The Great CWebb Steak Controversy...
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rhythmless
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Look, if you like steak well done or black and blue, that's your business. But if you pay good money to go to a good chef, you are not only paying for the quality of the food, but the vision of the chef. If the chef desires that his menu be cooked to a certain way and wants people to have it like that, then that's his vision.
It's like asking a painter to paint something differently, a photographer to change his style for your pictures, etc. Some might be fine with it, but you also have to know that some people take it seriously and do want you to have it a certain way. Don't like it? Don't frequent the establishment. Simple as that.
Personally, if I want to splurge and go to a more famous chef, I'll defer to his kitchen for how things are done, at least the first time.
Exactly... that's why some restaurants have chosen to stay true to their own tastes.
It's like asking a painter to paint something differently, a photographer to change his style for your pictures, etc. Some might be fine with it, but you also have to know that some people take it seriously and do want you to have it a certain way. Don't like it? Don't frequent the establishment. Simple as that.
Personally, if I want to splurge and go to a more famous chef, I'll defer to his kitchen for how things are done, at least the first time.
Exactly... that's why some restaurants have chosen to stay true to their own tastes.
gunks
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Now I'm super hungry and stuck at work. I hate you.
macadocious
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I didn't think it was the most relevant part of your post. Sorry. And I think I addressed some of it with the rest of my answer.
Most places serve steaks with some topping or seasoning - pepper, salt, butter - whatever. What makes A-1 (or whatever) any different? Matter of degree only.
My wife has to ask for things without pepper or garlic because of intestinal discomfort if she doesn't. I have a friend at work who can't have gluten. Another who is allergic to cheese. I am lactose intolerant but do fine with the pills, as long as I have them. So yes, I and others DO dictate how other items are cooked or presented as well. We are always pleasant and respectful to the wait staff and always tip well for good service. Never have had one problem about those kind of things and if they cannot comply (seasoning already mixed in, etc.) then we order something different. But the nice, well-run restaraunts always cater to the customer, not the other way around!
I just think it is crazy to insinuate that people can't decide ON THEIR OWN how they want THEIR steak prepared. I can spend my money at any **** steakhouse I please and order it how I want. I don't tell you that your way is wrong. It's just different. Please extend me the same courtesy.
Do you honestly think I don't appreciate a $60 steak more than a $20 steak at medium well? Properly cooked medium well are still very juicy and flavorful. I just happen to like them not mooing when I eat them.
And, you know, that is the reason you are ASKED how you would like it prepared. Because they are all valid options.
Telemachus
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My wife has to have her meat done til there is no pink in the middle. If it isn't done enough, it will make her sick and throw up. I used to know a guy who was told by his doctor (due to medical problems) that he could no longer have red meat. So he would order a steak and tell them to burn it, and then cover it with ketchup to cover up the burnt taste (his way of rationalizing so he could still eat steaks). My point is that everyone has their own reasons for how they like their food, and their own tastes of what they like.
Telemachus
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I don't think I have ever been to a restaurant where things like steak sauce, ketchup, or mustard were on the menu. It is just something you expect to be there. For instance, most places don't list their salad dressing on the menu but every server can tell which ones they have.
No worries. Lots of folks a bit on edge at times right now. Including me. I apologize if that is how it came across.
Work has wiped me out this week. Including my commute, I've put in about 70 hours in the past 5 days, and the other two project managers where I work were out of the office on vacation the whole time so I was handling EVERYONE's problems. Just a stressful week. Glad it is over.
Of course, I am also glad to have a good job! So I don't mean to sound like I am complaining, either.
bajaden
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bajaden
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For starters, I can't believe that this thread is still going on. Really! Over steaks in a resturant? I'll add this. I personally in my 70 years of living on this planet, I won't go into the other planets, Have never gone into a steakhouse where they didn't ask me how I wanted my steak cooked. And I've eaten in the best, and very famous steakhouse in Kansas City. And in that steakhouse in Kansas City, they asked me how I wanted my steak cooked, and although I didn't ask for it, they had A-1 sauce available if wanted. Now I grant you that there may be resturants sprinkled here and there that charge big bucks, that don't give you an option on how you want your steak, and that don't have normal condiments available, but their not the norm.
If thats what you perfer, good for you and enjoy! If those resturants are able to make a profit, good for them. Because in the end, the people decide which are successful and which are not with their wallets. And god bless CWebb for inspiring this thread. Who would have thought!
If thats what you perfer, good for you and enjoy! If those resturants are able to make a profit, good for them. Because in the end, the people decide which are successful and which are not with their wallets. And god bless CWebb for inspiring this thread. Who would have thought!
Yeah, but you still had time to correct me about Ripley. Very humiliating!
You aren't going to let that go, are you?
macadocious
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I prefer steak tar tar well done.
Bricklayer
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Bricklayer
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LilMissDiva
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Medium-Rare here... and anyone ever heard of the Customer is always Right? Get some Steak Sauce for crying out loud.
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Kingsguy881
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Man I can't find anything to ever agree with you about.
When someone orders a steak the first thing out of the servers mouth is 'How would you like that?' Period. End of discussion.
Yeah, but I wasn't silly enough to volunteer for that on an ongoing basis. Infrequently is plenty for me.
Welcome to the practice of law.
I think I was talking more about some of the opinions of the posters here than Webber being a steak snob. He likes it the way he likes it, he's not telling anyone else they need to eat steak the way he does or else they just don't have any idea how to enjoy a steak. Steak and beer snobs have this strange white trash elegance about them that irritates the hell out of me. There is nothing fancy about eating a steak or drinking a beer, yet they act like there is a right and a wrong way to do it. If these people had restaurants, they would be the chefs who would tell the customer they are going to make the steak the way they want whether the customer likes it or not.
macadocious
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I can tell you this, if you go into a fancy restaurant and order a steak anything above medium, you will not get the best cut they have.
Maybe so, but that would reflect poorly on the restaraunt, not the customer.
The funny thing is that I and many of the people who have taken the restaurant's side either have owned, have family who own or have worked significantly in the industry and most of us have said we personally wouldn't do it that way but that we also understand the position of this particular restaurant as their right. Again it is a matter of if you want the same thing the same way every time then just go to the same place that always serves it that way, simple as that. If you don't like the terms of the restaurant you chose, go someplace else (which to Webber's credit he did).
Rookie
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I don't think anyone in here really had an issue with the restaurant...but have issue with the people stating that ordering a steak a certain way is "wrong" or "don't know how to eat a steak". As most have stated, if the restaurant isn't going to comply with what they want, they wouldn't go there. Which is what you stated and we are all in agreement with that.
I'm pretty easy going so I would of eat it but still think Webber did the right thing.
Food...it's a very important and serious matter.
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Kingsguy881
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Nothing wrong with a beer snob. There IS a proper way to enjoy a beer. But it depends on the beer. Education might take work but it is WELL worth it.
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