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Sorry but like I said, Ive been here 40 years. Forgive me for being a tad negative. Ive seen it all and it tends to wear on a person. Sorry I don't have you guys's sunny disposition.

Lived here for 51 years and I know where you are coming from. But take some comfort in this. Never before has this city had a City Manager like John Shirey. This guy has more power in the city any elected official. He believes in this every bit as much as we do and probably even more. KJ has been the leader, but Shirey and his team do all the heavy lifting on making a deal. These guys are not like the small minded politicians who controlled this city for decades.

It's ok to have some faith in this team.
 
As a lifelong sac resident im tired, TIRED, of all the talk. I just want to see some action.
This city is notorious for talking a big game. From K st to the Rail yards, to the twin 53 story towers, Im jaded to the N'th degree. Our city is littered with projects that failed to make it off the drawing board. And when they did make it off the drawing board they failed in the 1st or 2nd phase (twin towers). I won't believe anything is getting done till I see a skeleton of an arena going up on the K st site. I just wish we had more of a "can do" attitude. It must be the "govt complex" this town has.

Forgive my negativity guys. It just feels like this thing isn't going to happen and im sick and tired of this crap always happening to my home town.

You realize the city only has a small parcel in the railyards and it is currently being worked on for the train station. The whole arena part was having to redo the station. The city had nothing to do with the towers that was all Saca.
 
I say when this is all said and done we just go ahead and take their desired NHL team too (just to rub salt in the wound).

Exactly. They are all turning into pompous a-holes up there and not even acknowledging the facts. And they have the nerve to call us pretty much the same thing, but we have something to lose, they do not so we are allowed to act like this ;)

You would think that the "Sonic" fans know about the NBA but we have a lot of misinformed idiots up there on that stupid Sonic Rising (more like Sonics Setting) who have no clue what they are talking about.

I would LOVE to buy a Sonics t-shirt from them once the BOG meets and keeps the team in Sacramento lol.. I will have to think of something funny to do to it and then post it in the remnants of that site after the vote to keep the team here.. Maybe I will put it on my dog, or use it to wash a car, or modify it to make it into a f-sonics shirt or something similar.

I really do hate those people now :)
 
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Not surprising that they have that attitude. The local newscast up there (King5) pretty much reported that the lack of a term sheet as a MAJOR blow to Sacramento's chances, ...without mentioning that John Shirey, and others, seem very confident that it will be completed very soon. They made it sound like the self-imposed date that Shirey picked was a vital deadline that the city just missed. If I was in Seattle, and watched that incredible slant, I would be confident too. After all, an important part of the story was missing. I have a feeling they will be backtracking soon...
 
This is pretty big news. Another billionaire with international presence in the region where NBA is looking to strongly tap into going forward! Might explain why Stern all of a sudden visited the GSW a few weeks back. Imagine the marketing possibilities in India and Asia in general here. Not to mention that this new owner is a technology Wiz and the ideas he had for Warriors would be applied to the Kings if his bid is successful!

Even though there's an NBA presence here in India (on TV), it's still relatively untapped where cricket dominates the sports world. A very distant second would be soccer (what we call football). Having Ranadivé as an owner would definitely change the landscape in that respect. I believe the NBA has been actively trying to promote basketball here for several years now, so Ranadivé would be a welcomed asset in bridging that gap and bringing more awareness about the game to the Indian subcontinent. Although, having an equivalent to a Yao Ming (or any Indian player in NBA for that matter) would immediately make bball the second most watched sports game after cricket. I have no affiliation with Sacramento, but really do hope the Kings stay because the fans are the some of the greatest I've ever come across. Big fan of you guys!

p.s. Have been in serious lurk mode for a while now, but I watch every Kings game (even if it means staring at boxscores. Fortunately, I have an active enough imagination to still make it exciting (even when we're losing). ;)
 
The new investor definitely helps our cause, but the pie in the sky plans for the downtown arena make me nervous. We need to keep the Kings, first and foremost. Once that is secured, we can move forward and debate every little detail of maximizing the benefit to our city. All of the new ideas and plans make me feel like we're exploring every potential avenue for benefit, when we should be concentrating our efforts on simply keeping the team in town. Sorry if I sound like a downer, as I think our chances now are better than ever, it's just that I'm afraid we're wasting our time trying to find a perfect deal, when all we need is a reasonable one, and time is very much at a premium.
 
I'm with you. The city had an NBA vetted term sheet ready for an owner's signature a year ago. Why not stick with that as part of the entire package? Once we get the team here, where we build a new arena is our business. We can change our minds. I happen to think building it downtown is the best idea for the city but for the league, why not present what their committee already approved or was ready to approve?

The only thing that settles my nerves is that the NBA is assisting in the construction on this new site just as they did with the prior site.
 
I'm with you. The city had an NBA vetted term sheet ready for an owner's signature a year ago. Why not stick with that as part of the entire package? Once we get the team here, where we build a new arena is our business. We can change our minds. I happen to think building it downtown is the best idea for the city but for the league, why not present what their committee already approved or was ready to approve?

The only thing that settles my nerves is that the NBA is assisting in the construction on this new site just as they did with the prior site.

I agree with this. The downtown arena is best for Sacramento, but we need to take what we can get. I honestly believe that, with a matching offer, Sacramento can put up the money and show the NBA what it already knows (Sacramento is a better NBA market than Seattle). Once we have Sacramento ownership, the sky's the limit regarding how we use the team to develop downtown.

P.S. Glenn: I've been on this site for 8 years now (since before I was an adult), and you're Avatar has always given me the creeps ;).
 
I agree with this. The downtown arena is best for Sacramento, but we need to take what we can get. I honestly believe that, with a matching offer, Sacramento can put up the money and show the NBA what it already knows (Sacramento is a better NBA market than Seattle). Once we have Sacramento ownership, the sky's the limit regarding how we use the team to develop downtown.

P.S. Glenn: I've been on this site for 8 years now (since before I was an adult), and you're Avatar has always given me the creeps ;).

I don't have a clue what would bother you. It's the same guy I see in the mirror every morning.
 
Says the guy from friggin IDAHO.

How many sacramento developers have you talked to? How many businesses have you tried to open in this town? How many projects have you been involved in that have failed because of the miserable politics in this city?

You know, everyone here is trying to enjoy the moment, and your pissing on the parade. And what exactly is your point. That you feel the whole thing will fail. Well we don't give a damm how you feel. So go make someone else's life miserable because were not interested in how long you've lived in sacramento and all the pain you've gone through with the failures in the city. You want to quit? Fine, then get out of the way of people that are trying to do something. And take your negativity with you!
 
Ok, I was at the meeting. Honestly, our Crown Downtown group didn't have to ask many questions, because the presentation by Shirey and Dangberg was great, even without a term sheet yet. I had no questions and it was a time for questions, not speeches (Altho Mac Worthy got his speech in at the end as Shirey accomodated him. ;)). And today was a self-imposed deadline by Shirey. The city did not miss some critical deadline.

Actually this year's deal is quite different in some respects and the presentation last night was better than last year's. All of the work done last year was not wasted, particularly in terms of monetizing the parking. There were some handouts. Mike may get them up at Crowndowntown.org, but I'm sure the city will post them, too.

Different location. Will lose about 1,000 parking spaces. However, the shift in location means there will be 20,000 on- and off-street parking spaces within one half mile of the arena. The mall will not be totally lost. They are actually hoping for more businesses within the footprint and reminded one critic that they can build vertically to gain square footage for commercial. There is a potential plan for a new hotel on the site, too.

The city will set-up a nonprofit organization to operate and maintain the parking. This will allow for a mix of taxable and non-taxable bonds for financing. These will be revenue bonds. This means that repayment will be made from revenue dedicated to that purpose. All funds will "waterfall" through the nonprofit and any profit will go to the city. Part of the current hotel occupancy tax will also funnel through the nonprofit to the city. As part of the bond funds, the city the set aside part of the funds raised into a capitalization fund. This will fund future repairs/renovations to parking.

The arena will be owned by the city and the Kings will be tied to the city by a 35-year agreement.

Part of the city's contribution will likely be in the form of public property. This is tricky. Public entities can't just give away public assets. So I'm guessing that they will sell the public property (most likely to Burkle), and the money paid to the city will be part of the city's contribution to the arena. I know the city property in the 800 block of K Street is probably part of this. So the city hopes to gain not only an arena, but a developer who will redevelopment those properties. Selling the city properties also reduces the amount the city has to borrow through bonding.

I can't remember exactly how they will backfill the $9 million in parking revenue lost to the general fund. My mind is fading fast. But the explanation seemed pretty clear and logical to me. One of those is a ticket surcharge for all events at the arena. Of course, over the long term, even with conservative
estimates, they city is likely to get a lot more revenue from property taxes, sales taxes, business licenses, etc. A new hotel would mean more occupancy taxes.

Shirey is right that its more important to get the deal right that meet a self-imposed deadline. They still have time to get out a term sheet for the Tuesday council meeting. They can also hold an emergency council meeting toward the end of next week, if they really need to or they could vote on the term sheet on April 2nd, if absolutely necessary, altho that's not the preference. Maybe you have to meet and hear Shirey to appreciate the guy. He is calm, patient, really smart, well-spoken and I admire the heck out of him. He must be working practically around the clock right now.

The problem with the "opposition" is even if you answer the questions or problems they raise, they never respond back. They just change their argument. Its like trying to have a coherent discussion with someone who changes the subject constantly.

I actually hung around to talk to a couple of them directly. To the lady who thought Hansen and Ballmer could choose to operate STA after the Kings are gone (quite a few laughs, BTW) I told her the land is worth way more than the building. They can make a much bigger one time profit selling that land than trying to operate a crummy arena, even if they "renovated" it. Especially if they just held the land until the levee work gets done. Actually, she had no response to that.

Then I spoke to an older lady (apparently a lawyer) who clearly doesn't want the city to participate at all. She really hogged a lot of time. She thinks the billionaires should pay for it themselves, that the "taxpayers" shouldn't build an arena for billionaires.

I asked her if she'd read the Sac Bee article about the new multi-story, riverfront hotel that the city of West Sacramento was subsidizing. And whether she noted that the article pointed out that no hotel has been built in downtown Sacramento without a public subsidy (Hyatt, Sheraton, Embassy Suites, Citizen). I asked her if she also came down and protested those subsidies to major hotel corporations with multi-millions of dollars. Her answer? "Well, I have to pick my battles." I said, "Yeah, right." I said since the city will own the arena, we aren't building an arena for billionaires, we're building and arena for our city. She just shrugged that off, too, and said if they paid for the arena, we could still get all the benefits to the city with none of the costs. I'm thinking, "In what world do you get something for nothing?" It's really pointless to argue/discuss the issue with most of them. They just ignore or shrugged off any arguments or points the other side makes. To them it just boils down to city money to billionaires.

As to a referendum. If they can even file a referendum on a non-binding term sheet ot have to wait for the non-binding approval at a later date: They have to get 10% of city registered voters to sign a petition within 30 days. Its estimated they would have to get 20.000 to 22,000 valid signatures in 30 days. Good luck with that. I think that would be very, very difficult.

Actually Shirey responded very well, which was part of the reason I didn't feel a need to say anything. He was talking about 3 billionaires who see a city a city and market well worth investing in. He said he has been so surprised about the negativity of people in Sacramento. He doesn't understand why they don't see their own city as worth investing in. Part of the reason I hung around a few minutes, was I wanted to thank John Shirey for his and city staff's hard work on all this. He is such a nice and gracious man.

Finally, I think the addition of Ranadive is a huge boost to Sacramento's bid. Deeper pockets and a person who the NBA has vetted and who is well known by the NBA. Apparently, he had been talking to Burkle for months about joining in the bid. It is easy to see why he is taking the lead on the purchase now. He's a vice-chairman of the Warriors team and has contacts with other owners and league personnel. He's an NBA insider. Note that being the person to lead the bid does not necessarily relate to how much he is putting in or what percentage he will own. He is just taking the lead as the frontman or spokesperson. He does not have to divest himself of his Warriors ownership interest, unless and until he becomes an owner of the Kings. He's already said he will do that, if their bid is successful.

I probably didn't think of everything, but I'm fading fast now. And I still have a lot of windmills to tilt at. ;)
 
The new investor definitely helps our cause, but the pie in the sky plans for the downtown arena make me nervous. We need to keep the Kings, first and foremost. Once that is secured, we can move forward and debate every little detail of maximizing the benefit to our city. All of the new ideas and plans make me feel like we're exploring every potential avenue for benefit, when we should be concentrating our efforts on simply keeping the team in town. Sorry if I sound like a downer, as I think our chances now are better than ever, it's just that I'm afraid we're wasting our time trying to find a perfect deal, when all we need is a reasonable one, and time is very much at a premium.

Pie in the sky? That's the sort of thinking that's done our city in time and time again. It's time to stop worrying about what could happen if you fail and start dreaming about will happen when we win.
 
Having been at yesterday's event and having heard the NIMBY's and CAVE people's "arguments", I have to say that I am sick and tired of this general aura of negativity and the "can't do"-attitude that's been present throughout this entire process like a damn fly buzzing you as you're trying to enjoy dinner. As Mr. Shirey said during the discussion, there is no other city of this size that seems so hellbent on hating itself. Sacramento is, in a sense, a hot chick who doesn't want to admit she's attractive and, in fact, would rather spend her time mutilating herself than accentuating her inherent beauty.

Though I'm still young, I've been to numerous major cities around the world that, while deficient in "attractive" traits, are successful and "world-class" because the people of those cities at one time or another saw for their homes a vision of a grand future. This is our moment. This is when we decide whether we want Sacramento to truly be the best in the world or if we're content with simply being a "drive-through" town

Isn't it time that we stop worrying about "ifs" and "buts"? Our city center could be an amazing place, a bustling regional hub drawing in millions of people from all around California, the country, the world. We just have to think BIG and maintain those BIG ideas as we step towards the future. We have an amazing climate, amazing citizens, and people willing to put their own money behind our future. All we have to do is stop worrying and start believing.

The Sacramento of 2025 could be a bustling destination city. The railyards could finally be developed, teeming with life and anchored by attractions like the expanded Railroad Museum, the Powerhouse Science Center (technically not in the railyards but just over I-5), and other attractions that would bring countless jobs, dollars, and visitors to a once desolate wasteland in the heart of our city. Meanwhile, the Downtown grid, spurred by the opening of the ESC and the subsequent development it would bring, could be a hub of nightlife, dining, music, and culture bringing in people from the outside suburbs and ensuring that the people living inside the city never had to leave it. Second Saturday, no longer taking place in areas often left unpopulated during the week, could become an even bigger event, a monthly showcase and celebration of our city's core. Old Sacramento, now no longer neighbor to unsightly piles of contaminant-ridden dirt and a downtown that resembles the scene of a zombie apocalypse most every weeknight, could become a virtual French Quarter of the west, though admittedly with less beignets and hurricanes. Across the river, West Sacramento's glistening riverfront skyline could compliment its neighbor, providing thousands of hotel rooms and condos but a few minutes from the regional core.

All we have to do is stop focusing on what could go wrong and start focusing on making our dreams into a reality.

Believe in Sacramento for a change. Let's embrace our city's destiny. Let's stop being a "good" city and strive to become a GREAT one. And not just a great one but the GREATEST. The best in the world.

That can happen. We just need to get out of our own way.
 
You know, everyone here is trying to enjoy the moment, and your pissing on the parade. And what exactly is your point. That you feel the whole thing will fail. Well we don't give a damm how you feel. So go make someone else's life miserable because were not interested in how long you've lived in sacramento and all the pain you've gone through with the failures in the city. You want to quit? Fine, then get out of the way of people that are trying to do something. And take your negativity with you!

Hey, you are starting to sound like me!
 
Ok, I was at the meeting. Honestly, our Crown Downtown group didn't have to ask many questions, because the presentation by Shirey and Dangberg was great, even without a term sheet yet. I had no questions and it was a time for questions, not speeches (Altho Mac Worthy got his speech in at the end as Shirey accomodated him. ;)). And today was a self-imposed deadline by Shirey. The city did not miss some critical deadline.

Actually this year's deal is quite different in some respects and the presentation last night was better than last year's. All of the work done last year was not wasted, particularly in terms of monetizing the parking. There were some handouts. Mike may get them up at Crowndowntown.org, but I'm sure the city will post them, too.

Different location. Will lose about 1,000 parking spaces. However, the shift in location means there will be 20,000 on- and off-street parking spaces within one half mile of the arena. The mall will not be totally lost. They are actually hoping for more businesses within the footprint and reminded one critic that they can build vertically to gain square footage for commercial. There is a potential plan for a new hotel on the site, too.

The city will set-up a nonprofit organization to operate and maintain the parking. This will allow for a mix of taxable and non-taxable bonds for financing. These will be revenue bonds. This means that repayment will be made from revenue dedicated to that purpose. All funds will "waterfall" through the nonprofit and any profit will go to the city. Part of the current hotel occupancy tax will also funnel through the nonprofit to the city. As part of the bond funds, the city the set aside part of the funds raised into a capitalization fund. This will fund future repairs/renovations to parking.

The arena will be owned by the city and the Kings will be tied to the city by a 35-year agreement.

Part of the city's contribution will likely be in the form of public property. This is tricky. Public entities can't just give away public assets. So I'm guessing that they will sell the public property (most likely to Burkle), and the money paid to the city will be part of the city's contribution to the arena. I know the city property in the 800 block of K Street is probably part of this. So the city hopes to gain not only an arena, but a developer who will redevelopment those properties. Selling the city properties also reduces the amount the city has to borrow through bonding.

I can't remember exactly how they will backfill the $9 million in parking revenue lost to the general fund. My mind is fading fast. But the explanation seemed pretty clear and logical to me. One of those is a ticket surcharge for all events at the arena. Of course, over the long term, even with conservative
estimates, they city is likely to get a lot more revenue from property taxes, sales taxes, business licenses, etc. A new hotel would mean more occupancy taxes.

Shirey is right that its more important to get the deal right that meet a self-imposed deadline. They still have time to get out a term sheet for the Tuesday council meeting. They can also hold an emergency council meeting toward the end of next week, if they really need to or they could vote on the term sheet on April 2nd, if absolutely necessary, altho that's not the preference. Maybe you have to meet and hear Shirey to appreciate the guy. He is calm, patient, really smart, well-spoken and I admire the heck out of him. He must be working practically around the clock right now.

The problem with the "opposition" is even if you answer the questions or problems they raise, they never respond back. They just change their argument. Its like trying to have a coherent discussion with someone who changes the subject constantly.

I actually hung around to talk to a couple of them directly. To the lady who thought Hansen and Ballmer could choose to operate STA after the Kings are gone (quite a few laughs, BTW) I told her the land is worth way more than the building. They can make a much bigger one time profit selling that land than trying to operate a crummy arena, even if they "renovated" it. Especially if they just held the land until the levee work gets done. Actually, she had no response to that.

Then I spoke to an older lady (apparently a lawyer) who clearly doesn't want the city to participate at all. She really hogged a lot of time. She thinks the billionaires should pay for it themselves, that the "taxpayers" shouldn't build an arena for billionaires.

I asked her if she'd read the Sac Bee article about the new multi-story, riverfront hotel that the city of West Sacramento was subsidizing. And whether she noted that the article pointed out that no hotel has been built in downtown Sacramento without a public subsidy (Hyatt, Sheraton, Embassy Suites, Citizen). I asked her if she also came down and protested those subsidies to major hotel corporations with multi-millions of dollars. Her answer? "Well, I have to pick my battles." I said, "Yeah, right." I said since the city will own the arena, we aren't building an arena for billionaires, we're building and arena for our city. She just shrugged that off, too, and said if they paid for the arena, we could still get all the benefits to the city with none of the costs. I'm thinking, "In what world do you get something for nothing?" It's really pointless to argue/discuss the issue with most of them. They just ignore or shrugged off any arguments or points the other side makes. To them it just boils down to city money to billionaires.

As to a referendum. If they can even file a referendum on a non-binding term sheet ot have to wait for the non-binding approval at a later date: They have to get 10% of city registered voters to sign a petition within 30 days. Its estimated they would have to get 20.000 to 22,000 valid signatures in 30 days. Good luck with that. I think that would be very, very difficult.

Actually Shirey responded very well, which was part of the reason I didn't feel a need to say anything. He was talking about 3 billionaires who see a city a city and market well worth investing in. He said he has been so surprised about the negativity of people in Sacramento. He doesn't understand why they don't see their own city as worth investing in. Part of the reason I hung around a few minutes, was I wanted to thank John Shirey for his and city staff's hard work on all this. He is such a nice and gracious man.

Finally, I think the addition of Ranadive is a huge boost to Sacramento's bid. Deeper pockets and a person who the NBA has vetted and who is well known by the NBA. Apparently, he had been talking to Burkle for months about joining in the bid. It is easy to see why he is taking the lead on the purchase now. He's a vice-chairman of the Warriors team and has contacts with other owners and league personnel. He's an NBA insider. Note that being the person to lead the bid does not necessarily relate to how much he is putting in or what percentage he will own. He is just taking the lead as the frontman or spokesperson. He does not have to divest himself of his Warriors ownership interest, unless and until he becomes an owner of the Kings. He's already said he will do that, if their bid is successful.

I probably didn't think of everything, but I'm fading fast now. And I still have a lot of windmills to tilt at. ;)

GREAT summary!

The $9 million will be paid primarily through ticket surcharges at the arena and other revenue streams they will be looking at as well, but he didn't go into too much detail on those. I think one of them was an incremental sales tax increase in the Plaza area.

One thing I thought was interesting was the fact that they are confident that they can replace the $9 million with EXISTING parking revenues and the surcharges, etc., with additional net parking income available due to enhancements in parking infrastructure. For instance, they want smart meters that can take credit cards and then communicate to you via text message that your parking is expiring if you don't get back in time. You can then extend the time on the meter remotely. They are not looking to increase parking fines, as this is not "customer friendly". They are not counting on additional parking revenues due to arena events and increased business openings in the Plaza area at all for their forecasts. They are being VERY conservative with their estimates to make sure that the City does not lose money on the deal.

To get back to Lynne's discussion on the arguments used by CAVE folks, I was there when she had those conversations with the ladies. It's like arguing with water, first sloshing this way then that. No definite point they could make, just trying to swirl around and confuse the issue.

Shirey covered the jobs to be created, the improvements in retail to be made at the Plaza, the conservative estimates being used for parking revenues, the fact that the City made over $5 million on a similar financing assistance of the Sheraton, etc. The CAVE folks just kept asking the same same ignorant questions on the topics as though they hadn't heard a thing. SMH.

When I told one lady that the City should pay into the arena because the City will OWN the faciltiy, she then just stated that the City should not own it and the billionaires should own it. I don't know if she realizes that that is exactly the reason we are in the situation we are in right now, but she was moving out the door and not wanting to engage in discussion.

And yes, the lady who suggested that Seattle would upgrade and run STA if the team moved got some hearty chuckles from the crowd. :rolleyes:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivek_Ranadivé

This is huge news about Ranadive. MIT grad in electrical engineering. Then for fun and giggles, a Harvard MBA. Very well respected in the business community as a strategic thinker. Has written books on the subject.

Please note the following description of his book, The Power to Predict: How Real Time Businesses Anticipate Consumer Needs, Create Opportunities, and Beat the Competition:

In The Power to Predict, Ranadivé forecasts the next step in achieving breakthrough business performance, a new approach he calls Predictive BusinessTM: the ability to anticipate business problems and opportunities and to act preemptively. Predictive Business allows companies to take real-time information, correlate it with historical patterns, and recognize events that hold tremendous profit potential.

His recent book, The 2 Second Advantage is along the same lines: foreseeing big opportunities before the competition.

Now don't you think that this brilliant guy might see something here in little ol' Sacramento that holds "tremendous profit potential"?

Look, to all those who have doubts about the prospect of buying this team, keeping it in Sacto, and having a fabulous arena in the downtown shopping mall, please consider that you you have some incredibly bright people in Ranadive, Burkle, and Mastrov who think that downtown Sacramento has great potential. Otherwise, they wouldn't waste their time. It's quite understandable that it's the very bright bulbs from outside the area who realize the fantastic opportunity, whereas those who have lived year for years in the sea of negative minimalist thinking don't. This could be the biggest thing for Sacramento since the Gold Rush. No joke.
 
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GREAT summary!

The $9 million will be paid primarily through ticket surcharges at the arena and other revenue streams they will be looking at as well, but he didn't go into too much detail on those. I think one of them was an incremental sales tax increase in the Plaza area.

One thing I thought was interesting was the fact that they are confident that they can replace the $9 million with EXISTING parking revenues and the surcharges, etc., with additional net parking income available due to enhancements in parking infrastructure. For instance, they want smart meters that can take credit cards and then communicate to you via text message that your parking is expiring if you don't get back in time. You can then extend the time on the meter remotely. They are not looking to increase parking fines, as this is not "customer friendly". They are not counting on additional parking revenues due to arena events and increased business openings in the Plaza area at all for their forecasts. They are being VERY conservative with their estimates to make sure that the City does not lose money on the deal.

To get back to Lynne's discussion on the arguments used by CAVE folks, I was there when she had those conversations with the ladies. It's like arguing with water, first sloshing this way then that. No definite point they could make, just trying to swirl around and confuse the issue.

Shirey covered the jobs to be created, the improvements in retail to be made at the Plaza, the conservative estimates being used for parking revenues, the fact that the City made over $5 million on a similar financing assistance of the Sheraton, etc. The CAVE folks just kept asking the same same ignorant questions on the topics as though they hadn't heard a thing. SMH.

When I told one lady that the City should pay into the arena because the City will OWN the faciltiy, she then just stated that the City should not own it and the billionaires should own it. I don't know if she realizes that that is exactly the reason we are in the situation we are in right now, but she was moving out the door and not wanting to engage in discussion.

And yes, the lady who suggested that Seattle would upgrade and run STA if the team moved got some hearty chuckles from the crowd. :rolleyes:

You guys summed it up pretty well. I thought about Shirey's answer to my private parking question. He seemed to be avoiding talking about benefit assessment which I framed as a participation instead of using the "tax" word. The benefit assessment was included in their original principles, so he wouldn't miss that on purpose unless he had a reason. Only one I could conclude is that thanks to these referendum threats, they are avoiding any talk of targeted benefit taxes. Hopefully they can raise this up at a later date.
 
I'm with you. The city had an NBA vetted term sheet ready for an owner's signature a year ago. Why not stick with that as part of the entire package? Once we get the team here, where we build a new arena is our business. We can change our minds. I happen to think building it downtown is the best idea for the city but for the league, why not present what their committee already approved or was ready to approve?

The only thing that settles my nerves is that the NBA is assisting in the construction on this new site just as they did with the prior site.

Because Burkle wants the arena at DTP. Would you rather have the railyards and potentially lose Burkle?
 
Because Burkle wants the arena at DTP. Would you rather have the railyards and potentially lose Burkle?

I think a lot of people didn't understand the change up in sites. Burkle and JMA have been working on this angle since last summer. The city has wanted to do it at DTP since 2004. The city is ok with the Railyards, but they also prefer DTP. The sticking point has been Westfield and the cost of the property was too high. Well Westfield sold off to JMA because they were out of options and lost big time.

Related note, while the ESC would fit next to the depot, it was a very tight fit and messed up a lot of plans for their intermodal station. Moving the ESC to DTP is a double win for them. They are contributing the exact same money and now two sites will be redeveloped where last year they got only one.
 
The misconceptions of Sacramento to the national media is amazing to me. If you read CD's back and forth with Darren Rovell this morning it just proves it once again.

What many don't understand is, that this area has been begging for a downtown for 20+ years that is worth a crap to go to. We finally got the downtown plaza in 90's and instead of something that would revitalize we got a crappy food court, a hot tropic and the Hard Rock Cafe. Not exactly the hub of excitement or economic revitalization. It's not that there was anything inherently wrong with the mall, it's just that it was developed on the previous usage of malls in the 80's. Somewhere kids would go meander and spend money and adults would go use their credit cards. What they did not see was it going sideways, hoodlums and gangsters infiltrating and the affluent who did not want to shop there or take there kids there only after a few years.

Lets face it, that walkway from Old town to K street mall is not exactly safe or inviting. So after a few years it started turning into a side show mall. Nicer stores left, crappier ones went in and less desirable patrons entered.

If there was a downtown arena. Nice restaurants and shops surrounding it. A well lit safe open walking area around it, people would go there all the time. Plus having 200+ events a year would draw people before events and keep them their after. It's not really rocket science.

The reason these don't usually revitalize areas is because they either already have the traffic to those areas (NYC, SF, etc) and/or they never were.

There is no place for people to gather in this area that offers a lot of those things. The closest is the Galleria area and the Fountains in Roseville. But it's limited on space and clientele. I live 20+ miles from Sac. When my wife and used to go out, we used to go downtown to try new places. We don't even consider it now. It's not worth the hassle. Plus the area around the mall has just gone down the toilets as well.

I'm sorta ranting now, but I don't think you can compare this project to most other cities because it's not most other cities. This has been needed since they built arco 1 on the cheap.
 
Thanks first of all to kennadog for her summary and comments about last night's city council open house. We are truly blessed to have people who will both attend and take the time to help the rest of us catch up afterwards.

Last night was a milestone in my mind. John Shirey stood up and made it clear where the city stands on all of this. There will always be nay-sayers. If someone was standing on the court house steps giving away $20 bills, I'm sure at least one person would be there to complain about the misuse of public land.

We're in the home stretch now. This is when everything matters. Kingster brought up an incredibly valid point when he noted that three very bright men have faith in the future of Sacramento and are willing to put their money where their mouth is. It's a good time to be a Kings fan.
 
The misconceptions of Sacramento to the national media is amazing to me. If you read CD's back and forth with Darren Rovell this morning it just proves it once again.

What is Darren Rovell saying? That Sacramento still has no shot....that this is all about the biggest offer?
 
What is Darren Rovell saying? That Sacramento still has no shot....that this is all about the biggest offer?


Still says its about Billionaires, but the main thing is he is discounting the impact of an arena in Sac, saying that $7Billion has never happened. My point was two things

1.) Sac is total different animal, than say, Orlando

2.) $7Billion is looking 35 years forward, it's not the NPV of that money, or at least I don't think it is.
 
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