TDOS All Time Kings Fantasy Draft II (Round 10)
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Mike Woodson (SG)
1985-86 -- 81 games, 15.6 ppg (47.5%), 2.8 rpg, 2.4 apg
You need to put on your blinders for this one and forget about Mike Woodson the coach. Mike Woodson the player was the starting 2 guard on a team that made the playoffs -- the first Sacramento Kings team. Not a great 3-point shooter, but he could play some defense and had basketball smarts. I'm sure he could get open so that Jason Williams and Chris Webber could pass him the ball.
1985-86 -- 81 games, 15.6 ppg (47.5%), 2.8 rpg, 2.4 apg
You need to put on your blinders for this one and forget about Mike Woodson the coach. Mike Woodson the player was the starting 2 guard on a team that made the playoffs -- the first Sacramento Kings team. Not a great 3-point shooter, but he could play some defense and had basketball smarts. I'm sure he could get open so that Jason Williams and Chris Webber could pass him the ball.
I choose
Michael Malone
2013-2014: .341 W/L%
I've got enough offensive talent but the defense is a question mark and Malone is the only coach left with a good reputation on that side of the floor. The results have yet to be seen on the W/L column but at least the consensus is that he belongs, something that cannot be said for most of the coaches, or wannabe coaches, that sat on the King bench.
Michael Malone
2013-2014: .341 W/L%
I've got enough offensive talent but the defense is a question mark and Malone is the only coach left with a good reputation on that side of the floor. The results have yet to be seen on the W/L column but at least the consensus is that he belongs, something that cannot be said for most of the coaches, or wannabe coaches, that sat on the King bench.
It's time for me to get a small forward. I'll admit that my pick was before my time, so I can't speak for his defense. Offensively, however, he was one of the better SFs we've had, particularly in the '89-'90 season when he led the league in minutes played. And despite the fact that he didn't take (or make) many threes he was an efficient scorer (his .568 TS% comes in second among Kings SFs to Peja), presumably getting a lot of easy shots at the rim, like in the picture below. He was a great passer with nearly 5 assists a game. He was also a fantastic rebounder, which I need due to the fact that I missed out on Webb/Cuz.
SF - Rodney McCray (1989-90): 82gms 39.5min 16.6pts (.515 .262 .784) 8.2reb 4.6ast 0.7stl 0.9blk 2.1TO
Brick is on the clock.
SF - Rodney McCray (1989-90): 82gms 39.5min 16.6pts (.515 .262 .784) 8.2reb 4.6ast 0.7stl 0.9blk 2.1TO
Brick is on the clock.
man...ok, well I can trifle with fate no longer:
PG Beno Udrih (2010-11): 79gms 34.6min 13.7pts (.500 .357 .864) 3.4reb 4.9ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.8TO
Despite other evil thoughts, I know this is the right move here. We've missed Beno's relative unselfishness and ability to blend back ever since we dumped him so we could draft Jimmer. Friggin' Maloofs. You forget just how efficient he had become in his later years too. I was looking at Kenny Smith last pick, but really he was a scoring point for us. With the twin egos of the Bash Brothers up front, I needed somebody efficient and unselfish to try to smooth the waters and keep the ball going where it should.
PG Beno Udrih (2010-11): 79gms 34.6min 13.7pts (.500 .357 .864) 3.4reb 4.9ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.8TO
Despite other evil thoughts, I know this is the right move here. We've missed Beno's relative unselfishness and ability to blend back ever since we dumped him so we could draft Jimmer. Friggin' Maloofs. You forget just how efficient he had become in his later years too. I was looking at Kenny Smith last pick, but really he was a scoring point for us. With the twin egos of the Bash Brothers up front, I needed somebody efficient and unselfish to try to smooth the waters and keep the ball going where it should.
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With my 4th selection, I choose:
Spencer Hawes 2008-2009
7'1" 245# Center
77gms 29.3min 11.4pts (.466 .348 .662) 7.1reb 1.9ast 0.6stl 1.2blk 2.1TO
Bringing length, tenacity, versatility, passing, and shooting to the party with this selection. I like his bulk at center, shooting stroke to space the floor, court vision to make the hockey assist, and shot blocking prowess from the center position. He may make a few sophomore mistakes, but paired with Webber, this front line will move the ball with the best of them
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Spencer Hawes 2008-2009
7'1" 245# Center
77gms 29.3min 11.4pts (.466 .348 .662) 7.1reb 1.9ast 0.6stl 1.2blk 2.1TO
Bringing length, tenacity, versatility, passing, and shooting to the party with this selection. I like his bulk at center, shooting stroke to space the floor, court vision to make the hockey assist, and shot blocking prowess from the center position. He may make a few sophomore mistakes, but paired with Webber, this front line will move the ball with the best of them
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Jimmy Jackson
2002-2003
63 games 20.7min 7.7pts (.442 .451 .855) 4.2rebs 1.9ast 0.4stl 0.06blk 1.2TO
I'm believing my PG is still safe for another couple rounds so with that I'm grabbing one of my key 6th man players. Jimmy may have been a little older by the time he came to Sacramento but instantly became one of my favorite Kings in that one season. A tough vet who can score and play good, solid defense is perfect for the 6th man role. Jimmy also played with a little bit of a chip and brings some much needed toughness as well.
2002-2003
63 games 20.7min 7.7pts (.442 .451 .855) 4.2rebs 1.9ast 0.4stl 0.06blk 1.2TO
I'm believing my PG is still safe for another couple rounds so with that I'm grabbing one of my key 6th man players. Jimmy may have been a little older by the time he came to Sacramento but instantly became one of my favorite Kings in that one season. A tough vet who can score and play good, solid defense is perfect for the 6th man role. Jimmy also played with a little bit of a chip and brings some much needed toughness as well.
Really not sure which way to go here... going back and forth and my boss's boss just called me in to start our day long meeting... hmmm...
Just changed my mind at the last minute. I need a PG, and my SG is not exactly a defender, so I'll go with the best PG defender available. He may not be a big distributor, but with Webber and the LTrain I don't think that will be so bad. And his backcourt defense will be a big help. Plus he won rings! (Later in his career, I'm picking him as a 2nd year player.)
Randy Brown
1992-93 75gms 23.0min 7.6pts (.463 .333 .732) 2.8rebs 2.6ast 1.4stl 0.5blk 1.6TO
Just changed my mind at the last minute. I need a PG, and my SG is not exactly a defender, so I'll go with the best PG defender available. He may not be a big distributor, but with Webber and the LTrain I don't think that will be so bad. And his backcourt defense will be a big help. Plus he won rings! (Later in his career, I'm picking him as a 2nd year player.)
Randy Brown
1992-93 75gms 23.0min 7.6pts (.463 .333 .732) 2.8rebs 2.6ast 1.4stl 0.5blk 1.6TO
This recent run on Small Forwards hurt a lot. Seeing Jimmy Jackson and the Big Nasty taken back-to-back ... yeah, that stung. And I know Peja Stojakovic is not walking through that door. Ron Artest is not walking through that door ...
Time to get a little bold. Sticking with my theme of intense, fan-favorites, time to add even more flavor.
What's that I hear? Could it be the echo of our old victory chant reverberating from Arco's rafters?
wall-ace. Wall-ace. WALL-ACE.
Wait, no. Not that one.
Gerald Wallace, SF (02-03): 47gms 12.1min 4.7pts (.492 .250 .527) 2.7reb 0.5 ast 0.5stl 0.3blk 0.9TO
Ah yes, there he is. The very embodiment of endless potential in a Kings uniform. He was our own version of Red Auerbach's victory cigar. Whenever we were cruising to a win during the golden era, in would come Wallace and we'd settle in for a show.
We all knew we had something special - that we'd stolen some serious talent at the end of the draft. But where would a raw, wild lightning-bolt fit within the magnificent machines that were our teams of legitmate contenders? It was like cocktail sauce on a banana. Stuck behind Peja, Hedo, J. Jackson and a group of seasoned, wily veterans during his three year stint, he became just another toy in our embarrassment of riches toy chest.
And then he was stolen from us. Or rather, we put him on the sidewalk with a sign "Free to a Good Home" and overnight he was gone. Predictably, thrust into a starting role on a young team searching for an identity, he steadied out and began to contribute, eventually to the tune of more than 15 points, 7 rebounds and a couple assists, steals and blocks a game for the one-time all-star.
Of course, it's unfair to project what Wallace became and claim it to be what he was then. I'm still taking the raw, wild lightning-bolt in a suddenly young front court teamed with Baby Brian Grant who will both be leaning on the veteran leadership of Doug, Bobby and Mitch.
But the talent is there. The heart is there. And if nothing else, my team is going to be fun to watch.
Time to get a little bold. Sticking with my theme of intense, fan-favorites, time to add even more flavor.
What's that I hear? Could it be the echo of our old victory chant reverberating from Arco's rafters?
wall-ace. Wall-ace. WALL-ACE.
Wait, no. Not that one.
Gerald Wallace, SF (02-03): 47gms 12.1min 4.7pts (.492 .250 .527) 2.7reb 0.5 ast 0.5stl 0.3blk 0.9TO
Ah yes, there he is. The very embodiment of endless potential in a Kings uniform. He was our own version of Red Auerbach's victory cigar. Whenever we were cruising to a win during the golden era, in would come Wallace and we'd settle in for a show.
We all knew we had something special - that we'd stolen some serious talent at the end of the draft. But where would a raw, wild lightning-bolt fit within the magnificent machines that were our teams of legitmate contenders? It was like cocktail sauce on a banana. Stuck behind Peja, Hedo, J. Jackson and a group of seasoned, wily veterans during his three year stint, he became just another toy in our embarrassment of riches toy chest.
And then he was stolen from us. Or rather, we put him on the sidewalk with a sign "Free to a Good Home" and overnight he was gone. Predictably, thrust into a starting role on a young team searching for an identity, he steadied out and began to contribute, eventually to the tune of more than 15 points, 7 rebounds and a couple assists, steals and blocks a game for the one-time all-star.
Of course, it's unfair to project what Wallace became and claim it to be what he was then. I'm still taking the raw, wild lightning-bolt in a suddenly young front court teamed with Baby Brian Grant who will both be leaning on the veteran leadership of Doug, Bobby and Mitch.
But the talent is there. The heart is there. And if nothing else, my team is going to be fun to watch.
OK, well these next two picks are pretty easy. We're at a point in the draft where actual NBA talent is few and far between, and these two had, or will have, long and productive NBA careers.
First:
Cuttino Mobley, SG (SF/PG) (04-05) 43gms 38.7mpg 17.8ppg (.440 .424 .831) 3.9rpg 3.4apg 1.2stl 0.5bpg 2.1TO
Sweet shooting lefty to come off the bench. Can play multiple positions effectively, can handle it and pass. He can come off the bench and light it up. Also one of the few guards in our history that can compete defensively, he's a pesky defender. Considering what else was left on the board, Mobley is by far the best option to come off the bench. We're going to have a stronger, deeper backcourt than anyone else in this draft.
Next pick coming...
First:
Cuttino Mobley, SG (SF/PG) (04-05) 43gms 38.7mpg 17.8ppg (.440 .424 .831) 3.9rpg 3.4apg 1.2stl 0.5bpg 2.1TO
Sweet shooting lefty to come off the bench. Can play multiple positions effectively, can handle it and pass. He can come off the bench and light it up. Also one of the few guards in our history that can compete defensively, he's a pesky defender. Considering what else was left on the board, Mobley is by far the best option to come off the bench. We're going to have a stronger, deeper backcourt than anyone else in this draft.
Next pick coming...
So to start off the fifth round, I just have to take everybody's favourite Pizza Boy. It's pretty clear how unpopular he is on this forum, or he'd be long gone. His departing words and attitude have left a bitter taste in the mouths of our residents here, but in terms of talent, he can't slip any further. It's the fifth round, people. He's a steal here. Sacramento's history isn't littered with great PGs, and I need one badly.
Isaiah Thomas, PG (13-14) 72gms 34.7mpg 20.3ppg (.453 .349 .850) 2.9rpg 6.3apg 1.3spg 0.1bpg 3.0TO
Isaiah is flat out the most talented player left on the board, and is joining a veteran-laden team who have won in the past. I have faith that Vlade, Mitch and co can reign him in for the good of the team. The Hustlin' Huskie will at the very least bring a lot of energy to the team, and can spark a run at any given moment. In this draft, talent is talent, you can't just pass it up. IT is a welcome addition in the fifth round. He's the only legit starting level talent left at PG, bar maybe one, and IT still brings much more to the table.
Isaiah Thomas, PG (13-14) 72gms 34.7mpg 20.3ppg (.453 .349 .850) 2.9rpg 6.3apg 1.3spg 0.1bpg 3.0TO
Isaiah is flat out the most talented player left on the board, and is joining a veteran-laden team who have won in the past. I have faith that Vlade, Mitch and co can reign him in for the good of the team. The Hustlin' Huskie will at the very least bring a lot of energy to the team, and can spark a run at any given moment. In this draft, talent is talent, you can't just pass it up. IT is a welcome addition in the fifth round. He's the only legit starting level talent left at PG, bar maybe one, and IT still brings much more to the table.
I've supposedly already taken my Power Forward. But I really need a certified second scoring option in the post to take the pressure off Mitch. Grant of course can do in a pinch, as he did on the mid-90s team that made the playoffs. But that's a team that just sneaked into the eighth spot and I want to aim a little higher. For that, I need All-Star level-talent and the crop of big men that fit that description for the Kings is getting thin.
Suppose I'm not going to learn my lesson about drafting players in duplicate positions. Time to go BPA and fully commit to Vivek's "positionless basketball" formula.It's NBA 2.0
Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF (05-06) 72gms 27.2mpg 12.3ppg (.525 .227 .784) 5.0rpg 2.1apg 0.7spg 0.6bpg 1.5TO
Because Shareef had a disappointing tenure with the Kings, it's easy to forget just how much talent was there. Actually, I'm not entirely sure if that's even true. It seems to me, Shareef is really just a victim of circumstance.
Joined the team on a mega-deal during the twilight of our golden years, really expected to somehow be the second coming of Webber and unsurprisingly, that didn't happen. We didn't know it then, but the window had already slammed shut and the Miller/Peja/Bibby trio with Shareef and Bonzi added to the mix was not a title contender, no matter how much we tried to talk ourselves into it. For the first time in almost a decade, our expectations had finally surpassed the talent on the floor, the team was entering the slow, painful spiral and I think in someways we associate Shareef as one of the harbingers of doom.
After all, his signing coincided with the downturn. He already had the stigma of holding the record for most games played without having ever appeared in a playoff game. That garnered him the reputation of being a fill-the-stats guy who could never actually win anything. His stats took a nosedive as well, and he eventually was converted into a sixth man behind Kenny Thomas. Kenny FREAKING Thomas! All of this just proved the point in the minds of many - You see!? I told ya so! He's Soft! Finesse! Empty Stats! Injury Prone! Not a Leader! Not a Warrior! Not a Winner!
Bull.
In a season notable for the blockbuster Artest-Peja trade, the last time the Kings were in the playoffs and the end of the golden era, what no one seems to remember is that Shareef Abdur-Rahim played much of the season with his broken jaw wired shut.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2298943
Expected to be out two months, Shareef rushed back after missing ten games following a collision with Zach Randolph and losing eight pounds while on an all liquid diet to play with his still broken jaw surgically clenched together by wires. His only comment "If I can breathe, I can play."
Can we all just conceptualize that for a second? The man played professional basketball through the pain of a shattered jaw and both his speech and breathing severly compromised. And the speech part was no joke either. It doesn't really get across in the article, but people didn't want to talk to him. As much as his teammates said his return "energized" them, Sam Amick reported that Shareef was mostly left alone because it was hard to understand what he was saying through constantly clenched teeth and more than a little gross. He could have easily stayed at home until the wires were out, but he fought through social isolation, compromised breathing and general searing pain because the team needed him on the floor.
Yes, he eventually settled into a sixth man role, but that's only because it's where Adelman wanted him. Shareef never complained, showed veteran leadership and was a class act throughout, eventually joining the front office after he retired.
He may not have had the 20-10 season some weirdly expected of him, but he still put up solid numbers, especially as a starter, where he'll no doubt be for my team, he averaged 16.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg and 3.0 apt, shot .543 for field goal percentage, and almost .800 from the free throw line.
With a front court currently comprised of a young Gerald Wallace and Brian Grant, Shareef Abdur-Rahim provides the veteran leadership for the young guns and an All-Star partner to The Rock.
And he's a guy I know is going to put it all out of the floor. Just ask him - he'll tell you all about it. Even if his jaw is wired shut.
Suppose I'm not going to learn my lesson about drafting players in duplicate positions. Time to go BPA and fully commit to Vivek's "positionless basketball" formula.It's NBA 2.0
Shareef Abdur-Rahim PF/SF (05-06) 72gms 27.2mpg 12.3ppg (.525 .227 .784) 5.0rpg 2.1apg 0.7spg 0.6bpg 1.5TO
Because Shareef had a disappointing tenure with the Kings, it's easy to forget just how much talent was there. Actually, I'm not entirely sure if that's even true. It seems to me, Shareef is really just a victim of circumstance.
Joined the team on a mega-deal during the twilight of our golden years, really expected to somehow be the second coming of Webber and unsurprisingly, that didn't happen. We didn't know it then, but the window had already slammed shut and the Miller/Peja/Bibby trio with Shareef and Bonzi added to the mix was not a title contender, no matter how much we tried to talk ourselves into it. For the first time in almost a decade, our expectations had finally surpassed the talent on the floor, the team was entering the slow, painful spiral and I think in someways we associate Shareef as one of the harbingers of doom.
After all, his signing coincided with the downturn. He already had the stigma of holding the record for most games played without having ever appeared in a playoff game. That garnered him the reputation of being a fill-the-stats guy who could never actually win anything. His stats took a nosedive as well, and he eventually was converted into a sixth man behind Kenny Thomas. Kenny FREAKING Thomas! All of this just proved the point in the minds of many - You see!? I told ya so! He's Soft! Finesse! Empty Stats! Injury Prone! Not a Leader! Not a Warrior! Not a Winner!
Bull.
In a season notable for the blockbuster Artest-Peja trade, the last time the Kings were in the playoffs and the end of the golden era, what no one seems to remember is that Shareef Abdur-Rahim played much of the season with his broken jaw wired shut.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2298943
Expected to be out two months, Shareef rushed back after missing ten games following a collision with Zach Randolph and losing eight pounds while on an all liquid diet to play with his still broken jaw surgically clenched together by wires. His only comment "If I can breathe, I can play."
Can we all just conceptualize that for a second? The man played professional basketball through the pain of a shattered jaw and both his speech and breathing severly compromised. And the speech part was no joke either. It doesn't really get across in the article, but people didn't want to talk to him. As much as his teammates said his return "energized" them, Sam Amick reported that Shareef was mostly left alone because it was hard to understand what he was saying through constantly clenched teeth and more than a little gross. He could have easily stayed at home until the wires were out, but he fought through social isolation, compromised breathing and general searing pain because the team needed him on the floor.
Yes, he eventually settled into a sixth man role, but that's only because it's where Adelman wanted him. Shareef never complained, showed veteran leadership and was a class act throughout, eventually joining the front office after he retired.
He may not have had the 20-10 season some weirdly expected of him, but he still put up solid numbers, especially as a starter, where he'll no doubt be for my team, he averaged 16.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg and 3.0 apt, shot .543 for field goal percentage, and almost .800 from the free throw line.
With a front court currently comprised of a young Gerald Wallace and Brian Grant, Shareef Abdur-Rahim provides the veteran leadership for the young guns and an All-Star partner to The Rock.
And he's a guy I know is going to put it all out of the floor. Just ask him - he'll tell you all about it. Even if his jaw is wired shut.
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Still in a meeting but nobody looking at my screen so I have time to say my next pick is to add a reasonably competent(?) center. I guess that will have to be:
Olden Polynice
1995-96 81gms 30.1min 12.2pts (.527 .333 .601) 9.4rebs 0.7ast 0.6stl 0.8blk 1.6TO
Year and stats coming later.
Actually, not much to say here.... Polynice started all but one game on the 94-95 team that went to the playoffs, so despite his less than stellar reputation he was a capable center. He won't have to do too much on this team other than try not to be a negative. He can score a little when necessary, can rebound acceptably, not horrible on defense, just a solid pick at center especially when he didn't make it out of the second round last time. Easily the best center left.
Olden Polynice
1995-96 81gms 30.1min 12.2pts (.527 .333 .601) 9.4rebs 0.7ast 0.6stl 0.8blk 1.6TO
Year and stats coming later.
Actually, not much to say here.... Polynice started all but one game on the 94-95 team that went to the playoffs, so despite his less than stellar reputation he was a capable center. He won't have to do too much on this team other than try not to be a negative. He can score a little when necessary, can rebound acceptably, not horrible on defense, just a solid pick at center especially when he didn't make it out of the second round last time. Easily the best center left.
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yeah, crap. The other huge slider. I couldn't believe I was going to maybe get him in the 5th round, even if his pure shooting wasn't really expressed in three point shooting at that early stage before guys started really adopting it.
Not sure where this "I needed somebody to score" stuff comes from though. you've got nothing but.
Not sure where this "I needed somebody to score" stuff comes from though. you've got nothing but.
Well I've gone back and forth with this one a bit and maybe I'm overvaluing the role of a coach in the draft, maybe I'm not. I guess I really just don't want to end up with Jerry Reynolds.
Coach Paul Westphal
The combined successes of Sacramento Head Coaches not named Adelman are just ridiculously few and far between. So - I'm going with a Coach that had tasted NBA Finals before. A long time ago, but who's counting...
Anyways, a Westphal without a Cousins is one step in the right direction. In fact, a team with guys like Mitch, Peja and Wayman should be the perfect fit for this coach.
Hopefully
Coach Paul Westphal
The combined successes of Sacramento Head Coaches not named Adelman are just ridiculously few and far between. So - I'm going with a Coach that had tasted NBA Finals before. A long time ago, but who's counting...
Anyways, a Westphal without a Cousins is one step in the right direction. In fact, a team with guys like Mitch, Peja and Wayman should be the perfect fit for this coach.
Hopefully
With my 5th selection, I choose:
Antoine Carr ('90-91) AKA The Big Dog
6'9" 225# Forward/Center
77gms 32.8min 20.1pts (.511 .000 .758) 5.5reb 2.5ast 0.6stl 1.3blk 2.2TO
Bulk, shooting, more assists than turnovers, and another big body to play with either Webber or Hawes up front. If he can sub for the Mailman, he can sub for C-Webb. Welcome aboard dog
Antoine Carr ('90-91) AKA The Big Dog
6'9" 225# Forward/Center
77gms 32.8min 20.1pts (.511 .000 .758) 5.5reb 2.5ast 0.6stl 1.3blk 2.2TO
Bulk, shooting, more assists than turnovers, and another big body to play with either Webber or Hawes up front. If he can sub for the Mailman, he can sub for C-Webb. Welcome aboard dog