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Whit Eboy
Guest
I don't wanna open a new thread, but probably we can talk about this deal again.
Stojakovic
Bench
The Kings aren't going to do it, the Pacers aren't going to do it.
Nothing to talk about.
Nothing to talk about.
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Whit Eboy
Guest
The Pacers may be not going to do it until this MondayStojakovic said:
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Uh yeah. After Ron announces he wants to take time off to promote his rap album. His trade value just sank right through the floor for any team looking for a focused player intent on winning.Whit Eboy said:
On the other hand I disagree about Indiana's stance now. Just how much nonense will they take before they begin to actively shop him? I'm thinking not very much. Can only imagine what Bird thinks of this -- wonder what his response would have been if one of his old Celtics teammates had decided to go cut an album during the season?
Evenstar
Starter
didn't you hear brick, artest said as soon as his album comes out on nov 23rd, he'll turn him focus to winning the championship. we'll just have to wait till thenBricklayer said:Uh yeah. After Ron announces he wants to take time off to promote his rap album. His trade value just sank right through the floor for any team looking for a focused player intent on winning.
On the other hand I disagree about Indiana's stance now. Just how much nonense will they take before they begin to actively shop him? I'm thinking not very much. Can only imagine what Bird thinks of this -- wonder what his response would have been if one of his old Celtics teammates had decided to go cut an album during the season?
man i hope peja's shot comes back soon..... the kings need it BAD!!!!
Exactly. RonRon is becoming a distraction, to say the least. I hope I'm not in the minority when I say that I'm glad we didn't pull the trigger on that one.Bricklayer said:Uh yeah. After Ron announces he wants to take time off to promote his rap album. His trade value just sank right through the floor for any team looking for a focused player intent on winning.
On the other hand I disagree about Indiana's stance now. Just how much nonense will they take before they begin to actively shop him? I'm thinking not very much. Can only imagine what Bird thinks of this -- wonder what his response would have been if one of his old Celtics teammates had decided to go cut an album during the season?
At the same time, he's an incredible talent. I still might do it, but only if we got Bender in the deal as well. And only after November 23.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Guys, Bender's deal is worth even more than Artest's according to hoopshype. We can't get both of them for Peja unless we somehow acquire a sizeable trade exception or throw someone else in too.
Padrino
All-Star
yer certainly not in the minority, my friend. there is no way i would do this if i were geoff petrie. if we decide to trade peja at any point this season, it better not have anything to do with artest. its no secret now that indiana has been shopping artest around since the summer. artest's comments these past coupla days surpass even shaq on the ludicrous scale. he says, and i quote, "They [indiana] probably expected a little more, expected me to play every game. Everybody's different. It's early in the season, so i feel like i could take some time off early and be ready for the long stretch." wtf??? is this guy for real??? he's PAID to play basketball!!! of course they expect a little more! of course they expect him to play every game in which he's pysically capable of playing. "my body has been aching" is not a valid excuse. if he's got no strains, pulls, breaks, or debilitating diseases, then he should be on the court. i have no problem w/ carlisle benching him for these ridiculous comments. the only reasons i ever considered for trading peja away for this clown was because, like b-jax said, we dont want guys on our team who dont wanna play for us. ibut ts clear that artest does not have basketball on his mind. it aint a priority for him at the moment. he's got some grandiose delusion of becoming some big-time rapper. "ive been doing too much music, needed the rest." what an idiot. suck it up and play, jerkweed.Superman said:
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"What does 'integrity' mean?" - Ron Artest
WalMatt23
G-League
how can Artest not succeed with such songs as "Let's get it Poppin?"
Heres an exerpt:
Lets...get...it... poppin
The club is packin'
pockets stack in it
cup got yack in it
now I'm twistin back in
chain hang swing like bling- he a rapper
you know i got Tat Ten(?)- he a clapper (bang, bang)
Keep smokin in the club
nah nah nah nah
Smokin on that good bud
nah nah nah nah
ice f---in with the bulb
nah nah nah nah
frontin n---a catch a slug
nah nah nah nah"
Heres an exerpt:
Lets...get...it... poppin
The club is packin'
pockets stack in it
cup got yack in it
now I'm twistin back in
chain hang swing like bling- he a rapper
you know i got Tat Ten(?)- he a clapper (bang, bang)
Keep smokin in the club
nah nah nah nah
Smokin on that good bud
nah nah nah nah
ice f---in with the bulb
nah nah nah nah
frontin n---a catch a slug
nah nah nah nah"
Diabeticwonder
Bench
Donnie Walsh is now saying that Ron never said a thing to him or Carlisle about taking time off due to his music career....a very nice spin to kill the situation so he can be traded. As for me I'd take the risk with Ron if Peja doesn't come out of the funk that he's in or if in fact Chad Ford is correct about Peja and his dwindling work ethic.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I know I;ve said this before, but you just cannot blow it when you trade a Peja Stojakovic. You simply have to get value and a core building block in return. if you take achance on somebody, and they go south on you for whatever reason, you can never recover from that loss of talent.Diabeticwonder said:
Diabeticwonder
Bench
True, but if Peja doesn't want to be here, plays like he doesn't want to be here, and is aloof with others on the team then he needs to go. So if it's not Artest then who do the Kings get back in return for him since they don't need draft picks, they need someone that can help them win now.
$$KingsEDH$$
Prospect
**Rumor** Peja for Artest AGAIN
"The Pacers and Kings have been talking about a straight-up Artest for Peja Stojakovic trade. Stojakovic, unhappy and feeling alienated by his teammates in Sacramento, is merely going through the motions, averaging 13 points. The Kings are in the same position as the Pacers. They know they are going to have to trade one of their All-Star players. Expect this trade to happen fairly soon." Detroit News
SALT LAKE CITY -- Ron Artest is not crazy -- not clinically, anyway. He is a lot of things -- impetuous, immature, selfish, eccentric, restless, temperamental -- but not crazy.
He does have a real hard time expressing himself. The words seem to come tumbling out of him so fast, they get jumbled up, and before he knows it, he's rambled on for five or 10 minutes and he sounds, well, certifiable.
But he's not, and the guys who know him best, the players, were the first to recognize what Artest's original intentions probably were last week. "You all aren't buying any of that stuff are you?" the Pistons' Derrick Coleman said, the day after Artest told the world he asked for time off because his musical endeavors had worn him out. "Come on, man. He's playing you all."
A lot of people believe Artest's original intent was to give his music company some free national exposure.
"It's something I would never do, but that really could have been a plot to get sales," said Celtics forward Walter McCarty, who also dabbles in the recording industry. "One thing you have to understand is that Ron Artest is not a dumb person. He's a smart person. He obviously knows how to get his name in the paper."
That's not to say what he did was right. It was ridiculous, as he has as much admitted since. He put his team, his coach and his organization in a horrible position. But the reaction from the media -- when I say media, I really mean the shouting heads on ESPN -- was just as ridiculous.
Let's keep this in perspective. ESPN gave up the first 15 minutes of "SportsCenter" to Artest and came back to it continuously throughout the show. Meanwhile, on the same day, Milwaukee's Marcus Fizer was busted for carrying a loaded handgun. Did you even know that?
Which affront is more dangerous? Which one is more crazy? Fizer got a one-game suspension. Artest was benched for two.
I know the Artest story was more sensational, more conversational. Everybody carries a handgun these days, right? Please.
Anyway, the fallout is that the Pacers now know for sure they have to trade Artest. They put him back into the lineup (where he scored 29 points Friday). They hope he says the right things to keep his trade value high.
The Pacers and Kings have been talking about a straight-up Artest for Peja Stojakovic trade. Stojakovic, unhappy and feeling alienated by his teammates in Sacramento, is merely going through the motions, averaging 13 points. The Kings are in the same position as the Pacers. They know they are going to have to trade one of their All-Star players.
Expect this trade to happen fairly soon.
And when it does, do the Pacers suddenly become the overwhelming favorites in the East?
No.
Stojakovic will no doubt give them a much-needed perimeter scorer. He will be a tremendous boost to their offense. But the Pacers' toughness was suspect with Artest. He is their best and perhaps only perimeter defender. Stojakovic is neither tough nor much interested in defending.
The Pacers will have to play a much more up-tempo game, and that doesn't really jive with Rick Carlisle's system.
And, finally, Jamaal Tinsley is still the point guard.
The Kings, in my humble opinion, would get the bigger short-term boost. The toughness and defensive intensity Artest could bring is an element that team has never had.
Of course, with Artest, every benefit is short-term. You never know when he might pull a Ricky Williams or a Bison Dele, and just walk away.
And that doesn't make him crazy, either.
Just restless.
http://www.detnews.com/2004/pistons/0411/14/c07-4511.htm
Is it just more talk?
"The Pacers and Kings have been talking about a straight-up Artest for Peja Stojakovic trade. Stojakovic, unhappy and feeling alienated by his teammates in Sacramento, is merely going through the motions, averaging 13 points. The Kings are in the same position as the Pacers. They know they are going to have to trade one of their All-Star players. Expect this trade to happen fairly soon." Detroit News
SALT LAKE CITY -- Ron Artest is not crazy -- not clinically, anyway. He is a lot of things -- impetuous, immature, selfish, eccentric, restless, temperamental -- but not crazy.
He does have a real hard time expressing himself. The words seem to come tumbling out of him so fast, they get jumbled up, and before he knows it, he's rambled on for five or 10 minutes and he sounds, well, certifiable.
But he's not, and the guys who know him best, the players, were the first to recognize what Artest's original intentions probably were last week. "You all aren't buying any of that stuff are you?" the Pistons' Derrick Coleman said, the day after Artest told the world he asked for time off because his musical endeavors had worn him out. "Come on, man. He's playing you all."
A lot of people believe Artest's original intent was to give his music company some free national exposure.
"It's something I would never do, but that really could have been a plot to get sales," said Celtics forward Walter McCarty, who also dabbles in the recording industry. "One thing you have to understand is that Ron Artest is not a dumb person. He's a smart person. He obviously knows how to get his name in the paper."
That's not to say what he did was right. It was ridiculous, as he has as much admitted since. He put his team, his coach and his organization in a horrible position. But the reaction from the media -- when I say media, I really mean the shouting heads on ESPN -- was just as ridiculous.
Let's keep this in perspective. ESPN gave up the first 15 minutes of "SportsCenter" to Artest and came back to it continuously throughout the show. Meanwhile, on the same day, Milwaukee's Marcus Fizer was busted for carrying a loaded handgun. Did you even know that?
Which affront is more dangerous? Which one is more crazy? Fizer got a one-game suspension. Artest was benched for two.
I know the Artest story was more sensational, more conversational. Everybody carries a handgun these days, right? Please.
Anyway, the fallout is that the Pacers now know for sure they have to trade Artest. They put him back into the lineup (where he scored 29 points Friday). They hope he says the right things to keep his trade value high.
The Pacers and Kings have been talking about a straight-up Artest for Peja Stojakovic trade. Stojakovic, unhappy and feeling alienated by his teammates in Sacramento, is merely going through the motions, averaging 13 points. The Kings are in the same position as the Pacers. They know they are going to have to trade one of their All-Star players.
Expect this trade to happen fairly soon.
And when it does, do the Pacers suddenly become the overwhelming favorites in the East?
No.
Stojakovic will no doubt give them a much-needed perimeter scorer. He will be a tremendous boost to their offense. But the Pacers' toughness was suspect with Artest. He is their best and perhaps only perimeter defender. Stojakovic is neither tough nor much interested in defending.
The Pacers will have to play a much more up-tempo game, and that doesn't really jive with Rick Carlisle's system.
And, finally, Jamaal Tinsley is still the point guard.
The Kings, in my humble opinion, would get the bigger short-term boost. The toughness and defensive intensity Artest could bring is an element that team has never had.
Of course, with Artest, every benefit is short-term. You never know when he might pull a Ricky Williams or a Bison Dele, and just walk away.
And that doesn't make him crazy, either.
Just restless.
http://www.detnews.com/2004/pistons/0411/14/c07-4511.htm
Is it just more talk?
bleedpurple
Bench
uh-huh...right.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The only point of the season where Peja was averaging 13pts (13.5 actually) was after the Spurs game -- Game 2 of the season.
Odd statement for this article to make given that it was obviously written after Artest's latest rap incident.
Odd statement for this article to make given that it was obviously written after Artest's latest rap incident.
Padrino
All-Star
hahaaaaa! very cute.vj9999 said:
i honestly do not see this trade happening. peja is getting his stroke back, and watching him swish 30 ft three-pointers has really revived my appreciation for him as a player, as well as his defensive efforts against carmelo anthony tonight. he didnt stop him from scoring, but he kept his shooting percentage low, and forced a few turnovers and some really bad shots. peja's playing well again, and artest is promoting an album....oh, and he wants to pursue a boxing career as well. peja just wants to get back to "playing his game" as he says. i'll take the guy who wants to play ball. goeff petrie isnt about to pull the trigger on a risky trade like this, especially considering the recent happenings and criticisms surrounding ron artest.
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