folsomfella
G-League
Why do the Kings seem to be the only organization guarding against the CBA? No other teams seems to give a ****.
The Official "WTF are you FLIPPIN SERIOUS???" free agency tracker for 2010
Yeah, five million per isn't all that bad for a seven footer who has a few skills.
They're shooting us -- the fans -- in the foot, because there's gonna be a work stoppage. I was hopeful before, but today has removed all hope from the equation. You can't pay Rudy Gay $82 million and then complain about player salaries. Sorry.
mr. moustache
Bench
Sweet Lord! I was SOOOO wrong. I thought Bosh, Lebron, and Wade were the only max guys. I'm fine with Darko's contract. I think with a nurturing organization that appreciates him, he'll be well worth the $5m. At least he isn't Gooden.. Oh wait...
Didn't the Kings throw Gooden in the garbage?
The owner's needed to have a free agent summit of their own. They really are shooting themselves in the face.
Didn't the Kings throw Gooden in the garbage?
The owner's needed to have a free agent summit of their own. They really are shooting themselves in the face.
kupman
Starter
Of course they are. I mean, he played about 6 weeks of half way decent b-ball for a terrible team at the end of the season after years of pure suckitude. He's gonna be great
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It's the bidding war mentality. It starts off rational, then ego takes over, and before you know it you bankrupted your future. I hope everybody overpays like crazy. Just leaves more for the Kings down the line.
NME
Starter
Maybe we're not so much out of the free agency game as we are first in line for Evan Turner.
DoDiGaG0
Bench
wow...this ridiculous.. its supply and demand people..this is what happens when so many GMs go all in and there are only so many chips to go around..
The winners of this off season will be the teams who didn't participate in this BS because of all the long term contracts teams were having to take on...
Just a note: Paul Pierce and RJ opted out while Peja picked up his option
The winners of this off season will be the teams who didn't participate in this BS because of all the long term contracts teams were having to take on...
Just a note: Paul Pierce and RJ opted out while Peja picked up his option
bloom
Starter
Seriously these 5 year deals make me sick…especially since some of these guys end up pouting and demanding a trade, then add in the fact that the money that they’re receiving isn’t even justified to how they play.
Joe Johnson doesn’t even deserve that contract. Didn’t he quit on his team during the playoffs? That’s going to be a nightmare when he decline’s even further.
I totally agree. This isn't looking to good.
Joe Johnson doesn’t even deserve that contract. Didn’t he quit on his team during the playoffs? That’s going to be a nightmare when he decline’s even further.
I totally agree. This isn't looking to good.
piksi
Hall of Famer
Pedja is supposed to make over 15 mil this season. How retarded you you have to be to opt out ? Almost as retarded as the ones who gave him that money to begin with.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
2 words: Mikki Moore
I said who has a few skills.
Seriously though, where we were at that point, Mikki Moore had no value to our team at that point in time, and the signing was further evidence that the front office just didn't get it. I think Darko has value to the Wolves, even though they're a miserable lot on the court, and his contract isn't absolutely horrible. He's also younger and more skilled that Mikki Moore was. Darko is only 25. Moore was 31.
DoDiGaG0
Bench
Idk, ask Richardson Jefferson(opted out of 15.5 mil)
Dr. Spaceman
Bench
With all these awful contracts just being given away on the very first day of FA, Jefferson seems likely to end up looking like a genius. One of the teams who get left out in the cold with all their capspace will surely give this guy a long-term deal (which is what he was gambling on by giving up $15 million this year).
Shockingly, the TWolves' signings today were probably the most reasonable out of all the deals so far. And Memphis saved Kahn from destroying his own team even further by locking up Rudy Gay long term (that would've been I think, the 5th or 6th SF on their roster).
I winced a little when I saw the deals that Milwaulkee made with Salmons and Gooden (I thought Salmons was a goner after they traded for Maggette). But 8 million for Salmons is fair market value considering what he did for them last year. John Hammond's shown he's a pretty good GM (terrible theme park operator), so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. And if -- and this is a huge "if" -- Salmons and Maggette can both learn to play team ball and defense by deferring to Jennings to set up for them, they'll be a solid team. Solid gets you pretty far in the East these days. As for how far, well...
kennadog
Dog On It!
Well of course the fans get screwed the most. We're only the customers, after all.
A smart agent is telling his client to opt out if he thinks he can sign a decent deal this offseason. Peja won't make the same amount this year under a new contract, but he'll likely make a lot more over the length of the deal, especially if the new CBA is more restrictive.
This is peer induced insanity. Actually, I wouldn't even call it insanity. The owners and GMs KNOW they are making bad deals. 5 years and $80 milllion for Rudy Gay? The Grizzlies know it's a terrible contract, or at least they should. But they also know tha most of these teams with big caproom will strike out when it comes to LeBron, Wade Bosh et al and then save face by overspending on the next tier FAs. There's no doubt that if Memphis tried to pay Gay in accordance with his actual value/production some team like the Knicks or Nets would have swooped in to gladly overpay. That's the decision - overspend or lose one of your best players.
And of course the irony is that the whole concept of the Max contract, coupled with the luxury tax was supposed to save the owners from themselves and prevent contracts from spiraling out of control.
Instead, the current CBA creates a situation where few teams have major caproom and few high level FAs are available. As such the "Max" becomes not a ceiling but a starting point for superstars as well as the next tier also rans.
Before the offseason started I thought Anthony Morrow might be a nice player to try and pry from Golden State to add some shooting. Wait and see what a one dimensional player like Morrow ends up getting and then just be happy Petrie is more or less standing pat in free agency this summer.
Jay Z, The Takeover:
A wise man once told me "don't argue with fools,
Cuz people from a distance can't tell who is who."
I didn't know Geoff Petrie was a Jay Z fan.
sidney
Starter
I really can't believe what I'm reading here:
http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider
Channing Frye turned down Phx 5 yr 25 mill offer. Wants full mid-level
How much is the MLE these days? Are ww talking about a total difference of $2.5 million, or $5 million, or $7.5 million?
Edit: The MLE is $5.854 million, so over five years, that's a difference of $4.27 million. I don't blame Frye for trying to get his extra $4 million, although it's kind of funny considering the fact that he completely disappeared in the playoffs.
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sidney
Starter
It was 5/34M last year. That's what Artest got with the Lakers. Might be slightly less this year
Actually, my previous post was wrong. It was $5.854 last year, according to everything I'm seeing. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19
And if I understand correctly, the MLE is based on the average player salary, not the salary cap, right? So it's not likely that it would have gone down. It's being reported that Drew Gooden's contract was and MLE deal, and if that's accurate, then the full MLE would be $6.4 million, and we're talking about a total of $7 million that Frye is asking for from Phoenix. Hope he doesn't wind up like Bonzi Wells when all is said and done.
kennadog
Dog On It!
On the other side of things, we ended up hating the size of Webber's and Bibby's deals, but boy were Kings fans relieved we didn't lose them in free agency at the time. We were especially sweating out the resigning of Webber. When its time to resign Evans, we'll be sweating out again, if he turns into the player we're hoping he'll be. Just like Cleveland fans right now. 
Edit: Remember the only teams that can use the MLE or LLE(?) are teams that are over the salary cap.
Edit: Remember the only teams that can use the MLE or LLE(?) are teams that are over the salary cap.
sidney
Starter
On the other side of things, we ended up hating the size of Webber's and Bibby's deals, but boy were Kings fans relieved we didn't lose them in free agency at the time. We were especially sweating out the resigning of Webber. When its time to resign Evans, we'll be sweating out again, if he turns into the player we're hoping he'll be. Just like Cleveland fans right now.
Edit: Remember the only teams that can use the MLE or LLE(?) are teams that are over the salary cap.
True, but if a team is built with loads of young talent and is on the upswing it makes it that much more difficult for stars to leave unless the owners are being cheap. Big difference between what is happening in Portland and OKC where the players gladly resign as long as the money is right vs Cleveland and Toronto which were managed poorly for years. If Tyreke/Cousins becomes the dynamic duo we hope and a few other guys step up - none of them will want to leave unless the Maloofs botch the offers.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
rudy gay getting 80 mill! woot! another FA we won't have to see threads about
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5346332
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5346332
On the other side of things, we ended up hating the size of Webber's and Bibby's deals, but boy were Kings fans relieved we didn't lose them in free agency at the time. We were especially sweating out the resigning of Webber. When its time to resign Evans, we'll be sweating out again, if he turns into the player we're hoping he'll be. Just like Cleveland fans right now.
Edit: Remember the only teams that can use the MLE or LLE(?) are teams that are over the salary cap.
Of course, Webber's deal was a) 7 years under the old CBA, and b) came after 8 years of service. In contrast, Reke's next deal will come under a new CBA, but even if it were this one, it would be a max 6 years, and after five years of service. So he wouldn't be 35 at the end of his max deal -- assuming that's what he gets; he'd be 30. And it wouldn't be for as much total money or as much per year, just due to the new CBA and the years of service. If Reke becomes what we expect he will, a max deal for our 25 year old All Star will be a no-brainer, and I don't think anyone will have any qualms about it.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Yes, I know it was different. I was just commiserating a little with the fans of teams that may lose their stars. Sucks.
True. We've not really had that experience in free agency.
Gargamel
Starter
If you think this is entertaining, just wait until we get to revisit these deals after the new CBA is in place!
I read a post here a couple weeks ago addressing the benefits of a hard cap, etc, and the example given was how it would prevent the Lakers from signing Piece X, Y, or Z.
It's usually the small market teams that are killing the golden goose with these ASININE signings. What the hell... When we are staring at a season long lockout for lawyers to save these moronic owners and GMs from themselves, it's not going to be because of LA.
If Memphis gives away another retarded contract next year, I'm finally going to have to admit they had a secret deal to give us Pau because they're not upholding the theory that they were trying to save money by taking on Kwame's expiring contract. Rudy Gay 80 million? Haha. If that makes any sense at all, it's in comparison to the supposed market value that Rasho, Gooden, and Amir have.
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