The Kings and Freeagency:

[Padrino]

the upcoming free agency period is unusual for so many reasons, including its brevity. when it officially gets under way on friday, it will be an absolute land rush. so, at this point, any gm who has not called every free agent on the market of even moderate interest is not doing much in the way of diligence. that said, i wouldn't put too much stock into who the kings have reportedly contacted and/or expressed interest in. if i'm remembering correctly, the salary floor has increased 10% in the new collective bargaining agreement, to 85% of the salary cap. given their tremendous amount of space under the cap, the kings do not have a choice but to sign a few free agents, so it would be foolish for geoff petrie to ignore any free agent of note during the shortened free agency period. the kings will obviously pursue the re-signing of marcus thornton very aggressively. i'd fully expect them to match any other offer for thornton, as well, provided its not something in the max salary range. the salary floor is comforting, in a way, because it almost guarantees that the kings retain thornton. the money has to be spent somewhere, and i see thornton as a long term component of our team's future. the rest is a crap shoot...

they'll try to re-sign dalembert, but he'll get plenty of offers elsewhere, and he'll ultimately have to determine if he wants to stick it out with these young kings for the most money, take less money to play for another developing team, or take the MLE to play for a winner. should dalembert walk, there are cheaper, more temporary avenues that the kings can pursue, outside of splashy signings like tyson chandler and marc gasol. mostly, i expect the kings to stand as close to pat as possible as they approach their first game on the 26th. this is not a do-or-die season. its a shortened season after a lengthy lockout, and its an opportunity to create some lasting cohesion among evans, cousins, thornton, and their coaching staff. its an opportunity to see what jimmer might become. its an opportunity to improve on last season's record and get the fans back to arco. with 66 total games upcoming in kamikaze, at-least-every-other-day fashion, this young team may sneak up on some people, like they did at the end of last season, but i anticipate that they'll still fall short of the playoffs. that means another lottery pick, one that can be parlayed into a potential trade for any number of complementary pieces. by next offseason, the kings should have a good idea of what they need outside of their own big three, and they'll have plenty of REAL flexible pieces to move around. with evans, cousins, and thornton in place, creating a well-balanced roster of promising youngsters and seasoned veteran role players shouldn't be nearly as difficult as it appears right now. its not about "loving the status quo," its about giving the core of this team time to learn how to win...

 

[Glenn]

It's still status quo. Sure, the younger players can get better, but it's still the same players (with Thornton and Dally), with the exception of the rookies. Not exactly the major face-lift that you would expect from a team with the cap room of the Kings. With this kind of FA $, the Kings should make some major upgrades in personnel, not continue on the slow-mo treadmill.

In the last three years the Kings have had a face lift that would make Joan Rivers envious. They have a new PG, a new SG, a new SF, a new PF, and a new C.

 

[Kingster]

It's still early, and we all know Petrie holds things close to his vest. with him, have to take rumors with a grain of salt.

But still, every rumor I've heard besides Chandler, leads me to believe we're not ready to as aggressive, or spend as much as we were promised, for years.

Just wish I got the sense we were being as aggressive as LAC, GS and Ind. All teams comparable to us. Younger, gathering talent, have young talent, and looking to become annual playoff teams. Yet, from what I've heard, all those teams are being MUCH more aggressive then us. But time will tell.....

As for overspending on Daly, here's my theory. If we payed say 11M per, and you think he's worth 8M, then we over pay by 3M per, and remember we need to hit the cap floor.

In comparison, if we pay Hayes say 6M, and Barea 6M, I'd argue more then 3M of that total 12M committed, is wasted, given they're bench players who naturally won't have the time on the court to contribute as much. We aren't getting our moneys worth by offering that money to bench/role players. We can argue how much we would have overpayed for those to, in this scenario, but for s**** and giggles, let's say we only overpay 3M of that 12M.

So we overpay 3M for Hayes/Barea

and overpay 3M for Daly,

the overpaying 3M for Daly imo, is much better spent, because he'll produce more, and be more important then two bench players. Not sure how well I explained that. Bottom line, I'd rather overpay for one of the top 3-5 defensive/rebounding centers in the league, rather then overpay for role players who won't contribute as much.

I find it funny, that people think throwing an extra 2 or 3M at Daly is a complete waste of money, yet throwing 6M at either Hayes or Barea, or both, is not a risk, and actually makes more sense. God I hope Petrie has something up his sleeve.

How about overpaying for nobody? Or (better english), don't overpay for anyone? It would be nice if Petrie had some discipline to say no if the price is too high. We're already engage in rationalization for overpaying: If we overpay X, then wouldn't it be better than overpaying for Y and Z? How about making offers to X, Y and Z, but not over the market? Let's take a page out of the San Antonio book. They haven't done badly for a small market team.

 

[spudfan]

How about overpaying for nobody? Or (better english), don't overpay for anyone? It would be nice if Petrie had some discipline to say no if the price is too high. We're already engage in rationalization for overpaying: If we overpay X, then wouldn't it be better than overpaying for Y and Z? How about making offers to X, Y and Z, but not over the market? Let's take a page out of the San Antonio book. They haven't done badly for a small market team.

How do you determine it's over the market? What happens when you don't get any good players because you don't want to offer 5% more? Then you end up paying a bunch of mediocre players that won't help very much.

As for taking a page out of San Antonio's book... it is far from realistic to think you have a good chance of getting players the quality of Ginobli and Parker from a 28 and 57 pick.

 

[sdballer]

How about overpaying for nobody? Or (better english), don't overpay for anyone? It would be nice if Petrie had some discipline to say no if the price is too high. We're already engage in rationalization for overpaying: If we overpay X, then wouldn't it be better than overpaying for Y and Z? How about making offers to X, Y and Z, but not over the market? Let's take a page out of the San Antonio book. They haven't done badly for a small market team.

That's the problem. It isn't overpaying to give someone with Dalembert's skill set around $10M. If anything, it may actually be on the cheaper side.

And San Antonio has the 3rd highest payroll in the league.

 

[rainmaker]

How about overpaying for nobody? Or (better english), don't overpay for anyone? It would be nice if Petrie had some discipline to say no if the price is too high. We're already engage in rationalization for overpaying: If we overpay X, then wouldn't it be better than overpaying for Y and Z? How about making offers to X, Y and Z, but not over the market? Let's take a page out of the San Antonio book. They haven't done badly for a small market team.

I don't think paying Daly 10M per, or a little higher is overpaying. Not with our needs. Not with the FA landscape. Not with the current landscape overall of NBA shotblockers, who can guard both 4's and 5's.

SA threw 10M per at Richard Jefferson. Take a page out of that book, or skip over that chapter?

I've said 10M per is fair market value for Daly. What other similar players are making, or expected to make, is in that neighborhood as well. My argument was towards others, who think offering 10M for Daly is overpaying. I don't agree with that premise. Furthermore, as to the post you're responding too, even IF you consider that overpaying, then what replacement exactly would we not overpay for, and how is throwing(hypothetically) 6M at a Hayes or Barea not overpaying?

The waste, would be in the amount over what someone thinks is market value. If you think Daly's market value is 8M, then offering 10M would be a waste of 2M per, in that persons opinion. Is that reason enough to pass on him? Is that reason enough, to consider throwing maybe 5-7M at Kwame Brown, or 5-7M at Hayes? No, I think both would be a much larger waste of money.

You know, if you want to start an argument about not overpaying anyone, how about starting with using the amnesty on either Salmons or Garcia, or is the foundation of our defense the only position we shouldn't overpay(which is arguable) for?

 

[Kingster]

How do you determine it's over the market? What happens when you don't get any good players because you don't want to offer 5% more? Then you end up paying a bunch of mediocre players that won't help very much.

As for taking a page out of San Antonio's book... it is far from realistic to think you have a good chance of getting players the quality of Ginobli and Parker from a 28 and 57 pick.

The first thing you do is totally ignore the blather from the media, the smoke screens, the amounts of money that players want. It's irrelevant what they want. What's relevant is what they get. And the first market comparable this year (that I know of) is Jordan's contract, an actual signed deal. Start with that, adjust it according to the nature of his contract and his abilities in order to glean what other big men are worth. Look at historical data; adjust for the increase in the cap. That's a good starting point.

 

[Kingster]

I don't think paying Daly 10M per, or a little higher is overpaying. Not with our needs. Not with the FA landscape. Not with the current landscape overall of NBA shotblockers, who can guard both 4's and 5's.

SA threw 10M per at Richard Jefferson. Take a page out of that book, or skip over that chapter?

I've said 10M per is fair market value for Daly. What other similar players are making, or expected to make, is in that neighborhood as well. My argument was towards others, who think offering 10M for Daly is overpaying. I don't agree with that premise. Furthermore, as to the post you're responding too, even IF you consider that overpaying, then what replacement exactly would we not overpay for, and how is throwing(hypothetically) 6M at a Hayes or Barea not overpaying?

The waste, would be in the amount over what someone thinks is market value. If you think Daly's market value is 8M, then offering 10M would be a waste of 2M per, in that persons opinion. Is that reason enough to pass on him? Is that reason enough, to consider throwing maybe 5-7M at Kwame Brown, or 5-7M at Hayes? No, I think both would be a much larger waste of money.

You know, if you want to start an argument about not overpaying anyone, how about starting with using the amnesty on either Salmons or Garcia, or is the foundation of our defense the only position we shouldn't overpay(which is arguable) for?

I don't think it's overpaying either, though I do think it's at the very high end of what is a reasonable salary range. You're using the term, "overpay". I'm just responding to that. I don't think we disagree. Just semantics.

 

[rainmaker]

I don't think it's overpaying either, though I do think it's at the very high end of what is a reasonable salary range. You're using the term, "overpay". I'm just responding to that. I don't think we disagree. Just semantics.

I think we're all just frustrated, given our cap space, needs, and what we've been told for years about spending in the here and now. We don't have much to go off, and every rumor could be false for all we know, but we're not hearing anything promising, while other clubs are apparently being extremely aggressive.

 

[SacTownKid]

After the All Star break Dalembert/Cousins was flat out potent, with most of the lack of any potency coming from Cousins still being a rookie and fading. Daly averaged 11.4pts 11.1reb 1.3 blk after being moved into the starting lineup once the midget Landry was traded. Cousins averaged 14.3pts 9.3reb 3.8ast 1.3stl 0.9blk next to him (and of course shot .424 and notched 4.0TO). Tyson Chandler wants 20mil for averaging 10.4pts 9.4reb 1.1blk. And of course this is hardly a fluke when it comes to Dalembert. He's been a Top 10 per minute rebounder in this league for a decade, and he's Top 50 all time in shotblocks. He'll move into the top 40 sometime next year. Be Top 25 before he's done. He's absolutely PERFECT for what we need at this point.

See, I thought the biggest lack of potency came from Dalembert not closing down the lane for opposing guards but for our own players. He does things well but I think the Kings can get along fine in the areas he does best in without him. I think Whiteside is more the type of shotblocker the Kings need, a weakside penetration stopper.

 

[SacTownKid]

Again, this isn't that hard to figure out. The top shot blockers in the league last year: Bogut, Howard, McGee, Ibaka, Bynum, Milicic, Duncan, Stoudamire, Jefferson, Okafor, Hibbert, Jordan, the Gasols, Josh Smith, Lopez, Dalembert and Brand. Two things stand out about this group:

1. Only six of these teams didn't make the playoffs (the ones with the youngest guys)
2. When you remove the guys on rookie deals (who will almost universally get big pay increases), the average deal is around 13-14M$.

The obvious conclusion, having a shot blocking presence is a major key to competing in this league but it takes money to afford one.

If the Kings want to have an interior presence, its probably going to come from that list (or 2-3 other guys that don't block a lot of shots but still provide great interior D). Now we already tested Dally out last year and for all his flaws, it looks like he works in this team and it sounds like he would be available for around 10M (less than the going rate).

If not him, how exactly do the Kings plan to acquire that much needed piece of the puzzle?

You're leaving out the fact that just about every one of those guys have a much greater understanding of the game and/or can actually catch the ball and finish. The two names that stand out as below the standard of talent are Dalembert and Milic, but by far Dalembert is the most definable as a role player. The majority of those players aren't getting paid because they're role playing shot blockers.

How? Hassan Whiteside. I want to see what the hypes about. I saw him in college and summer league so I know he can block shots. You can pretty much find shot blockers everywhere, the problem is most teams don't have the depth to be able to trade that role for talent, the need a little of both which is almost impossible to find.

 

[Glenn]

Can we elimimate the term "overpay" from our discussions? Please.

I am not sure the word is definable. There are many capitalists who will say that whatever a person is paid is what he is worth. Well, actually that HAS to be true come to think of it. What does the term "overpay" mean? I asked this before and no one answered. Let us say a player is worth $10 mil per year. Is $8 mil underpaying? Is $12 mil overpaying? My point is that the correct amount is in a range and is dependent on other players of similar skill and experience and I like to throw in another factor of "value to the team."

Now I like Daly. I like him because he is a shot blocking threat that matches well with Cousins. In fact, he has proven to match well with Cousins. In my world, a man who has proven to work well with Cousins is worth more than a shot in the dark of another player no matter what his reputation.

Daly doesn't get injured except last year oddly enough. His durability has value.

People on this board were saying that the combo of Cousins and Daly were either the top combo in the league or close to it. This was said last year especially after a game with Gasol/Bynum.

It's all been said. No one has anything new to say. No one will change their opinions which I think is a shame.

Now my clincher: I think there is psychology affecting this conversation. Daly appears luke warm to the Kings and rightfully so. At the beginning of the season he was misused by Westy and as I notice no record of Westy tweeting Daly, I suspect their relationship is not good. Westy tweeted Thornton but not Daly? Why is that? Perhaps there is something going on between Westy and Daly. That's speculation, of course.

We sense his indifference to the Kings so we reject him first. It's a way of cushioning the pain.

I saw an article that said 13 teams had contacted Daly. Somebody values him. If 13 teams are interested in him, what does that make him worth? I would guess that he is wanted more by other teams than many of the fans who post here. Now I can hope that Petrie is not like us.

I'm done on the subject and fortunately with this compacted free agent season, I won't have to read the arguments much longer. It's all very much the same from the same people. I am happy to be on the side of the people I respect the most.

 

[Bricklayer]

The majority of those players aren't getting paid because they're role playing shot blockers.

How? Hassan Whiteside. I want to see what the hypes about. I saw him in college and summer league so I know he can block shots. You can pretty much find shot blockers everywhere, the problem is most teams don't have the depth to be able to trade that role for talent, the need a little of both which is almost impossible to find.

If somebody watches NBA basketball and does not understand the paramount importance of the big lane clogging shotblocker...its just not getting it. And yes, that is PRECISELY why many of those players are being paid. That's the uniting trait.

And its also why half a dozen teams at least would like to add Daly to their rosters. Because most GMs do get it. Single most important player in the NBA, after the stars, is that shotblocker. The same way a PG can make your entire offense run smoother, the shotblocker is the guy that pulls your entire defense together.

The fact that we have so rarely had a good one as a franchise is closely entertwined as to why we historically have consistently been one of the worst defensive teams in the league. We just don't make good defensive personnel decisions. The franchises that traditonally are defensive powerhouses do, its not magic. Its just getting it. Protect the rim first. Control the middle defensively and control the game.

 

[Glenn]

If somebody watches NBA basketball and does not understand the paramount importance of the big lane clogging shotblocker...its just not getting it. And yes, that is PRECISELY why many of those players are being paid. That's the uniting trait.

And its also why half a dozen teams at least would like to add Daly to their rosters. Because most GMs do get it. Single most important player in the NBA, after the stars, is that shotblocker. The same way a PG can make your entire offense run smoother, the shotblocker is the guy that pulls your entire defense together.

The fact that we have so rarely had a good one as a franchise is closely entertwined as to why we historically have consistently been one of the worst defensive teams in the league. We just don't make good defensive personnel decisions.

13.

 

[SacTownKid]

Can we elimimate the term "overpay" from our discussions? Please.

I am not sure the word is definable. There are many capitalists who will say that whatever a person is paid is what he is worth. Well, actually that HAS to be true come to think of it. What does the term "overpay" mean? I asked this before and no one answered. Let us say a player is worth $10 mil per year. Is $8 mil underpaying? Is $12 mil overpaying? My point is that the correct amount is in a range and is dependent on other players of similar skill and experience and I like to throw in another factor of "value to the team."

Now I like Daly. I like him because he is a shot blocking threat that matches well with Cousins. In fact, he has proven to match well with Cousins. In my world, a man who has proven to work well with Cousins is worth more than a shot in the dark of another player no matter what his reputation.

Daly doesn't get injured except last year oddly enough. His durability has value.

People on this board were saying that the combo of Cousins and Daly were either the top combo in the league or close to it. This was said last year especially after a game with Gasol/Bynum.

It's all been said. No one has anything new to say. No one will change their opinions which I think is a shame.

Now my clincher: I think there is psychology affecting this conversation. Daly appears luke warm to the Kings and rightfully so. At the beginning of the season he was misused by Westy and as I notice no record of Westy tweeting Daly, I suspect their relationship is not good. Westy tweeted Thornton but not Daly? Why is that? Perhaps there is something going on between Westy and Daly. That's speculation, of course.

We sense his indifference to the Kings so we reject him first. It's a way of cushioning the pain.

I saw an article that said 13 teams had contacted Daly. Somebody values him. If 13 teams are interested in him, what does that make him worth? I would guess that he is wanted more by other teams than many of the fans who post here. Now I can hope that Petrie is not like us.

I'm done on the subject and fortunately with this compacted free agent season, I won't have to read the arguments much longer. It's all very much the same from the same people. I am happy to be on the side of the people I respect the most.

Overpaying is if you sign a player that doesn't for sure take you right to the top and/or doesn't retain a certain level of value from which you could at least trade it away for something of an adequate talent level.

If you sign Dalembert to 10 million a year that has real cap implications beyond signing another player at half that amount. It could mean the difference between making needed tweeks down the line and having to break off a piece of your core to do the same. If you start talking 10 million a year and those suitors drop from 13 to 3, you know you're getting close and that better be a MAJOR piece for your team but considering how young and underdeveloped this team is, I'm not sure about that.

 

[swisshh]

I have another one of those bad feelings where the Kings make a Tebow-esque pass on Free Agency signings after giving their fans many misleading quotes and sentiments about this being the summer they finally use cap space.

 

[SacTownKid]

If somebody watches NBA basketball and does not understand the paramount importance of the big lane clogging shotblocker...its just not getting it. And yes, that is PRECISELY why many of those players are being paid. That's the uniting trait.

And its also why half a dozen teams at least would like to add Daly to their rosters. Because most GMs do get it. Single most important player in the NBA, after the stars, is that shotblocker. The same way a PG can make your entire offense run smoother, the shotblocker is the guy that pulls your entire defense together.

The fact that we have so rarely had a good one as a franchise is closely entertwined as to why we historically have consistently been one of the worst defensive teams in the league. We just don't make good defensive personnel decisions. The franchises that traditonally are defensive powerhouses do, its not magic. Its just getting it. Protect the rim first. Control the middle defensively and control the game.

Once again, you're talking theories, ones I totally AGREE with. Let me take you back, I'm the guy that was begging for Justin Williams to get time!!! Like I said, you need to separate the man from the myth though. I want to see Hassan play because he can possibly become that interior force, Dalembert did far from proving to me that he is and numbers agree. He's a great player at certain aspects of the game, the greatest of which I think are covered with or without him but offensively it was a struggle at times.

Half a dozen teams? I could have sworn Dalembert was traded for Spencer Hawes and Andres Nocioni, you're telling me any number of teams couldn't beat that if they wanted to?

This team with Dalembert wasn't anywhere close to a team in Sacramento not so long ago that didn't have a "interior stopper". Vlade was a great defender though. He blocked some shots but he was more Hawes as a shotblocker than he was Howard. He played great positional defense though and used positioning to his advantage. Not too unlike Hayes really. Then you had another role player type in Pollard. Still, didn't see a Dalembert anywhere on that team, nor would I condone taking up 1/5th of your salary cap with a Scot Pollard.

 

[SacTownKid]

13.

At what price though? I know of 1 team right now in the hunt that can offer him the money he's looking for. 1.Coincidentally it's the same team that he cites as the best option for him.

 

[SacTownKid]

I have another one of those bad feelings where the Kings make a Tebow-esque pass on Free Agency signings after giving their fans many misleading quotes and sentiments about this being the summer they finally use cap space.

If Nene and Chandler are truly asking for the amounts they reportedly are, I say hold onto that space, sign a few high quality depth guys for post trade purposes where maybe the intentions are super clear initially, and make a deadline splash if you need to. They'll have a much greater understanding of where they need to head after they see this team play together.

 

[Glenn]

At what price though? I know of 1 team right now in the hunt that can offer him the money he's looking for. 1.Coincidentally it's the same team that he cites as the best option for him.

I just made a correction and you want to make something of it? Why? Go debate with someone who cares.

 

[SacTownKid]

I just made a correction and you want to make something of it? Why? Go debate with someone who cares.

Hahaha, no, I was merely making a point about the overall conversation. 30 teams can have interest in a player but if they all have unrealistic expecatations of what it would take to get him there it's all for not.

 

[jcwkings]

Am I the only one who would like to do a sign and trade with Thornton, mabye package him with one of Thompson or Hickson, so we could sign Dally? I just don't see a starting line up consisting of Tyreke, Thornton and Cousins working, all these guys like to score and dominate the ball. I think we should go after Afflalo, hes the perfect 2 to play with tryreke and Jimmer. Also we need a veteran point gaurd who can run the offense off the bench. I like Thornton but hes not very good on defense at least at this point, hes undersized for a sg. He does seem to have the clutch gene though which is important.

 

[Bricklayer]

Am I the only one who would like to do a sign and trade with Thornton, mabye package him with one of Thompson or Hickson, so we could sign Dally? I just don't see a starting line up consisting of Tyreke, Thornton and Cousins working, all these guys like to score and dominate the ball. I think we should go after Afflalo, hes the perfect 2 to play with tryreke and Jimmer. Also we need a veteran point gaurd who can run the offense off the bench. I like Thornton but hes not very good on defense at least at this point, hes undersized for a sg. He does seem to have the clutch gene though which is important.

The lineup may or may not work, but he looked like he might be a 20ppg scorer last season for us. You don't just toss those guys away because of fit withotu giving it a chance. If he was a pure scorer like Kevin then you have to really worry. But he showed variable offense, toughness, rebounding, good passer on the break, and big shot ability. His rep is nowhere near big enough yet for us to get value for that package in a sign and trade. In many ways he is the ultimate justification for the Kevin trade. Kevin begat Landry who begat Thornton, who may be a Kevin level guard but younger, cheaper, and with a better rounded game making him more valuable as a lesser option.

Also upon further consideration Thornton being signed or not should nto matter for resigning Daly. We can go over the cap to resign either of those guys under Bird rules. So if we resign Thronton first, we can still sign Daly even if it takes us over the cap, or vice versa.

As an aside, if we lose Thornton, Afflalo really is the available guy I like most too. But you don't toss a player who flashed as much as Thronton did overbopard for a longshot at a restricted free agent who is as much roleplayer as star.

 

[ParniValjak]

The lineup may or may not work, but he looked like he might be a 20ppg scorer last season for us. You don't just toss those guys away because of fit withotu giving it a chance. If he was a pure scorer like Kevin then you have to really worry. But he showed variable offense, toughness, rebounding, good passer on the break, and big shot ability. His rep is nowhere near big enough yet for us to get value for that package in a sign and trade. In many ways he is the ultimate justification for the Kevin trade. Kevin begat Landry who begat Thornton, who may be a Kevin level guard but younger, cheaper, and with a better rounded game making him more valuable as a lesser option.

Also upon further consideration Thornton being signed or not should nto matter for resigning Daly. We can go over the cap to resign either of those guys under Bird rules. So if we resign Thronton first, we can still sign Daly even if it takes us over the cap, or vice versa.

As an aside, if we lose Thornton, Afflalo really is the available guy I like most too. But you don't toss a player who flashed as much as Thronton did overbopard for a longshot at a restricted free agent who is as much roleplayer as star.

While we can go over the cap to keep our own free agents, I am yet to be convinced that we want to and that is a big thing. I even now recall that interview with one of the Maloofs saying re-signing Thornton is our priority and how we will spend the salary cap money this year but we might not spend it all.

I am 99% sure that Dalembert will not be a Kings this season. That is clear as daylight. What I am secretly hoping for is that our excitable owners go so excited by the play-offs that they want Chandler on the team badly but I recall some stupid quote from them after the finals saying how they realised just how much important the shooting is for a team and how Dallas won because they could shoot. When anyone who mildly understands basketball saw that Chandler was the difference maker.

By now, I should really learn that I shouldn't get my hopes up with this ownership and front office when it comes to "getting it"

 

[Hallama]

Warriors have offered Tyson Chandler 4yrs/60 million. If he accepts, Warriors will have to amnesty Biedrins. Kings could bid for him, shouldn't take much. AB still has some talent, he just lost all of his confidence the last season and a half, mostly because of Don Nelson. He's a guy that might make a comeback if he changes laundry.

 

[Bricklayer]

Warriors have offered Tyson Chandler 4yrs/60 million. If he accepts, Warriors will have to amnesty Biedrins. Kings could bid for him, shouldn't take much. AB still has some talent, he just lost all of his confidence the last season and a half, mostly because of Don Nelson. He's a guy that might make a comeback if he changes laundry.

Yeah, that might be handy. I'm not sure I trust Biedrins after all the mental/physical issues (how soft is he?), but he would be an extra player of the style we are looking for (mobile shotblocker/rebounder) coming on the market. I do have some question though whether he has a defensive impact to equal his stats -- I would for instance sic Dalembert on basically any big in the game and expect him to at least compete and maybe win the matchup, can the same be said for Biedrins? -- but if he gets amnestied and we can get him via the bid process, the price would be right to find out.

 

[Hallama]

Yeah, that might be handy. I'm not sure I trust Biedrins after all the mental/physical issues, but he would be an extra player of the style we are looking for (mobile shotblocker/rebounder) coming on the market. I do have some question though whether he has a defensive impact to equal his stats, but if he gets amnestied and we can get him in a big process, the price would be right to find out.

...and he demands zero shots. A good offensive rebounder with hustle and put-backs. Two to three years ago, I really liked his defense. After he lost his confidence, opposing players and refs could smell it, and he just got abused. He did average 12/11/1.6 not too long ago, and he's still young. FTs are an absolute joke though, I mean it's like watching one of those Faces of Death videos...

 

[Hallama]

And just like that:

KBergCBS If Knicks amnesty Billups
and move Turiaf, they could offer
Chandler a four-year deal starting at
about $14M.

Knicks now look like the frontrunners for Chandler. Wow. So now the Kings could get Ronny Turiaf for cheap...I'm just gonna' shut up now.

 

[Jkbiker]

Warriors have offered Tyson Chandler 4yrs/60 million. If he accepts, Warriors will have to amnesty Biedrins. Kings could bid for him, shouldn't take much. AB still has some talent, he just lost all of his confidence the last season and a half, mostly because of Don Nelson. He's a guy that might make a comeback if he changes laundry.

Wow if Chandler accepts offer after a chat with Chris Paul, Paul might agree to a lt deal with Warriors to play with him, in which case Warriors might give up Curry to NO.

Warriors could be new contender in our division, and we get Biedrens, and Hayes?

It sucks to be Kings Fan today

 

[Jkbiker]

If Knicks get Chandler and Boston gets Chris Paul I would be very Happy!!!!!!!