The perfect trade:

[Smills91]

Knicks have shown interest in Bibby because Isiah wants 'stability' from the point.

Well I've proposed this before, and it makes even more sense now.

Kings deal:
Mike Bibby
Kenny Thomas

Kings receive:
Stephon Marbury
David Lee

Kings get the young PF they covet and turn Kenny's longer/smaller contract into Marbury's shorter/MUCH BIGGER contract who the Kings could buy out OR sit on for a year in a potential 'salary filler' deal.

Knicks get stability at PG and move Marbury who's been a distraction and headcase for them.
Knicks can now make a run at the Eastern Conference playoffs. Isiah is fighting for his job, it's playoffs or bust and there no better PG on the market to do that than Bibby.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Nope...I dont want that deal in a million years as long as it involves Marbury...not because of the player he is, but because of the person he is. He's got 1 more season left on his contract that we probably couldnt get rid of even if we wanted to. He's a definite cancer to any team he's been on because he doesnt respect or care about ANY of his teammates or coaches. He's a ME ME ME guy, even still. We dont need that, even if it would be good, salary-wise, but to have him on our bench for an entire season next year would probably kill whatever momentum we had as far as a TEAM goes, which Coach Theus has done a great job of establishing in only 1/2 of a season. I'll never forget what he once said when he first got traded to New Jersey...'I dont care about any of my other teammates, I'm just going to win my scoring title and get my MVP and become the legend that I am.' Who needs this? Not us. Kenny Thomas is NOTHING as far as a cancer compared to Mr. Marbury.

edit: The Knicks as a whole arent THIS bad, they just have a dysfunctional relationship, and it starts with Marbury.

 

[Smills91]

Nope...I dont want that deal in a million years as long as it involves Marbury...not because of the player he is, but because of the person he is. He's got 1 more season left on his contract that we probably couldnt get rid of even if we wanted to. He's a definite cancer to any team he's been on because he doesnt respect or care about ANY of his teammates or coaches. He's a ME ME ME guy, even still. We dont need that, even if it would be good, salary-wise, but to have him on our bench for an entire season next year would probably kill whatever momentum we had as far as a TEAM goes, which Coach Theus has done a great job of establishing in only 1/2 of a season. I'll never forget what he once said when he first got traded to New Jersey...'I dont care about any of my other teammates, I'm just going to win my scoring title and get my MVP and become the legend that I am.' Who needs this? Not us. Kenny Thomas is NOTHING as far as a cancer compared to Mr. Marbury.

edit: The Knicks as a whole arent THIS bad, they just have a dysfunctional relationship, and it starts with Marbury.

I agree with you about marbury the person, BUT this trade gives the Kings a legimate rebounding presence at the 4 AND dumps KT in the process. Marbury becomes a huge expiring next season and if he IS as disruptive as you mention, we could just buy him out and call it good.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I agree with you about marbury the person, BUT this trade gives the Kings a legimate rebounding presence at the 4 AND dumps KT in the process. Marbury becomes a huge expiring next season and if he IS as disruptive as you mention, we could just buy him out and call it good.

In a perfect world, maybe we could just buy out Marbury and wish him farewells...but this isnt a perfect world unfortuntely, if we could just buy out guys, we would have done so with K-9 and Reef, but we didnt...so I doubt anything would change if a trade like this ever went down involving Marbury. He's probably the one guy in the entire NBA that I would stay away from like the plague, Reggie has done an incredible job creating a semblance of a team, and the comraderie amongst the guys, even though there's a few tiffs here and there, is an about face from last year and if we were to get Marbury, that would TOTALLY kill that. Stephon wants what Stephon wants...and ONLY what Stephon wants, and if he doesnt get that, he will do whatever he can to tear down everything in his path with team relations to get that, too. As much as I'd love to get Lee, its not worth the greater sacrifice in having to deal with Marbury for an entire season.

 

[OvechKiN]

Honestly, I like the trade.
At least Marbury is serviceable, KT is not.
Marbury is a big 19M expiring next year (or w/e he makes).
This could be pretty valuable.

BTW, im still for keeping Artest long term

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

Honestly, I like the trade.
At least Marbury is serviceable, KT is not.
Marbury is a big 19M expiring next year (or w/e he makes).
This could be pretty valuable.

BTW, im still for keeping Artest long term

We may disagree with the idea of acquiring Marbury, but we definitely can agree on keeping Artest long term. Nice to know that I'm not alone, even if we are probaboly the only 2 people on this entire board that are in agreeance about that.

 

[Glenn]

Certainly you can send Marbury home and pay him the rest of his year's salary. What's wrong with that?

What I don't like in a big way is it does nothing for our logjam at 2/3 and it leaves us with two inexperienced pgs. I'd rather make that trade except with Artest.

 

[CruzDude]

The more I see trade ideas like this the more I want to just keep Bibby AND Artest. No Marbury, ever, never, under any circumstance, no, nix, nyet, nein, etc.

 

[Spike]

The more I see trade ideas like this the more I want to just keep Bibby AND Artest. No Marbury, ever, never, under any circumstance, no, nix, nyet, nein, etc.

Y nunca.

 

[Smills91]

We may disagree with the idea of acquiring Marbury, but we definitely can agree on keeping Artest long term. Nice to know that I'm not alone, even if we are probaboly the only 2 people on this entire board that are in agreeance about that.

I wanna keep Artest long-term as well.

 

[Smills91]

Kings get David Lee AND a Kenny THomas dump. Marbury has ONE year left(which makes him an expiring) he's just salary filler that's it. You guys are getting WAY to hung up on this.

The deal is essentially Bibby for Lee and a KT dump. I take that 10 times out of 10. Re-sign Beno(MLE)/Artest(5 years 55 million) and draft a PG with our pick.

C: Brad Miller, Spencer Hawes, Justin Williams
PF: David Lee, Mikki Moore, SAR
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Dahntay Jones
PG: Beno Udrih, Draft pick(i.e. Darren Collison?), Quincy Douby(Marbury)

I like that roster next year, A LOT!

 

[Gary]

Marbury becomes a huge expiring next season and if he IS as disruptive as you mention, we could just buy him out and call it good.

You can't just "buy him out". It's easy to just say it, but if it were that easy than KT, SAR, and others would have probably been bought out a while ago.

I would do the trade ONLY if there was a clause in the deal that said Marbury would become a FA upon being traded and never put on a Kings uni..

The bad side of this is that the Kings would be back to that horrible assist/turnover average again. We have been averaging at the top of the league since Bibby has come back.. Why ruin that? It's obviously translated into wins.

 

[tradepeja]

Bibby is not going to be traded. The only team that wants him is CLE and all they are willing to give up is Drew Gooden which is basically a white Mikki Moore with no jumpshot (but slightly better boarder)

As Geoff has said again and again, the Kings are gearing up for caproom in the 2009 offseason. Coincidentally, the season Bibby's contract expires.

 

[Gary]

Gooden is white? Either I am not paying attention, or I am blind.. Which is it?

 

[Glenn]

Bibby is not going to be traded. The only team that wants him is CLE and all they are willing to give up is Drew Gooden which is basically a white Mikki Moore with no jumpshot (but slightly better boarder)

As Geoff has said again and again, the Kings are gearing up for caproom in the 2009 offseason. Coincidentally, the season Bibby's contract expires.

I think he has said the year 2010 but there are options in 2009 what with Bibby's contract being up and a team option to buy out Mikki Moore. What with the weird twists and turns of paragraph 20 of the salary cap rules 2009 might not be as big a year as the year we have 4 substantial contracts end in 2010.

As I had heard him say 2010, I suspected Bibby's contract wouldn't be allowed to simply lapse but either he would be resigned or traded.

 

[tradepeja]

Gooden is white? Either I am not paying attention, or I am blind.. Which is it?

I'll be damned. Look up some pics of him in college and its obvious. The lightest black guy I have ever seen.

 

[Smills91]

You can't just "buy him out". It's easy to just say it, but if it were that easy than KT, SAR, and others would have probably been bought out a while ago.

I would do the trade ONLY if there was a clause in the deal that said Marbury would become a FA upon being traded and never put on a Kings uni..

The bad side of this is that the Kings would be back to that horrible assist/turnover average again. We have been averaging at the top of the league since Bibby has come back.. Why ruin that? It's obviously translated into wins.

No it's QUITE different Kenny vs. Marbury is a BIG difference because Marbury expires..you can pay him to sit or pay him to go away at a reduced cost. Either way you're paying him, but the difference is, HE EXPIRES. Buying Kenny out is retarded because it doesn't allow us to move his MULTI-YEAR salary. See the difference.

 

[Glenn]

No it's QUITE different Kenny vs. Marbury is a BIG difference because Marbury expires..you can pay him to sit or pay him to go away at a reduced cost. Either way you're paying him, but the difference is, HE EXPIRES. Buying Kenny out is retarded because it doesn't allow us to move his MULTI-YEAR salary. See the difference.

I actually don't understand. You can pay both players to sit or stay at home if you wish. But you will pay them. The money will count against the salary cap. The major difference is that Marbury will cost the team more money but in one less year.

I wouldn't count on either accepting a negotiated buy out for less than the contract they already have.

If the Maloofs are OK with throwing away an extra $6 mil. it's OK.

 

[Smills91]

I actually don't understand. You can pay both players to sit or stay at home if you wish. But you will pay them. The money will count against the salary cap. The major difference is that Marbury will cost the team more money but in one less year.

I wouldn't count on either accepting a negotiated buy out for less than the contract they already have.

If the Maloofs are OK with throwing away an extra $6 mil. it's OK.

You can't deal a contract that's been dealt...since it's expiring either you can trade it or you can't, it'll expire after one season, so you're paying him to sit or go away one way or another. If you buy out a multi-year player those $$$'s stay on the books and can't be dealt. If anything Kenny COULD be a salary filler in 1-2 years with the amount of his contract. Since Marbury is maxed out he's really never considered a filler.

I have no problem buying out an expiring contract, but buying out a multi-year contract is just stupid. Those $$$ jsut stay on the books for years until the contract expires.

 

[Glenn]

That comes down to your opinion because in real money terms, if you buy out KT, that extra year is $8 mil of money taking up cap space. It is money wasted. It is money that comes off the books at the same time that SAR, Mikki, and Brad's salaries can come off the books.

You want to waste $22 mil in buying out Marbury and if KT is bought out or just sits, $16 mil is wasted. Keeping KT saves $6 mil and adds an extra contract year. I don't understand why wasting an extra $6 mil is a good deal. This isn't Monopoly money.

It is up to the Maloofs if they want to waste an extra $6 mil. In either case, in the trade I threw in, a trade that could be completed by the end of the summer at the worst, neither Marbury or KT are going to contribute to the team anyway and what happens to them is totally irrelevant to the team. Their only relevance has to to with cold, hard cash.

Why waste an extra $6 mil on people who aren't going to play anyway? And with my trade, we don't even need the extra space for a bench player. With my trade, the team will be too good to even get a good draft choice.

The beauty of my trade is that it is a trade being discussed and just might happen. No other trade is being discussed that we know of. Everything else is theory and the flight of consciousness of a lot of people full of wishful thinking.

Obviously we don't understand each other.

 

[Gary]

No it's QUITE different Kenny vs. Marbury is a BIG difference because Marbury expires..you can pay him to sit or pay him to go away at a reduced cost. Either way you're paying him, but the difference is, HE EXPIRES. Buying Kenny out is retarded because it doesn't allow us to move his MULTI-YEAR salary. See the difference.

No it's not different. Neither one are expiring this year. Why would either player want to take a buyout? If I were Marbury I would sit at home and get fat off my 20+ million rather than take a buyout at reduced cost.

 

[Smills91]

No it's not different. Neither one are expiring this year. Why would either player want to take a buyout? If I were Marbury I would sit at home and get fat off my 20+ million rather than take a buyout at reduced cost.

Have him stay on the remaining 25 games...NEXT season(or after the off-season - if he can't be moved) you buy him out THEN. Before the season starts(or wait untilt he deadline). He would be an expiring at that point and I have no problem buying a worthless piece of salary filler out IF they're in an expiring year.

 

[Gary]

Have him stay on the remaining 25 games...NEXT season(or after the off-season - if he can't be moved) you buy him out THEN. Before the season starts(or wait untilt he deadline). He would be an expiring at that point and I have no problem buying a worthless piece of salary filler out IF they're in an expiring year.

I see what you mean.. It would be easier to move him as an expiring next year, plus this year you have about 25 games left if he is traded to the Kings. OK.. I understand what you are trying to say..