Tony Parker for 7th

[Hallama]

While I agree Parker and Evans aren't a good match for the long run, those two would be almost impossible to game plan for because of their ability to attack the rim. Kings would need better shooters overall to compliment them because teams would pack it in on defense. Bottom line is they would be a borderline playoff team, but not a team that could go much further. I think you have to use your assets a little more carefully and try to hit a home run with a free agent or trade.

But I do like that the #7 pick can get you a championship seasoned/All-Star point guard if you're willing to swallow his salary. Very promising.

 

[Dime Dropper]

I would rather have Thornton and Dalembert re-signed along with a rookie, than Parker and Jefferson on very poor contracts. Trading for them two jeopardises that, as well as our future. It's a short-sighted trade and could prove damaging in the long run.

 

[Spike]

The only person in this draft that really intrigues me is Jimmer but can the Kings afford to take a gamble on him and wait a few years for him to develop if an opportunity to grab Tony Parker is on the table? I don't think so. Not with the current state of things regarding the Sacramento Kings.

Two things:

The thing about Jimmer is that he's a college senior - he should be ready to plug and play, as there wouldn't be the steep learning curve of drafting a freshman. I think if the Spurs are looking to deal, there might be some other teams looking to move some pieces as well.

If you want the veteran stop-gap for a year or so, I think someone like Chauncey Billups would be a good fit, and I know the Knicks are looking to move up. I know that Billups is looking to go back to Denver when his deal is done, so signing him long term isn't feasible (nor should it be given his age), but he would be a better fit next to Evans. The problem is that we'd likely have to give up Casspi and the #7, but I don't know that they have anything to give in return.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I'm just about fully onboard with #7 ( and even Omri ) for Parker, because fit or no fit the talent is worth the price. If he doesnt work out here, he is tradable. The risk is worth the low price.

Now, add Richard Jefferson to the mix .. thats where I back off. Just too much cap room to waste on him. If he was making less money ... he isnt a terrible fit for a stopgap SF, but his contract is bad. He amazingly shot .440 from three last year (!!!!!!) can he do that again though? I hgihly doubt it. He averaged 11 points on 7.9 shots, which would be a good fit for this team in terms of how he has taken a back seat at this point in his career. But 3 more years at over 10 million? eeek.

I'd much rather trade for Parker and then sign AK or Prince for 6mil a year over 3, or something to that effect.

If we could manage to steal splitter and dump beno on them or something .. I suppose I'd think about it. We would have to get more than just parker and #29 to bring in Jefferson though, IMO.

One more thing on Parker and his high amount on shots .. a lot of his shots come out of the offense. When he gets the ball after a defensive rebound, he often just beats the entire defense down the court with his speed and hits a layup .. Which is good. And like CptnFactorial said .. his shooting percentages are so high that you want him taking those one man fastbreak shots. He doesnt shoot as much within the offense, so I think the fit could be better than alot of people think. And he can play off the ball a little bit, I'm not going to say he is great at it, but he did it for the Spurs ( Lets not pretend like Manu and Duncan didnt set up alot of the offense ). Unlike most bad threepoint shooting guards, you cant back off Parker as much because if he recieves a pass from an off the ball position, and the defender is out of position because he doesnt respect Parkers shot, Tony will blow by you. His speed is a factor in how teams have to defend him, on or off the ball.

I'm not trying to compare our young players to the Spurs HOF level veterans, but Duncan is a good passer, DMC is a good passer. Manu can handle the ball and playmake, Tyreke can handle the ball and playmake. Then you have Tony Parker. The core, at least on offense, isnt THAT much different.

Obviously, Manu is a better shooter then Evans .. But Evans is going to need to improve that part of his game reguardless of who he plays with. We cant keep avoiding acquiring players just because Evans cant shoot. Thats just something he needs to get better at.

And I will agree with the poster who said Evans does have some off the ball skills. He can post up and cut. Thats not great, but its a start.

 

[Catalyst]

I can see that bein true, but again, EVERY SINGLE ONE of these stories has come from the same source -- Adrian Wojnarowski. Maybe he has a very chatty source right on the coaching staff or something. But its always suspicious when you have a one man rumor mill going, and the man is clear across the country from the team with no obvious connection.

Suspicious in what way?

As a side thing... Wojnarowski has earned a reputation I haven't seen — ever — for gathering accurate rumors. If this was any other sports rumor person, I think you could write this off to speculation, and have a very reasonable case. The problem is... this guy has an insane amount of accuracy on his predictions, definitely not batting 1.000, but he has some methods of verifying stuff that apparently works really well.

Rumor mongers over the years have left a real bad taste in my mouth, this guy... is different. Never seen anything like him before.

You don't have to take my word for it either, ESPN and other major sites pick up his reports all of the time, because they're usually legit.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I would rather have Thornton and Dalembert re-signed along with a rookie, than Parker and Jefferson on very poor contracts. Trading for them two jeopardises that, as well as our future. It's a short-sighted trade and could prove damaging in the long run.

Poor contracts? You act like they're Reshard Lewis and Vince Carter. Parker's contract is about right for he caliber player he is and Jefferson's contract, while a bit on the steep side, isn't a franchise killer or anything. This is exactly the type if scenario where having as much cap space as the Kings do comes in handy.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I'm just about fully onboard with #7 ( and even Omri ) for Parker, because fit or no fit the talent is worth the price. If he doesnt work out here, he is tradable. The risk is worth the low price.

Now, add Richard Jefferson to the mix .. thats where I back off. Just too much cap room to waste on him. If he was making less money ... he isnt a terrible fit for a stopgap SF, but his contract is bad. He amazingly shot .440 from three last year (!!!!!!) can he do that again though? I hgihly doubt it. He averaged 11 points on 7.9 shots, which would be a good fit for this team in terms of how he has taken a back seat at this point in his career. But 3 more years at over 10 million? eeek.

I'd much rather trade for Parker and then sign AK or Prince for 6mil a year over 3, or something to that effect.

If we could manage to steal splitter and dump beno on them or something .. I suppose I'd think about it. We would have to get more than just parker and #29 to bring in Jefferson though, IMO.

Anyone would. But that may not be an option. The Spurs may insist on Jefferson going with Parker in which case the Kings could try and make the Spurs take back Beno or Garcia. That would even things out.

 

[Catalyst]

Richard Jefferson is a good player... with a not so good contract. As much as I like Tony Parker for the Kings, including RJ might kill the deal for me because you're banking a big part of the future on RJ producing at a high level. I actually like Jefferson, I think he's good, but way overpaid. The Spurs fans I know were extremely disappointed with him this year and want him gone, and when I watched him on that team, grouped with Tony, Duncan and Manu, I didn't like what I saw.

Considering he'd be in a similar situation if he came here, behind three other more talented players (Reke, Cousins and Parker) ... no thanks. I'd rather the Kings keep their cap flexibility and find a player who they know will fit the role instead of paying Jefferson about 10 million a year and being in a role that potentially doesn't fit his skill set.

If Parker is added to the team, I'd rather have Garcia out there at SF over RJ to be honest. He's a lot cheaper and fits that lineup better with his shooting, defense and passing, plus we'd have the money to sign or trade for someone else.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

It amazes me how the consensus for weeks has been that this draft is weak and that the pick should be traded but now that a potential trade is on the table it's being largely dismissed even though it would yield Tony Parker. Does anyone really believe you're going to do better than Tony Parker with a #7? Really? Who do you guys want for the #7, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, Deron Williams? Get real, lol.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Richard Jefferson is a good player... with a not so good contract. As much as I like Tony Parker for the Kings, including RJ might kill the deal for me because you're banking a big part of the future on RJ producing at a high level. I actually like Jefferson, I think he's good, but way overpaid. The Spurs fans I know were extremely disappointed with him this year and want him gone, and when I watched him on that team, grouped with Tony, Duncan and Manu, I didn't like what I saw.

Considering he'd be in a similar situation if he came here, behind three other more talented players (Reke, Cousins and Parker) ... no thanks. I'd rather the Kings keep their cap flexibility and find a player who they know will fit the role instead of paying Jefferson about 10 million a year and being in a role that potentially doesn't fit his skill set.

If Parker is added to the team, I'd rather have Garcia out there at SF over RJ to be honest. He's a lot cheaper and fits that lineup better with his shooting, defense and passing, plus we'd have the money to sign or trade for someone else.

I don't think you're banking on Jefferson playing at a high lever. He'd be the 4th or 5th option on the team. As long as he gets you 10-12 a game and can spread the floor with his three point shooting, you're OK. If he plays at a high level (whatever that would be for him), it's a bonus. The important thing is that Parker comes with him.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Two things:

The thing about Jimmer is that he's a college senior - he should be ready to plug and play, as there wouldn't be the steep learning curve of drafting a freshman. I think if the Spurs are looking to deal, there might be some other teams looking to move some pieces as well.

If you want the veteran stop-gap for a year or so, I think someone like Chauncey Billups would be a good fit, and I know the Knicks are looking to move up. I know that Billups is looking to go back to Denver when his deal is done, so signing him long term isn't feasible (nor should it be given his age), but he would be a better fit next to Evans. The problem is that we'd likely have to give up Casspi and the #7, but I don't know that they have anything to give in return.

I'm not looking at Parker as a stop gap for a year or so. He's signed for four years. If those four years work out and he's still playing at a high level at 33 when his current contract expires, you resign him for a few years. He's been a pretty durable player so I see no reason why he can't play into his mid 30s.

 

[Catalyst]

I don't think you're banking on Jefferson playing at a high lever. He'd be the 5th or 6th option on the team. As long as he gets you 10-12 a game and can spread the floor with his three point shooting, you're OK. If he plays at a high level (whatever that would be for him), it's a bonus. The important thing is that Parker comes with him.

If a player makes 10 million a year, he better be playing at a high level, or in some kind of super specialist role. You can get better than RJ at 10 million a season, IMO.

And, I'm completely on board with Parker for the #7 pick. I'd do it in a heart beat. From what I've been reading today, people think RC Buford, the Spurs exceptional GM, has his eye on a sleeper in the draft and wants the pick for that reason. Spurs need to start trying to rebuild their team, Sac has got their young players in place, they need veterans.

The trade from that view point works for both. If I was the Spurs GM I wouldn't do the trade anyway, Parker is too good and still young enough, but rebuilds are always a painful process (ask any of us Kings fans), and sometimes you have to do this stuff.

And on an unrelated note, I love your avatar RookieOfTheDay.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

It should have been obvious they'd want Jefferson in the deal. I knew Parker for the 7 and Casspi was too good to be true.

 

[kennadog]

It amazes me how the consensus for weeks has been that this draft is weak and that the pick should be traded but now that a potential trade is on the table it's being largely dismissed even though it would yield Tony Parker. Does anyone really believe you're going to do better than Tony Parker with a #7? Really? Who do you guys want for the #7, Chris Paul, Kevin Durant, Deron Williams? Get real, lol.

That is unlikely to be the deal in "real" life. As pointed out, its been reported that the Spurs want to attach Richard Jefferson to any deal for TP. So likely the #7 plus some of our players for TP and RJ.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

If a player makes 10 million a year, he better be playing at a high level, or in some kind of super specialist role. You can get better than RJ at 10 million a season, IMO.

And, I'm completely on board with Parker for the #7 pick. I'd do it in a heart beat. From what I've been reading today, people think RC Buford, the Spurs exceptional GM, has his eye on a sleeper in the draft and wants the pick for that reason. Spurs need to start trying to rebuild their team, Sac has got their young players in place, they need veterans.

The trade from that view point works for both. If I was the Spurs GM I wouldn't do the trade anyway, Parker is too good and still young enough, but rebuilds are always a painful process (ask any of us Kings fans), and sometimes you have to do this stuff.

And on an unrelated note, I love your avatar RookieOfTheDay.

Of course you would. Most people would. But why would San Antonio? Unloading Jefferson is probably their primary motivator here. Personally, I think it's worth it because it gets you Parker and Jefferson is an upgrade at SF over any current King as well. The avatar, thanks. I like it too. It just seemed perfect.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Ya, and there's a reason Spurs want to do it. I can at least understand 7 and Casspi for Parker, although I don't think it'd work, but there's no way I'm touching Parker and Jefferson. I hope Petrie has more common sense than that.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

That is unlikely to be the deal in "real" life. As pointed out, its been reported that the Spurs want to attach Richard Jefferson to any deal for TP. So likely the #7 plus some of our players for TP and RJ.

Yeah I know but some folks were poo-pooing the trade even before Jefferson's name came up.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Yeah I know but some folks were poo-pooing the trade even before Jefferson's name came up.

That's because there are legitimate concerns about whether he'd fit in, and his contract (he is overpaid). This may appeal to those who like the sound of a relatively big name, but I'm only interested in improving the team in the long-term, and as of yet I'm unconvinced that Parker would do that.

 

[Glenn]

I would rather have Thornton and Dalembert re-signed along with a rookie, than Parker and Jefferson on very poor contracts. Trading for them two jeopardises that, as well as our future. It's a short-sighted trade and could prove damaging in the long run.

Sounds good to me. The team has been on a good path that makes all kinds of sense with only one true vet in the lineup. The rest of the team is made up of up and coming studs. This proposed trade seems to take us in two different directions. It is not a hideous but the addition of Jefferson makes it close to that in my mind. We don't have to make any big moves to improve fairly rapidly and predictably. This adds a lot of variables that could derail this rebuild. Might not but could.

 

[JB_kings]

I'm ok with Parker's contract. And I'm not all that concerned about a Reke/Parker backcourt. There are lots of minutes there and I think they can work together. I think Thornton off the bench makes a potent three guard rotation. With Reke's concern about his foot problems, bringing him down a few minutes a game is probably wise anyway. I think it would be a very tough team to defend if you added the reliable corner three guy at SF. And Parker is an amazing pick and roll guy that would work great with Cousins and add another unstoppable aspect to the offense. Defense would be the part that worries me. We would still need that perimeter defensive guy. RJ is not an upgrade in that area.

RJ... he's a really big cap space eater for the role he fills these days. A bit too much of an eater in my opinion. To make a move like this and still be able to sign Dally, you would have to unload Beno and Cisco somewhere. I would feel better with the Parker deal without having to swallow the poison RJ pill along with it.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

That's because there are legitimate concerns about whether he'd fit in, and his contract (he is overpaid). This may appeal to those who like the sound of a relatively big name, but I'm only interested in improving the team in the long-term, and as of yet I'm unconvinced that Parker would do that.

I don't see how he's overpaid. Show me another three time all star PG in their prime that makes 12 million per.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

For the folks who are concerned about Jefferson. Look at it this way. Any decent SF is going to cost you 5 or 6 million per. Jefferson makes about 10 million per, so you're overpaying by about 4 million per. An extra 4 million per isn't the type of loot that's going to sink or cripple a franchise. Especially a franchise that as we speak is around 35 million under next year's projected cap. The Kings can afford to overpay Jefferson by 4 million per if it gets them Parker too.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

I'm ok with Parker's contract. And I'm not all that concerned about a Reke/Parker backcourt. There are lots of minutes there and I think they can work together. I think Thornton off the bench makes a potent three guard rotation. With Reke's concern about his foot problems, bringing him down a few minutes a game is probably wise anyway. I think it would be a very tough team to defend if you added the reliable corner three guy at SF. And Parker is an amazing pick and roll guy that would work great with Cousins and add another unstoppable aspect to the offense. Defense would be the part that worries me. We would still need that perimeter defensive guy. RJ is not an upgrade in that area.

RJ... he's a really big cap space eater for the role he fills these days. A bit too much of an eater in my opinion. To make a move like this and still be able to sign Dally, you would have to unload Beno and Cisco somewhere. I would feel better with the Parker deal without having to swallow the poison RJ pill along with it.

You actually wouldn't even need to do that. You could take on RJ and TP, sign Dalembert to 8 million per and Thornton to 6 million per and still come in under or at next year's projected cap.

 

[sidney]

RJ... he's a really big cap space eater for the role he fills these days. A bit too much of an eater in my opinion. To make a move like this and still be able to sign Dally, you would have to unload Beno and Cisco somewhere. I would feel better with the Parker deal without having to swallow the poison RJ pill along with it.

That's exactly what I'd be pushing for if I wanted this deal:

Cisco
Beno
Casspi
#7

for

Parker
RJ

We would still be taking on about 9M of extra salary next year so that still saves the Spurs a lot.

At that point we'd be at about 37M for next year and could easily take on the 15M or so it will take to get Dalembert and Thornton. We end up at 52ish but have 5 clear starters. We've also wrapped our two young gun scorers with 3 experienced vets that don't need a ton of shots.

All that to say I'm still not convinced this is best. 3Pt shooting and wing defense are still major issues.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

That's exactly what I'd be pushing for if I wanted this deal:

Cisco
Beno
Casspi
#7

for

Parker
RJ

We would still be taking on about 9M of extra salary next year so that still saves the Spurs a lot.

At that point we'd be at about 37M for next year and could easily take on the 15M or so it will take to get Dalembert and Thornton. We end up at 52ish but have 5 clear starters. We've also wrapped our two young gun scorers with 3 experienced vets that don't need a ton of shots.

All that to say I'm still not convinced this is best. 3Pt shooting and wing defense are still major issues.

Doubt they'd take Garcia and Beno. That would defeat the purpose of unloading Jefferson. Plus, I'd like to see the Kings keep Garcia. He'd make a great 7th or 8th man. You mentioned five clear starters. That would be one of the best things about this trade. It should end up of the lineup juggling and wondering who will start. Parker/Evans/Jefferson/Cousins/Dalembert would be the clear starters for the next few years. Some stability like that could do wonders for this team.

 

[sidney]

Doubt they'd take Garcia and Beno. That would defeat the purpose of unloading Jefferson. Plus, I'd like to see the Kings keep Garcia. He'd make a great 7th or 8th man.

9M is a lot of cap space. Beno/Garcia expire before Jefferson plus they are usable players. I don't think I'd give up 15M+ in cap space AND a #7 pick for Tony Parker. Especially if it means we lose out on Dalembert because of it.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

9M is a lot of cap space. Beno/Garcia expire before Jefferson plus they are usable players. I don't think I'd give up 15M+ in cap space AND a #7 pick for Tony Parker. Especially if it means we lose out on Dalembert because of it.

Why would we lose Dalembert because of it? If anything, he'd be more likely to resign because of the trade.

 

[sidney]

Why would we lose Dalembert because of it? If anything, he'd be more likely to resign because of the trade.

We only have so much cap space and our owners are a little financially challenged right now. Hard to say how high they are willing to go and I wouldn't want to risk having to bail out of a Dalembert contract because of Richard Jefferson.

 

[JB_kings]

Even if you do this deal, I think I would rather have a free agent starting SF and let RJ provide the perimeter shooting role off the bench like Peja did for the Mavs. RJ really has fallen off like Peja has and is best used as a role player these days.

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

We only have so much cap space and our owners are a little financially challenged right now. Hard to say how high they are willing to go and I wouldn't want to risk having to bail out of a Dalembert contract because of Richard Jefferson.

They actually have around 35 million in cap space. Enough to take on TP and RJ and retain Dalembert and Thornton. The only question is whether the Maloofs will put their money where their mouths are.