The "other" bandwagon. Join up there is still room. Don't wait!!!

[Miles and Miles]

Join up this is the bandwagon of people that actually want the Kings to win games. Remember how to cheer for your team? Don't be a part of the "tank" club anymore. Join up and help us go to the playoffs. Don't bother posting tankers, take it somewhere else. This is for the real fans.

 

[diggining]

go Kings!!!

 

[Ms.Williams]

Go Kings!!!!!!!!!

 

[Bibby's Tattoo's]

Count me in! Go Kings!

 

[BudWright]

The other bandwagon

Go Kings! We'll never give up! Annie

 

[Lawrence Funderburke]

winning makes me feel good. seeing the guys smile is nice too.

GO KINGS!

 

[DocHolliday]

People who want the team to tank or to be blown up are real fans as well, because they want this so the team will have the chance to get *BETTER*.

If you like the team being below average have at it.

 

[kupman]

Miles -

Thanks so much for starting this thread. Count me in on the bandwagon. It almost gives me reason to keep coming to this site. Cheering and hoping for wins during good times and bad is my idea of entertainment.

I have pretty much walked away from Kingsfans. I was done once people - especially mods, began referring to the Kings as the "sucks" (or was it "suckies"? - I can't remember), saying that 'winning games at this point is beyond stupid,' and generally acting like an 8th seed in the playoffs is just beneath them.

I found the 'fantanking' to be quite depressing actually. I found it insulting when people stated or even implied that the non-tankers are somehow dumb or ignorant. It is not like I came here so that I could learn from the omniscient visionaries. I came here to cheer for the Kings - not to hope that they lose as many games as possible. Fact of the matter, I started enjoying the Kings a lot more once I stopped reading those types of posts.

So, thanks again Miles for starting the thread. Maybe one day, you or someone like you, can take a lead role at Kingsfans.

 

[VF21]

There's room for all kinds of fans here and I see absolutely no problem with either. This idea that it has to be all one way or the other is just silly IMHO.

Join both bandwagons, join either bandwagon or join NEITHER bandwagon. It's up to each individual to decide which if any group they want to belong to. What will be the final telling detail is who's still around after all the dust settles.

GO KINGS!!!

 

[Cal-Kings]

There's room for all kinds of fans here and I see absolutely no problem with either. This idea that it has to be all one way or the other is just silly IMHO.

Join both bandwagons, join either bandwagon or join NEITHER bandwagon. It's up to each individual to decide which if any group they want to belong to. What will be the final telling detail is who's still around after all the dust settles.

GO KINGS!!!

So, who do you think will be "around after all the dust settles"? People who cheer the team on or people who want them to tank?

 

[VF21]

Both. As I said in the "other" bandwagon thread, which is really pretty duplicative of this one, fans are passionate about their beliefs and want to believe theirs is the correct one. The mere fact people are still here posting, regardless of which side of the fence they're on or if they're trying to straddle it, is simply indicative of the up-in-the-air status of the team as a whole.

And that's what message boards are all about. Pretty much everyone cares about the team; they just differ on what they think it will take to right the ship.

 

[Cal-Kings]

Both. As I said in the "other" bandwagon thread, which is really pretty duplicative of this one, fans are passionate about their beliefs and want to believe theirs is the correct one. The mere fact people are still here posting, regardless of which side of the fence they're on or if they're trying to straddle it, is simply indicative of the up-in-the-air status of the team as a whole.

And that's what message boards are all about. Pretty much everyone cares about the team; they just differ on what they think it will take to right the ship.

I agree completely.

 

[hrdboild]

So, who do you think will be "around after all the dust settles"? People who cheer the team on or people who want them to tank?

That's a demagogical statement isn't it? The implication is that fans who only want to win are "real fans" whereas the others are short sighted. That it appeals to our common-sense notion of "fandom" doesn't make it any more true. Hoping your team finishes with a bad record so that you get a higher draft pick in one of the best drafts of all time does not make you less of a fan and it certainly doesn't make you less likely to remain a fan after this season. It merely accounts for the fact that teams get better over time and playing a little worse right now might result in a significantly better team over the next four years. Lose a few more games now to win a lot more later. The Kings made it easier to root for them to lose by playing their way to one of the worst records in the league. If they could just keep it up a little longer, all the losing might actually be worth it.

 

[GoGoGadget]

So, who do you think will be "around after all the dust settles"? People who cheer the team on or people who want them to tank?

Easier to answer that question when not worded so as to suggest that those fans hoping for a high draft pick don't also cheer for the team.

 

[Cal-Kings]

That's a demagogical statement isn't it? The implication is that fans who only want to win are "real fans" whereas the others are short sighted. That it appeals to our common-sense notion of "fandom" doesn't make it any more true. Hoping your team finishes with a bad record so that you get a higher draft pick in one of the best drafts of all time does not make you less of a fan and it certainly doesn't make you less likely to remain a fan after this season. It merely accounts for the fact that teams get better over time and playing a little worse right now might result in a significantly better team over the next four years. Lose a few more games now to win a lot more later. The Kings made it easier to root for them to lose by playing their way to one of the worst records in the league. If they could just keep it up a little longer, all the losing might actually be worth it.

So your vote as to "who will be around" are those hoping the team will tank?

 

[Cal-Kings]

Easier to answer that question when not worded so as to suggest that those fans hoping for a high draft pick don't also cheer for the team.

I didn't make the statement, I was just trying to understand it.

 

[Miles and Miles]

So next year the team will need to tank again right? Well because our wonderful player that we get this year is only going to be a rookie so what's the point? We need to tank again to get another good player right? Well then our new guys will only be in their 1st or 2nd season so they won't be ready lets tank again. I think it's WAY too early in the season to be thinking about draft picks it just sounds pesimistic to me. Didn't I say no tankers allowed in this thread?

 

[kennadog]

So next year the team will need to tank again right? Well because our wonderful player that we get this year is only going to be a rookie so what's the point? We need to tank again to get another good player right? Well then our new guys will only be in their 1st or 2nd season so they won't be ready lets tank again. I think it's WAY too early in the season to be thinking about draft picks it just sounds pesimistic to me. Didn't I say no tankers allowed in this thread?

Tanking implies the players deliberately lose. We can lose with players playing their hardest and best. Just depends on who you keep and put on the floor. I'd rather risk a losing season or two with a Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Chris Paul, or Dwayne Wade on board.

 

[D-Mass]

Look. This is nuts. There's a business aspect of the game, and a rah-rah aspect of the game. Neglecting the existence of either one is denying how complicated the world of PROFESSIONAL basketball really is. Those of us "tankers" have been rah-rah fans in the past as rabidly as anyone here. We have simply stepped back to rationally analyze the direction this team is heading in. If we want to return to the level we were at in the early part of this decade, major changes need to occur. I continue to cheer my team on, but I know that with every step we take towards the 8th spot in the playoffs, the further back we go in actually addressing the needs of this franchise in attaining the goal of this sport: a CHAMPIONSHIP.

 

[kennadog]

Look. This is nuts. There's a business aspect of the game, and a rah-rah aspect of the game. Neglecting the existence of either one is denying how complicated the world of PROFESSIONAL basketball really is. Those of us "tankers" have been rah-rah fans in the past as rabidly as anyone here. We have simply stepped back to rationally analyze the direction this team is heading in. If we want to return to the level we were at in the early part of this decade, major changes need to occur. I continue to cheer my team on, but I know that with every step we take towards the 8th spot in the playoffs, the further back we go in actually addressing the needs of this franchise in attaining the goal of this sport: a CHAMPIONSHIP.

Exactly...thank you. As VF21 has tried to point out, we are ALL fans, we just disagree on how our team can get better.

 

[diggining]

No one is saying that the fans who want the Kings to lose so we can get a high pick aren't real fans. I just happen to think that the best long-term policy for this Kings team might not necessarily be to blow up and lose games now. Winning in the future is important, but so is winning in the present, and how one wants to discount future performance vs. current performance is really a matter of one's opinion. So:

Go Kings!!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

No one is saying that the fans who want the Kings to lose so we can get a high pick aren't real fans.

On the contrary, the OP is saying exactly that. And so are a lot of other people. And they're no more correct than the people who are saying the opposite.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Winning in the future is important, but so is winning in the present, and how one wants to discount future performance vs. current performance is really a matter of one's opinion. So:

Go Kings!!

one leads to a championship run and one doesn't. so therefore future is more important than the present in our current scenario.

 

[Entity]

Where is the group that wants to get better but, wants to win now as well. I want a high draft pick, I don't think we are going to get inside of the 7th pick no matter what. So what do you do. You hope for the best all the time and cheer on the team that is out there with Sacramento on the jersey.

 

[hrdboild]

So your vote as to "who will be around" are those hoping the team will tank?

Why does it have to be black and white? I don't think it's black and white and I don't see the point in picking which of the two groups (as if they are that well defined) are going to remain fans after this season when I think that has very little to do with it. I would guess most of the people posting on this board are fans that are going to stick around for awhile regardless, and as VF21 already said this disagreement is mostly about which direction would be most beneficial for this team right now: patching the holes or just admitting this is not a competitive team and won't be unless we rebuild. I don't even know that I agree with either perspective completely myself. But I do think our front-court is pathetic and the draft this year is loaded with very talented frontcourt prospects. We're already one of the worst teams in the league. If we stay that way, we're virtually guaranteed a quality starting PF or C in the draft. Am I wrong to think that might be a good thing?

Personally, I'm not in favor of dumping everyone. I think Artest is a great player and Martin is a rising star and Miller and Bibby are still, at worst, serviceable starters on a playoff team. But other than that, we have problems. I love seeing the Kings do well, but we had that stretch where we lost a lot of close games and I started thinking, maybe this is a blessing in disguise. Play hard, play well, and still lose. That's really the best case scenario right now because winning isn't going to take us anywhere but a first round playoff exit again whereas losing maybe gets us closer to our goal of getting better. It's not a losing culture if the guys still play hard and play well and then lose. It's a team that needs some more players to be competitive, which is what I think we have. And I wish the Kings would use this season as an opportunity to play the young players more and accelerate their development with the idea of being better next year. That's where we're at right now. Everything starts over next October. As far as I'm concerned, we're playing for next October right now, not for April and May.

 

[GoGoGadget]

I didn't make the statement, I was just trying to understand it.

No. You didn't make the statement about seeing who would be around when the dust settled.

The comment you made, however, split everyone into two distinct groups: those who cheer for the team, and those who want the team to tank. My problem with that phrasing is that it implies that those hoping for a better draft position and/or full rebuild are somehow rooting against the team. It's subtle, and may not have been intentional, but it's a judgmental comment and I was just pointing that out.

My feelings, my desire to miss the playoffs, my hesitancy to cheer a brand new meaningless win streak, are motivated by the very same loyalty to the team that drives the desire to see your team win as many games as possible and have a shot at the playoffs. My fervor may be directed differently, but it's still there.

 

[Cal-Kings]

No. You didn't make the statement about seeing who would be around when the dust settled.

The comment you made, however, split everyone into two distinct groups: those who cheer for the team, and those who want the team to tank. My problem with that phrasing is that it implies that those hoping for a better draft position and/or full rebuild are somehow rooting against the team. It's subtle, and may not have been intentional, but it's a judgmental comment and I was just pointing that out.

My feelings, my desire to miss the playoffs, my hesitancy to cheer a brand new meaningless win streak, are motivated by the very same loyalty to the team that drives the desire to see your team win as many games as possible and have a shot at the playoffs. My fervor may be directed differently, but it's still there.

No, the split was identified in the OP of this thread. I didn't create it. I was trying to understand the comment that suggested one of those sides would not be here when the dust settled.

 

[Jerryaki]

No, the split was identified in the OP of this thread. I didn't create it. I was trying to understand the comment that suggested one of those sides would not be here when the dust settled.

VF's comment does not suggest that one side or another will be there when the dust settles, nor limits it to just the two groups identified in the OP. your question did, though.

 

[Cal-Kings]

VF's comment does not suggest that one side or another will be there when the dust settles, nor limits it to just the two groups identified in the OP. your question did, though.

Sigh... I didn't understand VF's comment which is WHY I ASKED!

Jeez people...

 

[The L Train]

go Kings