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jdbraver
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I have a strange feeling that Thabeet will drop out of the top three. This would be a very bad thing b/c I don't think the kings would take him.
On nba.com's consensus mock, he has fallen out of the top 3 in 1/12 of the mocks surveyed, which isn't much, but I won't deny that what you say is possible. I also doubt that Geoff would draft him, since he hasn't met with Thabeet, and Geoff seems disinclined to draft defensive players regardless.
So it could represent a very major blown opportunity for us, but that happens to some extent in most draft years. We regularly pass on at least one player who drops unexpectedly, because we didn't talk to them or work them out beforehand.
Don't know what we fans can do about that, though. Geoff isn't likely to change his approach to the draft at this point in his career.
So it could represent a very major blown opportunity for us, but that happens to some extent in most draft years. We regularly pass on at least one player who drops unexpectedly, because we didn't talk to them or work them out beforehand.
Don't know what we fans can do about that, though. Geoff isn't likely to change his approach to the draft at this point in his career.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
No way does Petrie take Thabeet, I've heard NOTHING that says they have even considered him at any point in time. Of course, being Geoff Petrie that might mean absolutely nothing, but I'm more than sure that Thabeet won't be a King come next thursday. Petrie could maybe select and then trade his rights but he won't be a King.
While I'm not super high on Thabeet from a prospect and potential standpoint I do think it'd be a mistake for the Thunder to take anyone else. I mean, he is the perfect C for them and if they liked Tyson Chandler they'll love Thabeet. Thabeet's probably around his equivalent athletically, and will be a much better shotblocker than Chandler. Westbrook, Trade/FA???, Durant, Green, and Thabeet is an awesomely balanced lineup. Rubio or Harden throw off the balance of that squad.
While I'm not super high on Thabeet from a prospect and potential standpoint I do think it'd be a mistake for the Thunder to take anyone else. I mean, he is the perfect C for them and if they liked Tyson Chandler they'll love Thabeet. Thabeet's probably around his equivalent athletically, and will be a much better shotblocker than Chandler. Westbrook, Trade/FA???, Durant, Green, and Thabeet is an awesomely balanced lineup. Rubio or Harden throw off the balance of that squad.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
I agree. On both points.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Thabeet is unlikely to slide in this draft -- he is too unique a force this time. There are basically no other shotblocking prospects, and only 1 other center likely to be in the Top 20 (Muellens, who is a risky character and a prject). So basically anybody looking for a center is going to be zeroed in on Thabeet, and even if the team picking at #2 or #3 or us at #4 decides that we don't necessarily need him, there is a strong chance that somebody trades up from behind to secure him. Especially in a draft like this where there is so much uncertainty and so little apparent gap between the 4th and 10th picks.
Now whether we in fact take him if he gets past OKC, who knows. I don't think he is working out for anyone. On the other hand I am quite sure he has met with just about everyone at one point or another, and with all the misdirection and gamesmanship prevalent around the draft the silence about him from Kings official sources is almost suspicious.
Actually if he is just sitting there at #4, now what I WOULD be disappointed in is us not making a strong play to secure that in play Wizards pick at #5 so that we could pick #4/#5, take Thabeet and take our favorite PG. If you are the worst defensive team in basketball and the best defensive player in the draft falls in your lap, a 7'3" shotblocker no less, you find a way.
Now whether we in fact take him if he gets past OKC, who knows. I don't think he is working out for anyone. On the other hand I am quite sure he has met with just about everyone at one point or another, and with all the misdirection and gamesmanship prevalent around the draft the silence about him from Kings official sources is almost suspicious.
Actually if he is just sitting there at #4, now what I WOULD be disappointed in is us not making a strong play to secure that in play Wizards pick at #5 so that we could pick #4/#5, take Thabeet and take our favorite PG. If you are the worst defensive team in basketball and the best defensive player in the draft falls in your lap, a 7'3" shotblocker no less, you find a way.
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GeraldWallace#3
Bench
I read rumors that the Kings are tying to get Thabeet and Young in for workouts.
kingsnation
All-Star
Jechtsphere
Starter
I don't see him going past 3, I'm sure his camp has been told he's a lock for two or three...I did read somewhere that the Kings had tried to get him in for a workout but he's refused or something along those lines.
ElRey
Starter
I think it's very unlikely for Petrie to draft Thabeet, esp if he's refusing to be worked out. Guys who refuse to workout for teams should have a "BUST Alert" warning sign attached to their foreheads.
I'll be pleased if that's true, even if he goes at 2 or 3.
Because, really, either we're interested, or this point of view becomes frighteningly credible:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/190406-sacramento-kings-draft-no-big-men-need-apply
For any Kings fan who'd like to see solid D in the paint, this POV, if correct, means that we need to wait for Geoff to retire before we'll see any progress. And that would royally suck.
beb0p
Starter
Pure rubbish. If GP doesn't like defensive big men how to explain Scot Pollard, Keon Clark, KT, Brian Skinner, Frank Brickowski, Brain Grant, and others?
And why would GP even bother to ask Thabeet to come in for a workout if GP is turned off by the big center?
You've got to look at the whole picture. The reason we don't have great defensive big is because we never had the chance to get one. Similarly, just because I'm not dating a Playboy playmate does not mean I'm oppose to that idea, you know.
And why would GP even bother to ask Thabeet to come in for a workout if GP is turned off by the big center?
You've got to look at the whole picture. The reason we don't have great defensive big is because we never had the chance to get one. Similarly, just because I'm not dating a Playboy playmate does not mean I'm oppose to that idea, you know.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People always throw up that garbage list of bigs and I always laugh at it. Cast offs, waiver wire pickups, throwins in trades, undersized midgets. And they rarely last longer than a year or two. The only true shotblockers we have had in Petrie's interminable career have been Michael Stewart (1 yr) Keon Clark (1yr) and Greg Ostertag (1yr). If you want to stretch it to include Skinner (1.5 yrs) and Pollard, Pollard is the only guy to ever last with those traits (oddly we were at our best while he was here).
Now I of course HOPE the front office has learned a painful lesson after last year's collapse. But the evidence is not and never has been there from the moves they have made over the years.
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And yet, look at your own list. The only guy on it that we drafted was Brian Grant, and most of the others we passed on in the draft. We could have drafted Pollard, or Clark, or Skinner, but didn't. And how long did we keep those players, on average? Two years, maybe? How many have started for the Kings in the last decade? None. And he disposed of most of those guys for a bag of stale chips. Keon, for example. We gave Utah 2 seond round picks and Keon in exchange for one second round pick. We paid them to take him from us.
Conversely, of the top 10 shot blockers in the NBA, we passed on drafting Turiaf and Dalembert, we skipped Chris Andersen, who went undrafted, and we unloaded the exact draft pick that was used to get Perkins.
If Geoff's very interested in defensive bigs, he's got a strange way of showing it.
KingsCitizen
Starter
Thabeet will end up witht the wolves
There is a good possibility that the Timberwolves will end up with Thabeet.
They really need a Center and has already 2 quality starters at PF (Jefferson and Love) which is what Memphis needs.
Twolves can trade Love and either of their 2 late first round picks(#18 or #28) for Thabeet. It should be appealing enough for Memphis to take it as it gives them a starter PF (who they actually drafted last year) and 1 more first round pick.
And with 5 picks in this draft, the Twolves can certainly give up either of their later picks. If they can get Thabeet and Evans in this lottery, that is already a great draft for them.
There is a good possibility that the Timberwolves will end up with Thabeet.
They really need a Center and has already 2 quality starters at PF (Jefferson and Love) which is what Memphis needs.
Twolves can trade Love and either of their 2 late first round picks(#18 or #28) for Thabeet. It should be appealing enough for Memphis to take it as it gives them a starter PF (who they actually drafted last year) and 1 more first round pick.
And with 5 picks in this draft, the Twolves can certainly give up either of their later picks. If they can get Thabeet and Evans in this lottery, that is already a great draft for them.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I think there is more of a chance of the Twolves trading for Rubio. Its just speculation on my part, but all the rumors I have heard surrounding the Twolves involve trading up for Rubio.
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jdbraver
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If thabeet drops to us I think we have to go against need and take him. I would be nice to see a legit shot blocker on the Kings.
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I know people don't like this argument as it's way too speculative, but next year's draft is likely to be very deep in bigs (Monroe, Favors, Davis, Aldrich, Henson, Alabi, Jordan, Motiejunas). I don't see why we should be using our 4th pick so we can be drafting a skill rather than a multi-dimensional player. Regardless of how "rare" shot blockers are supposed to be, the NBA is not running out on them. You draft for BPA and get the role playing rotation guys with other assets.
rings4Kings
G-League
I completly agree, but if he is on the board at four he is the BPA.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Your wording is just a little ambiguous, but I think by saying a skill, your refering to Thabeet, as in a shotblocking skill, and that you would rather go with the BPA who perhaps has all around skills. If so, I agree with you 100%. But then I'm one of those that thinks shotblocking is somewhat overrated.
beb0p
Starter
First of all, Brick, I don't understand why you always have to be rude to people whose opinion you disagree. I know you've made up your mind on this and nothing is going to change it, but then you don't ever put any reasonable counter to it. Your mind is made up, I guess it is what it is.
Second, ever stop to consider that the turnaround happens often because GP is still searching for that elusive defensive big man? If he is so opposed to the traditional big men why even sign/pickup/draft them in the first place? It's as if you think you can just pick up a defensive stalwart off the street somewhere.
If my business keep hiring and firing slackers and losers does that mean I don't want hard-working employees? No, that only means good help is hard to find.
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beb0p
Starter
Actually, you have a strange recollection of events. We traded Keon because he was more interested in getting high than playing basketball. For that matter, many bigs were let go either because we got out-bidded (Michael Steward) or because they suck (Ostertag, Moore, etc). There was only one defensive big who got the job done in all these years (Scot Pollard) and GP kept him for as long as he could.
As for the draft, com'on you know this, the draft is about picking the BPA. Picking Gerald Wallace instead of Dalembert is the right call. Jason Williams instead of Keon Clark is the right call. Tariq Abdul-Wahad over Pollard is also the right call because the SG was thought to be ther better player. Show me where GP had a good defensive big as the BPA and he skipped him. I can tell you it has never happened. Never.
Using your logic, John Paxson doesn't like defensive bigs either because he picked Derek Rose instead of Robin Lopez.
ElRey
Starter
Good defensive Bigs are hard to find... and most of them are picked up very early in the draft every year. Guys like Tyson Chandler don't come cheap either. Petrie wanted to pick Joahkim Noah over Hawes a couple years ago. My last memory of Thabeet is him getting pummelled all game long by Dejaun Blair...needless to say I wasn't impressed with this "defensive specialist"
beb0p
Starter
Agreed. There was indeed chatter that GP wanted Noah and settled for Hawes.
Thabeet is not a good defensive player, but I think the hope is that he can grow into that player. Again, the evidence is here, if GP doesn't like defensive big (or at least one who has the potential) why bother to request Thabeet come in for a workout?
Indeed a good defensive big is very hard to get. One needs luck as well as will. It's important to remember that the last time we had one, Keon Clark, took a pay cut to come here. And before him, Pollard came after he was mistakenly cut by his team without being evaluated.
Keon had substance abuse problems at UNLV, and after he left the NBA. While in the NBA, he never failed a drug test. He was unloaded, along with much of the bench mob, as a cost cutting measure.
How is trading him away with 3 years left on his contract keeping him as long as you can?
Oh, come on. Incorrect does not equal right.
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