The one and ONLY Rubio thread (merged)
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Doubt that ... Hate is the best word to describe it. And the main reason is that many people wanted him over Evans. It is not about Rubio real man and player, it is about Rubio phantom who is like a red cloth in bullfighting. Many people created their own Rubious. Suddenly, the guy is not even a basketball player anymore because he can do nothing on the court. Do not bash him, do not hate him just because you are frustrated that many fans think he was the best prospect in the draft.
It is time to let it go for both sides.
It is time to let it go for both sides.
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its gonna be ugly... i wont be acting like a dumb laker fan though. its gonna be a super-mega thread. quoting every single rubio hater on this site. every member that was pro-evans/anti-rubio will get it in the worst way. every poster that said that evans was gonna be a pg will hate the day that they ever posted it. and i will make sure that the date and time is listed as well. its going to be amazing....
but if im wrong i'll kindly admit it and move on with my life.... no "but's" or "if's"... i'll admit to being wrong and that will be it.
but if im wrong i'll kindly admit it and move on with my life.... no "but's" or "if's"... i'll admit to being wrong and that will be it.
I actually started disliking Rubio when i first heard about him over a year ago. Due to the hype i looked up whatever footage of rubio was available at the time and i made my decision. I believe he wouldnt get away with alot of the things he does in FIBA. As news about him started to get crammed down everyones throats by the media i grew to dislike him more and more. Its less of a way to prop up Evans and more so about not buying Ricky's game.
How exactly would Rubio have not gotten paid anything? In order for Minnesota to buy out Rubios contract DKV would have to have given Rubio the money first. Otherwise what is there to buy out? Rubio would have gotten one big check for around the sum of his entire DKV contract. Either that or Minnesota would have disppersed the money to Rubio accordingly. Think for a moment.
How exactly would Rubio have not gotten paid anything? In order for Minnesota to buy out Rubios contract DKV would have to have given Rubio the money first. Otherwise what is there to buy out? Rubio would have gotten one big check for around the sum of his entire DKV contract. Either that or Minnesota would have disppersed the money to Rubio accordingly. Think for a moment.
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rubios buyout is like a early termination fee... its worth way, way, way more than his actual contract from joventut... and if he had played in minny this season he would end the season in debt....
i found this link in a twolves message board...
http://www.canishoopus.com/2009/9/1/1011609/sticky-ricky
all i have to say is damn....rubio would have to pay back $8.11 million with only 6.78 million bucks... before taxes... his rookie deal would pay him 3.27 million in year 1 and 3.51 million in year 2. the 3rd and 4th years are team options so its not guaranteed money. rubio made the right choice by staying in spain. id rather wait 2 years and play in the nba for free than to give up my entire check just to share minutes with another rookie at the same position. he was looking out for himself which is okay by my standards.... to hell with the nba and their fans, i wouldnt pay a crappy team millions just to play for the twolves and be broke the entire time.
i found this link in a twolves message board...
http://www.canishoopus.com/2009/9/1/1011609/sticky-ricky
all i have to say is damn....rubio would have to pay back $8.11 million with only 6.78 million bucks... before taxes... his rookie deal would pay him 3.27 million in year 1 and 3.51 million in year 2. the 3rd and 4th years are team options so its not guaranteed money. rubio made the right choice by staying in spain. id rather wait 2 years and play in the nba for free than to give up my entire check just to share minutes with another rookie at the same position. he was looking out for himself which is okay by my standards.... to hell with the nba and their fans, i wouldnt pay a crappy team millions just to play for the twolves and be broke the entire time.
At what point do you look at the process and decide that maybe, just maybe, the Kings made the right decision?
In all fairness, in the weeks before the draft I was leaning towards Rubio to be selected if available. But:
All the top PG prospects worked out for the Kings, except Rubio. He went and did a light workout on his own, directed by his manager, and wouldn't work out against other players. Red Flag.
He was HEAVILY scouted by the Kings for quite a while - they are well aware of his strengths and limitations.
The Kings said that they would not choose a player that would not play in the NBA this year - guess where Rubio is going to play for AT LEAST the next two years - Europe. Did you not think Petrie was serious? We won 17 games last season. We aren't the Spurs who can draft players after winning a ring and stash them overseas for a while. We need help now. And him being drafted 4th vs. 3rd makes no difference at all in his being able to come to the NBA this year. None.
Evans may not be the prototypical point guard, but he is apparently at least a decent combo guard who overpowered the other draftees in workouts. He is able to get into the lane pretty easily. He is big and a pretty good defender. He was considered to be one of the top couple talents in the draft.
We traded down in the draft and picked up a pretty decent PG from Portland. We have Beno. Cisco can handle the ball as well. So if playing Evans at the position he played in HS and college (point guard) doesn't work out, we do have some options.
Just chill out and quit threatening to do stupid crap if Evans doesn't end up being the PG you want him to be. Do you think that makes you sound all that impressive? "OOOh, watch out, I can make annoying posts on an internet message board!!!!" Ooooh - shivers.
Look - I don't "hate" Rubio at all - I just think Evans was the smarter choice. Can't you grow up a bit and deal with the fact that the Kings felt the same way? Where is the fun in this game and being a fan if you are angry and bitter all the time?
In all fairness, in the weeks before the draft I was leaning towards Rubio to be selected if available. But:
All the top PG prospects worked out for the Kings, except Rubio. He went and did a light workout on his own, directed by his manager, and wouldn't work out against other players. Red Flag.
He was HEAVILY scouted by the Kings for quite a while - they are well aware of his strengths and limitations.
The Kings said that they would not choose a player that would not play in the NBA this year - guess where Rubio is going to play for AT LEAST the next two years - Europe. Did you not think Petrie was serious? We won 17 games last season. We aren't the Spurs who can draft players after winning a ring and stash them overseas for a while. We need help now. And him being drafted 4th vs. 3rd makes no difference at all in his being able to come to the NBA this year. None.
Evans may not be the prototypical point guard, but he is apparently at least a decent combo guard who overpowered the other draftees in workouts. He is able to get into the lane pretty easily. He is big and a pretty good defender. He was considered to be one of the top couple talents in the draft.
We traded down in the draft and picked up a pretty decent PG from Portland. We have Beno. Cisco can handle the ball as well. So if playing Evans at the position he played in HS and college (point guard) doesn't work out, we do have some options.
Just chill out and quit threatening to do stupid crap if Evans doesn't end up being the PG you want him to be. Do you think that makes you sound all that impressive? "OOOh, watch out, I can make annoying posts on an internet message board!!!!" Ooooh - shivers.
Look - I don't "hate" Rubio at all - I just think Evans was the smarter choice. Can't you grow up a bit and deal with the fact that the Kings felt the same way? Where is the fun in this game and being a fan if you are angry and bitter all the time?
i haven't been on the site in a while. just checked sportsline and rubio isn't coming over. i'm relieved the kings didn't have to go through this fiasco to bring in a player that may or may not be good. some of the posts on this thread will be answered when the season starts and we can watch the player we drafted.
Besides the fact that I think the Kings picked who they felt was the best PBA, they are the only team that got plenty of time to look over Rubio's contract. Assistant GM Levian has plenty of experience with European contracts. He's the one that got Hedo out of his contract and onto the Kings. I still think they would have taken Evans, but to have a chance for a good hard look at that contract might have really sealed the deal.
At this point, I don't care what position Evans plays. If he works out at PG great. More important to me is that he turns out to be an exceptional player in this league for a long time to come. I think he has a chance at that.
At this point, I don't care what position Evans plays. If he works out at PG great. More important to me is that he turns out to be an exceptional player in this league for a long time to come. I think he has a chance at that.
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Great article on the Rubio situation:
http://www.secretsofthecity.com/magazine/blogs/ball
http://www.secretsofthecity.com/magazine/blogs/ball
There are two declarations that never bode well for the person making them:
1. The "Fine! I can't take it here anymore and I'm leaving!" overly-dramatic exit - that almost always ends up being more like a temporary lapse than anything else.
2. The "It'll be ugly! I'll do...blah, blah, blah."
The reason for the first is self-explanatory. As to the second, by the time Rubio proves himself in the NBA - if he ever does - this will be such incredibly old news that no one will care (with the possible exception of Gary). You wanna post a mega-thread like that, no problem. I think you'll be terribly disappointed with the reaction.
Grudges are like field packs on maneuvers - the longer you carry them the heavier they get for you and you alone.
1. The "Fine! I can't take it here anymore and I'm leaving!" overly-dramatic exit - that almost always ends up being more like a temporary lapse than anything else.
2. The "It'll be ugly! I'll do...blah, blah, blah."
The reason for the first is self-explanatory. As to the second, by the time Rubio proves himself in the NBA - if he ever does - this will be such incredibly old news that no one will care (with the possible exception of Gary). You wanna post a mega-thread like that, no problem. I think you'll be terribly disappointed with the reaction.
Grudges are like field packs on maneuvers - the longer you carry them the heavier they get for you and you alone.
I've seen Evans lively and closely. Didn't really wanna quote Mr. King James' advertisement but, I've witnessed indeed.
I guess all I can say is, you'll be surprised.
(I think someone on the board already made this theory but since it's TDOS, I'll try my best to illustrate it again)
Tyreke Evans is 6'6", 220 lbs.
There are only a handful of PGs in the league that are remotely closer to that "weight class":
Jason Kidd (Height: 6'4" Weight: 210)
Deron Williams (Height: 6'3" Weight: 208)
Gilbert Arena (Height: 6'4" Weight: 215)
Chauncey Billups (Height: 6'3" Weight: 202)
Antonio Daniels (Height: 6'4" Weight: 205)
Baron Davis (Height: 6'3" Weight: 215)
And our very own Beno (Height: 6'3" Weight: 205)
Out of those PGs, who would you say is a shut-down defender?
You'll be surprised of how big a mismatch Evans will be. How much the opposing teams will have to deal with regarding the guarding duties. If you're the coach of those listed PGs, which would you prefer to send your PG to guard? the 6'6" 220 Evans or 6'7" 185 Kevin? Besides, you don't wanna switch your PG on Kevin since he doesn't stop running/cutting. He'll drain your PG dry. He's like the LeBron of PGs. (LeBron James is the same case where he's as big as some PFs but is a genetic freak.)
In the end of the day, you can argue that Evans probably not gonna be dishing out assists like Rubio might be in the future. But I think people are underestimating the mismatch Evans will be creating, other players are bound to be left unguarded when he blows by his man and warrants a 2nd defender.
(Just my 2 cents)
I guess all I can say is, you'll be surprised.
(I think someone on the board already made this theory but since it's TDOS, I'll try my best to illustrate it again)
Tyreke Evans is 6'6", 220 lbs.
There are only a handful of PGs in the league that are remotely closer to that "weight class":
Jason Kidd (Height: 6'4" Weight: 210)
Deron Williams (Height: 6'3" Weight: 208)
Gilbert Arena (Height: 6'4" Weight: 215)
Chauncey Billups (Height: 6'3" Weight: 202)
Antonio Daniels (Height: 6'4" Weight: 205)
Baron Davis (Height: 6'3" Weight: 215)
And our very own Beno (Height: 6'3" Weight: 205)
Out of those PGs, who would you say is a shut-down defender?
You'll be surprised of how big a mismatch Evans will be. How much the opposing teams will have to deal with regarding the guarding duties. If you're the coach of those listed PGs, which would you prefer to send your PG to guard? the 6'6" 220 Evans or 6'7" 185 Kevin? Besides, you don't wanna switch your PG on Kevin since he doesn't stop running/cutting. He'll drain your PG dry. He's like the LeBron of PGs. (LeBron James is the same case where he's as big as some PFs but is a genetic freak.)
In the end of the day, you can argue that Evans probably not gonna be dishing out assists like Rubio might be in the future. But I think people are underestimating the mismatch Evans will be creating, other players are bound to be left unguarded when he blows by his man and warrants a 2nd defender.
(Just my 2 cents)
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That's been my argument all along. One spot up in the draft means an extra $300,000 plus a year going towards the buyout plus he liked the city, it has a large spanish speaking contingent and most importantly, he was darn near guaranteed a starting spot here while in Minnesota, it's going to be a lot tougher with Jonny Flynn there.
But to answer the question more directly, NO, I would not be ok with drafting Rubio and then seeing him stay in Europe. That would've been worse for the Kings than it is for Minnesota. At least the Wolves have Flynn to fall back on. The Kings have Sergio and Beno. Nuff said.
But to answer the question more directly, NO, I would not be ok with drafting Rubio and then seeing him stay in Europe. That would've been worse for the Kings than it is for Minnesota. At least the Wolves have Flynn to fall back on. The Kings have Sergio and Beno. Nuff said.
Continued here>>> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=Rubio-090902
Basically, this gives some way to the idea that Rubio would have stayed in Europe REGARDLESS of who drafted him. I am one of the more pro-Rubio guys on this board, but seeing this strategy, it is hard to think that Rubio's camp was not aware of these stipulations possibly leading to more than double the money and zero buyout.
Basically, this gives some way to the idea that Rubio would have stayed in Europe REGARDLESS of who drafted him. I am one of the more pro-Rubio guys on this board, but seeing this strategy, it is hard to think that Rubio's camp was not aware of these stipulations possibly leading to more than double the money and zero buyout.
That would effectively kill the whole purpose of the lottery and the draft. If only certain teams are willing to pony up the buyout money, then you're giving a competitive advantage to the teams with money.
And I don't think you can bar a player from entering the draft due to their status with another league. Not without causing other problems.
And I don't think you can bar a player from entering the draft due to their status with another league. Not without causing other problems.
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no i mean increase the amount overall... right now its 500,000... before it was 250,000... maybe they could increase the amount to $1,000,000 or even per year... kinda like how teams trade with cash considerations or trade exceptions.... that would increase nba teams involvement with foreign teams.
but eliminating a foreign players draft eligibility due to contracts with foreign teams would be a good thing in the long run. because those teams wont be able to do what they did to rubio. the player and their families wont agree to the high buyouts because the players ultimate goal is to play in the nba where they can make the most money....
but eliminating a foreign players draft eligibility due to contracts with foreign teams would be a good thing in the long run. because those teams wont be able to do what they did to rubio. the player and their families wont agree to the high buyouts because the players ultimate goal is to play in the nba where they can make the most money....
I watched Spain - Serbia game on EC tonight. From what I saw, Rubio really needs to play in Europe for 2 more years before he is ready to come to the US. He was their starting point guard and had some big minutes, but didn't really show anything. He's still young and of course he won't be the first option with Gasol brothers and Navarro on the team, but still... Media pumped things up way too much IMHO.
The issue with this is that his game wont be more developed after 2 years in Europe than it would be after 2 years in the NBA. You dont become more NBA ready by playing FIBA. It doesnt make any sense. The fact that that is Rubio's reasoning along with the fact that he refused to workout for any NBA team predraft raises HUGE question marks about his actual ability.
We missed Sergio....I don't know why he isn't there instead Raul Lopez. Rubio can't be our main PG. He was a perfect backup for Calderon in the Olympics, but as a starter is too young I think. Garbajosa is getting too old to play with the national team, also. With Rudy injured we have players to shoot from outside.
Anyway, the problem was in the bench. I hate Scariolo, he can't read the game, he can't make the team work...I think we're doing nothing this euro championship.
Maybe not for a forward, but I think for a PG makes much more sense, as playing FIBA is much more tactical than NBA. And also here he'll play 1/2 games per week, so he'll have a lot more of training time and can work out his shoot technique. That's also very important, because he needs it.
Anyway, the problem was in the bench. I hate Scariolo, he can't read the game, he can't make the team work...I think we're doing nothing this euro championship.
Maybe not for a forward, but I think for a PG makes much more sense, as playing FIBA is much more tactical than NBA. And also here he'll play 1/2 games per week, so he'll have a lot more of training time and can work out his shoot technique. That's also very important, because he needs it.