Trade for Rondo??

[Kingsfan23]

BTW, Ainge wants draft picks. Still think the likeliest option is a draft day deal, which I'd be willing to do unless it's a top 4-5 pick. This year's #6/IT/JT for example is something I'd do for Rondo, hypothetically.

This is all opinion, and you might be right. To me, I wouldn't give up the #6 or IT. IMHO you have to let someone come back from serious injury and prove they can still play at a high level.. Lot of cases of this recently - like D Rose this year before he was injured again

 

[LPKingsFan]

The counter argument would be that Rondo's game doesn't rely on athleticism. He's not a high flier. He's not a scorer who relies on speed/jumping ability to get off shots.

He relies on his handle and vision. Defensively it's his basketball IQ and long arms.

There's some players you take risks on and some you don't, coming off an injury. I'd take a risk on Rondo before a took a risk on a guy like Bynum. A beefy center with bad knees is different than a PG with a bad knee who never relied on athleticism in the first place. And being a small market team, we have to take chances. Gay we just got when his value was low. If we were to get Rondo, it'd likely have to be when his value is low as well, or any star caliber player for that matter.

BTW, Ainge wants draft picks. Still think the likeliest option is a draft day deal, which I'd be willing to do unless it's a top 4-5 pick. This year's #6/IT/JT for example is something I'd do for Rondo, hypothetically.

I don't think you can trade restricted free agents, which is what IT will be, after the season.

 

[Section 101]

I don't think you can trade restricted free agents, which is what IT will be, after the season.

You can trade restricted FA's.

 

[LPKingsFan]

You can trade restricted FA's.

I'm assuming you mean in a sign and trade, which would then preclude a draft-day deal, because I can't think of a team ever trading just the rights to a restricted free agent. Could be wrong, though, it is Monday...

 

[Capt. Factorial]

I'm assuming you mean in a sign and trade, which would then preclude a draft-day deal, because I can't think of a team ever trading just the rights to a restricted free agent. Could be wrong, though, it is Monday...

Once the trade deadline has passed, IT will not be tradeable, except in a sign-and-trade. You are correct that you can't trade the rights to RFAs.

 

[Section 101]

I'm assuming you mean in a sign and trade, which would then preclude a draft-day deal, because I can't think of a team ever trading just the rights to a restricted free agent. Could be wrong, though, it is Monday...

I thought you meant between now and the trade deadline.

 

[hrdboild]

The advantage Ainge has right now is another year on Rondo's deal. He'll see what he can get now but if he doesn't like it he can try again on draft day, over the off-season, and before next season's trade deadline. From our end, I can't see us wanting to give up a lotto pick for a short-term rental on a player who is going to take some time to work back into playing shape. By the time he's 100% you only have him for a year and then he's a free agent. That's not worth a lotto pick to me. But I would give up other assets to get him, including IT who is really only an asset until the trade deadline. The numbers he's putting up right now on a terrible team are not sustainable so it's probably better to trade him than re-sign him.

 

[Bricklayer]

The advantage Ainge has right now is another year on Rondo's deal. He'll see what he can get now but if he doesn't like it he can try again on draft day, over the off-season, and before next season's trade deadline. From our end, I can't see us wanting to give up a lotto pick for a short-term rental on a player who is going to take some time to work back into playing shape. By the time he's 100% you only have him for a year and then he's a free agent. That's not worth a lotto pick to me.

You seem to be convinced he would want to leave a team which at that point would consist of himself, Rudy Gay, and DeMarcus Cousins, with aggressive owners, a revitalized fanbase, and a new arena opening.

But yes, right now Rondo being moved requires extra prying if he is even on he market at all. It would have been so helpful if he was rehabbed up and ready to go by seaosn's beginning. I can't recall a guy still on the injured list (well, there is no injured list, but still inactive) being traded without getting back out on court first. And the further our you push a Rondo trade the less reason there is to do it.

 

[hrdboild]

You seem to be convinced he would want to leave a team which at that point would consist of himself, Rudy Gay, and DeMarcus Cousins, with aggressive owners, a revitalized fanbase, and a new arena opening.

But yes, right now Rondo being moved requires extra prying if he is even on he market at all. It would have been so helpful if he was rehabbed up and ready to go by seaosn's beginning. I can't recall a guy still on the injured list (well, there is no injured list, but still inactive) being traded without getting back out on court first. And the further our you push a Rondo trade the less reason there is to do it.

It's not exactly that I don't think he would stick around. You look at Rondo/Gay/Cousins and if they all get along and play well together, who cares about the draft pick we actually have a solid young core for a contending team now. If McLemore is still there, even better. You just need your enforcer at PF and a couple of nice bench pieces. If Rondo were playing this season already I'd be tempted to go for it. But let's say he comes back mid-January. The team plays well, but is in too big of a hole to make the playoffs. Your pick is traded so now you only have the summer to sign Rondo and Gay both to extensions or hope you can re-sign them in free agency and if that doesn't happen you're back to Cousins and a lot of question marks on the roster.

Rondo is one of my top 5 favorite players in the league. It's not that I wouldn't love to have him, I'm just in favor of mitigating risk. If we can acquire Rondo now for expendable assets, then we should do it because he looks like a great fit for our roster. I'm not throwing in anything franchise-altering though until I have a better idea of how Gay fits in and Rondo is ready to play. Alternatively, we could just play out the rest of the season, give Rondo a chance to work himself back into shape, and either use our pick to add another young talented player or trade the pick then once we know what we have in Gay and Williams and we have some idea which players we'd be passing up in the draft. I just don't see a lot of urgency on our part to make a Rondo deal right now. At the end of the season makes more sense.

I mentioned before that Ainge can afford to be patient on this. The flip side is that Rondo is a starting PG, you don't go out and acquire him with anything else in mind. That seems to rule out Cleveland (Uncle Drew), Brooklyn (D-Will), LA Clippers (CP3), Chicago (DRose), GSW (Curry), Memphis (Conley), Minnesota (Rubio), Portland (Lillard), OKC (Westbrook), Washington (Wall), and San Antonio (Parker) as potential trade candidates. Sure you can nitpick a few of those teams, but that's roughly a third of the league which has no interest before getting into specifics. Supply and demand suggests Ainge isn't likely to get a fair value trade for Rondo when he does choose to trade him. There's no reason to overpay.

 

[cuad]

Boston has another player we might have use for: Courtney Lee. He was the starting SG on the Magic team that went to the finals in 2009, which was a strong defensive team. He played, sort of, the Rip Hamilton role, so he didn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

He has a pretty ugly contract that Boston would probably want to trade regardless of his high shooting percentage so far this year. Plus, he's old.

Marshon Brooks, depending on his defense, could probably be a bench scorer we could use also.

I would understand

IT
McLemore
Thornton
+ expiring filler

for

Rondo
Courtney Lee
Marshon Brooks

 

[Mass]

Well, Courtney Lee is 28, I don't know your definition for "old" but it doesn't look so old to me...

 

[Entity]

Boston has another player we might have use for: Courtney Lee. He was the starting SG on the Magic team that went to the finals in 2009, which was a strong defensive team. He played, sort of, the Rip Hamilton role, so he didn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.

He has a pretty ugly contract that Boston would probably want to trade regardless of his high shooting percentage so far this year. Plus, he's old.

Marshon Brooks, depending on his defense, could probably be a bench scorer we could use also.

I would understand

IT
McLemore
Thornton
+ expiring filler

for

Rondo
Courtney Lee
Marshon Brooks

We don't have expiring filler. We traded that to Toronto. Jimmer and now Gray are the only expirings

 

[cuad]

Hamady NDiaye also expires according to ESPN's trade machine. They all have small salaries, but they're enough. Jimmer's contract alone is enough to make the trade work.

Well, Courtney Lee is 28, I don't know your definition for "old" but it doesn't look so old to me...

What I meant was that if you trade Ben McLemore for Courtney Lee, you do get eight years older, which is a lot.

 

[Entity]

I'd probably rather trade mt for lee if they would do that

 

[Bricklayer]

Hamady NDiaye also expires according to ESPN's trade machine. They all have small salaries, but they're enough. Jimmer's contract alone is enough to make the trade work.


What I meant was that if you trade Ben McLemore for Courtney Lee, you do get eight years older, which is a lot.

Quite obviously you aren't going to trade Ben for Courtney Lee.

 

[Bricklayer]

Worth noting:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...-Clearance-Not-Expected-To-Return-In-December

Let any games potentially under consideration begin.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I think, outside of the draft, Rondo is the only available point guard that truly makes sense for our team. I don't want Knight or any other mediocre guard. This team needs a big 3. We have cousins and rudy. We need the missing piece. After lasts night display by IT, it should be clear he can't distribute. Its just not in his nature. Its completely not in his mindset. Nights with big assist numbers are more an abberation than anything else. IT's career high in assists is 12. Rondo damn near averages that. Not to mention on the defensive side of things. I would give up IT JT Thornton or Ben... any combination of those players would be fine by me.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Sacramento Kings to Get Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace; Celtics Receive Isiah Thomas, Ben McLeMore & Draft Picks in Proposed Blockbuster Deal

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/530352/20131216/nba-trade-news-rumors.htm#.Uq6l-fvS1kN

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Sacramento Kings to Get Rajon Rondo, Gerald Wallace; Celtics Receive Isiah Thomas, Ben McLeMore & Draft Picks in Proposed Blockbuster Deal

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/530352/20131216/nba-trade-news-rumors.htm#.Uq6l-fvS1kN

The article says:

According to NBA Buzz, the Kings are ready to send third-year point guard Isiah Thomas, rookie shooting guard Ben McLemore, shooting guard Marcos Thornton, power forward Jason Thompson, and two future first-round picks to the Celtics for Rondo.

We can't trade future first round picks until we've satisfied the pick to the Cavaliers, which could be conveyed as late as 2017. That means if we were to send two future first round picks to Boston, it would have to be 2019 and 2021. However, since draft picks can only be traded 7 years into the future, the latest pick we can send is a 2020 pick.

The scenario is not legal under the CBA.

Incredibly questionable source + non-legal trade details = almost certainly bogus rumor.

 

[randymoss1881]

Yay we can't trade our pick so it is bogus

 

[JLoss22]

If we somehow got Rondo... oh lorddddddddddddd

Use the rest of this year as a warmup for him. Give him plenty of nights off. Then with our big 3, plus a top 10 pick come out guns blazing next year. Ah well probably won't go down.

 

[Mass]

Put Jimmer instead of IT and have a lottery protection on those 2 first round picks, and I'm down with that.

 

[ParniValjak]

The only thing that might not be bogus in that article is our interest in Rondo. With Cousins and Gay as the 1-2 punch, Rondo makes perfect sense for this team. A defensive pass first PG who gets others involved would be perfect. In this scenario keeping McLemore as the shooter makes more sense!

I know McLemore is struggling but the kid can shoot and would be 3rd option in time as a spot up shooter. Complements Cousins and Gay

 

[Kingstime]

Put Jimmer instead of IT and have a lottery protection on those 2 first round picks, and I'm down with that.

Jimmer has no value, Rondo is easily a top 5 pg in the league I see no problem with that rumored deal. A guy like Rondo could even get MT motivated to play again

 

[hrdboild]

I'm going to backtrack a bit on what I said before. I initially thought of the Rudy Gay trade as a way for us to shuffle some contracts, clear out a lot of riff-raff, and position ourselves for some big moves down the road. Rudy Gay so far looks like the solid second option we need next to Cousins, why wait for another prospect to develop? Cousins is already one of the two or three best big men in the league. Rondo is a perfect compliment as a pass-first PG who contributes in every facet of the game other than scoring, and he's capable of that as well on some nights. Obviously we wouldn't be all the way there yet, but I think getting Rondo now and jump starting the bid for relevancy is worth giving up a draft pick and McLemore. There's a fair argument to be made either way, but before I was leaning toward the patient approach and now, seeing how close we are, I'm all for continuing to be aggressive.

 

[Entity]

That deal doesn't work. We are getting back 5 more mil than we are sending. I am guessing Wallace, Williams, and Gay all split the two forward positions? I know Boston is trying to pawn off Wallace but this would be a bad idea for us. Rondo, brooks, ray, and jimmer our whole backcourt. Maybe they take Landry also our injured player for theirs

 

[Capt. Factorial]

That deal doesn't work.

The deal works financially. We would be sending out about $17.46M, which would allow us to take back $22.46M (exactly $5M more for that outgoing money slot). Rondo and Wallace make $22.06M.

The reason the deal as mentioned doesn't work is that we can't trade two future first-round picks right now.

 

[Entity]

The deal works financially. We would be sending out about $17.46M, which would allow us to take back $22.46M (exactly $5M more for that outgoing money slot). Rondo and Wallace make $22.06M.

The reason the deal as mentioned doesn't work is that we can't trade two future first-round picks right now.

I was just going by trade machine. It didn't work. Of course I was including brooks like the deal said. If we don't get brooks or somebody. We are a backcourt of rondo, ray, and jimmer.

 

[kpm308]

I love the idea of rondo running this team, but right now to throw out a huge trade package
like that is just outbidding ourselves. By next years draft he will be available at half the price.

The Celtics, and most people around the league still see Rondo as what he has been the last 4 years, albeit coming off injury. So in most peoples minds, if he can just come back and show he's healthy, then he's going to have the same value he did as the guy that's been putting up huge numbers in the playoffs every year.

However, most people underestimate how fickle the NBA actually is. Right now, the celtics are winning a lot more games than their talent level would suggest they should. Which would mean that at some point this season they are going to come back down to earth, or at the very least, there's an extremely small chance they begin winning games at a higher percentage than they are right now.

So in a couple weeks to a month, Rondo will be back healthy. When he does, he will start, and the backcourt players, most notably Crawford, will see there roles and minutes diminish. And the chemistry that Brad Stevens has working right now will lose a little of its magic. Of course, Rondo is good enough to maybe keep things going at the same level they're at right now, but overall the team just doesn't have the talent to improve much from what they're doing right now.

So, come early February, the stats guys and the talking heads are going to look at the Celtics and everyone is going to wonder why adding a talent like Rondo to the Celts roster didn't improve them dramatically. And they are going to look back on how well the team did without Rondo and how they should move him before they have to commit a new huge contract to him when other guys they have like Crawford can do his job at a much cheaper price.

 

[Entity]

Maybe if we send outlaw they could then send a sg. I like brick prefer Crawford he can play some pg as well. Puts jimmer as the sole backup sg. But we did see gay get time there.

If this went down then cousins is the longest tenured king lol