trade, because of the Hickson trade.
If the Kings somehow get Rondo, they would have their BIG 3:
PF: Thompson/ Landry/ Evans
SF: Gay/ D Williams
C: DMC/ FA
SG: FA (Jodie Meeks or Anthony Morrow or Nick Young)
PG: Rondo, Ray McCallum
I think this would make the Kings a Playoff team and they may be able to convince Rondo to stay, especially with DMC being the monster in the middle for Rondo to get a ton of assists.
The Kings would have to trade their #8 pick and probably Ben McClemore and some expiring contracts (Jason Terry, Derrick Williams or Travis Outlaw?) for Rajon Rondo (and #17 pick?).
They would need to get back a first rounder somehow, either from Boston (#17) or in a three way trade or separate trade, because of the Hickson trade.
If the Kings somehow get Rondo, they would have their BIG 3:
PF: Thompson/ Landry/ Evans
SF: Gay/ D Williams
C: DMC/ FA
SG: FA (Jodie Meeks or Anthony Morrow or Nick Young)
PG: Rondo, Ray McCallum
I think this would make the Kings a Playoff team and they may be able to convince Rondo to stay, especially with DMC being the monster in the middle for Rondo to get a ton of assists.
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macadocious
Starter
Did you just advocate putting Swaggy P on this team?
ockingsfan
Starter
Did you just advocate putting Swaggy P on this team?
Nick Young is a Free Agent and a possible replacement for BMac at SG if we have to trade him to get Rondo. At least Nick Young can score.
Meeks or Morrow would be a better fit.
Trading for Rondo is the objective of the post. I'm just putting out possible FA targets at SG, if we have to include BMac to get Rondo.
HndsmCelt
Hall of Famer
I am not sure we NEED to trade for Rondo. Rumor is that Ainge want to get Love and Mello to play with him next season, so I don't see a trade happening. After spending a year with two empty stat stuffers Rondo may run screaming next year. It would be a long shot at best but if we had a top offer and a crew he liked we might have a chance of signing him as an FA.
Ben McLemore, Derrick Williams, Travis Outlaw and the #8 pick might net Rondo if the Celtics were willing to deal him.
Jason Terry's expiring deal and their choice of Landry or Thompson MIGHT land Sanders if the Bucks decided to cut their losses. Should the Cavs pass on Embiid and Milwaukee nab him this becomes a bit more likely.
Rondo
Bargain FA shooter
Gay
Sanders
Cousins
is a hell of a lineup. If Gay were willing to sign a long term deal starting at $12 million that also opens up enough cap room to bring back IT as a sixth man/change of pace PG. Now, the only bench pieces remaining would be whoever was left of Landry/JT, Reggie Evans, Quincy Acy and Ray McCallum. If JT is gone to the Bucks then team would need a backup C as well as starting SG, backup SG and backup SF all on the cheap. Not impossible, but tons of money tied up in a core that features one player two seasons removed from a major injury in Rondo and two players that last year were at the low points of their careers in Gay (at least pre-trade) and Sanders.
Still, I don't think Ainge has any plans to deal Rondo anyway so it's just TDOS talk.
If you're going to make a play for Rondo, this is the way to do it. Rondo/Gay/Cousins is your core and you need a defensive big and a 3pt shooter at the SG position to fill out the lineup. In fact, this is pretty much the only scenario in which giving away McLemore and #8 (also, we're effectively giving away our 2015 pick too) is still worth it I think. We lose a lot of future assets but that looks like a balanced team assuming you can nab Sanders from Milwaukee. I really hope Cleveland goes for one of Wiggins/Parker or trades down or something because Milwaukee drafting Embiid means Sanders is very likely going to be moved. I agree with you that Ainge isn't eager to trade Rondo though.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I have long been saying that it would not surprise me if we re-engage discussion for Rondo come draft night especially if Gay stays with us. Gay and Rondo are close friends so it would not surprise.
Having saod that, as much as I like Rondo, if there is any chance to get Bledsoe, I would rather we go down that path
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KingMilz
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If we replace Jeff Green + Rondo for Gay and IT I would do that no doubt. No picks no young players other than Derrick going to Boston, but if we have to include picks no thanks.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You're probably losing in talent in that deal.
And I think a big point is precisely to add MORE vets, not swap around the ones we have. Certainly Boston would be in the opposite position if they decide to tear down. Then they'll be ok with losing with kids again. We can't be. If a kid can help now, great. But no kid is going to help as much as Rajon Rondo.
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