kingsboi
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so will Vegas be getting a squad?
Things you would change about the NBA
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so will Vegas be getting a squad?
iowamcnabb
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They were talking about the anti- tank stuff on the Hoop Collective and were having a hard time coming up with proposals.
I thought of this one, let me know what you think (sorry if someone else also thought of this)
The Lottery is based of the combined record of the previous two years’ first 80 games, so the first 40 of both seasons combined.
Why?
-This gives a good snap shot of where a team really is
-eliminates teams shutting down their seasons with 40 games to go
-eliminates gap year nonsense where Finals teams compete with the worst of the worst for franchise altering talent
-no gutted teams trying to lose during the peak of the season (when NFL is over)
Extra rules:
1) if you make the finals in either year you are relegated to the 10th best odds even if the math puts you higher
2 if you get a #1 pick you are limited to the 4th best odds in the next draft regardless of math.
Odds are no longer flattened out, instead favoring more heavily the worst teams.
People will still try to game the system, but this works better imo.
I’d love to hear some opinions on this
I thought of this one, let me know what you think (sorry if someone else also thought of this)
The Lottery is based of the combined record of the previous two years’ first 80 games, so the first 40 of both seasons combined.
Why?
-This gives a good snap shot of where a team really is
-eliminates teams shutting down their seasons with 40 games to go
-eliminates gap year nonsense where Finals teams compete with the worst of the worst for franchise altering talent
-no gutted teams trying to lose during the peak of the season (when NFL is over)
Extra rules:
1) if you make the finals in either year you are relegated to the 10th best odds even if the math puts you higher
2 if you get a #1 pick you are limited to the 4th best odds in the next draft regardless of math.
Odds are no longer flattened out, instead favoring more heavily the worst teams.
People will still try to game the system, but this works better imo.
I’d love to hear some opinions on this
Joshyjosh31
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tanking is one of the last things that needs fixing fix the way the game is officiated as well as end of games tanking 10 minutes for the last 60 seconds
Without addressing the specific proposals you've made, the underlying issue is that every proposal is basically trying to put a band-aid or two onto the lottery system. As a sport, we've got the idea stuck in our heads that there has to be a lottery (or some other randomization) to discourage tanking.
But there are better ways to determine who the bad teams are than to look at W-L records or to ask ping-pong balls. We just can't seem to break out of that mental model.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Yeh but the nba wants the lottery as it adds excitement and anticipation for the draft. So to me it’s balancing that fact with the best way to reduce tanking.
I cant stand the way it is now. Wizards, Mavs Jazz and probably the Nets are going to try to lose as much as possible over the next 40 games during the height of the season. Insane. The Pacers were in the finals and now have the best odds of the number one pick. Insane.
It has to change.
There are other circumstances which make it difficult to compare, but it has occurred to me over the years that there may be something to just removing the lottery entirely when the NFL is the league which appears to have the most parity and they don't use a draft lottery. Changing how contracts are structured (less guaranteed money) and implementing a hard cap might get us there faster (the draft working as intended), but I don't think the Player's Association will let either happen.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
I disagree, it’s the biggest problem in the league imo. You can’t have 1/3 of the league hoping to lose games half way through the season.
Joshyjosh31
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Nobody cares about that neither diehard or casuals and it shouldn’t be a problem compared to the trash product that’s on the court. Just this game there was 5 fouls where defenders beat an offensive player to the spot and lebron and 77 just threw there body into them for fts that’s not basketball. I could careless if the jazz are tanking but even if you check twitter every day it’s people complaining about this garbage
But hey Solver said just watch the highlights anyways the game doesn’t matter
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
You don’t care that a competitive league has 10 teams that would prefer to lose as many games as possible? How about the people paying for tickets? This isn’t an either or between fouls/tanking, both have room for improvement.
Let me ask, what keeps you engaged in NBA basketball? You’ve mentioned loving college ball and you find it more enjoyable to watch. Kings are terrible and have been for most of their existence. What keeps drawing you in?
QWERTYLICIOUS
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This is as much of a stretch as I've seen in my entire life...
QWERTYLICIOUS
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Also, I consider myself to be a diehard, and I absolutely care about teams deliberately tanking for the sake of, well, just tanking.
GTFO of here if you actually think that no one cares...
Joshyjosh31
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And how far down the list is tank a problem? It’s a problem but not even a top three problem the on court product sometimes isn’t even basketball
Well I know you have to be bad to be good unless you’re the lakers so why would I care if other teams are doing it. They canned Hinkie for that reason cause it works I don’t know about baseball but nfl teams tank every year the last couple games not a single raider fan wanted them to win that game vs the giants neither did giant fans. The product on the floor should be fixed first and it’s easy to fix as well then take care of tanking if you want
Joshyjosh31
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I think it was inside or prime post game who even had a discussion on something simple as fouling up 3 in the final seconds. Just ruins a good game every time and can simply be fixed the last 30 seconds of a game shouldn’t take 10 minutes to finish professional players don’t need a timeout after every play
You have Kings fans bemoaning us beating the Lakers not even halfway through the season because it messes up the tank (not saying here, just on twitter, etc). That's just inherently BAD for the NBA when a fanbase not only doesnt care about winning, but is mad about it.
I get you have to play the game and the more ping-pong balls, the greater chance we get a franchise changer. We need that. But it sucks we can't feel good about beating the Lakers without the thought of "Oh man, this might hurt our #1 pick chances"
The league could very easily implement a rule that under two minutes in the game all remaining timeouts are converted to 10-second timeouts. Enough to advance the ball to half-court or to effect an immediate substitution or to stop the five-second count on an inbounds, and that's it. Any player that approaches the bench must be subbed out. Failure to be ready for the inbounds play in ten seconds results in a delay of game technical free throw.
Easy to implement.
Will never happen, because the league loves its juicy, juicy advertising revenue.
macadocious
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Plain and simple for me. Enforce rules they way they are written. When a player doesn't do a basketball move designed to take a shot, they should not be rewarded with a foul. Foul baiting, flailing and jumping into players is at an all time high. I don't need statistics to tell me that. I can see with my eyes. Between watching Sengun throw his body all over the place Sunday, to Luka doing god knows what to get a foul instead of just trying to work for a great shot, I am getting more disillusioned on the direction of the game. The worst part is, when they do do their little stupid foul baiting moves and don't get the call, then they spend the next 30 seconds complaining about it. I have come to fully agree with the tenant of it wouldn't fly on the playground, it shouldn't fly at the highest level.
QWERTYLICIOUS
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Is it still possible to create a clone of David Stern?
Joshyjosh31
Starter
Such an easy fix too
coolhandluke
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Exhuming the body is the easy part but getting the soul back from Satan is a bit tricky.
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