TDOS All Time Kings Fantasy Draft II (Round 10)
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Also, I stole my wife's phone to post this, so Brick I can make this pick:
Year and write up coming. Short version: efficient scorer as my no. 2 to Webber.
Peja Stojakovic was pretty good with Chris Webber (and Vlade Divac and Brad Miller) passing him open at the three point line or the hoop. Obviously I wasn't going to get Peja, but Kevin Martin has the similar offensive skills to benefit greatly from Webber in his prime.
A super efficient scorer even as a full time starter, Martin will work brilliantly as a #2/#3 offensive threat. There just aren't many of those guys on the Sacramento Kings rosters through the years. I chose 2006-07 because he played 80 games that year and had stats that were very similar to his best per game year in 07-08. Martin may have struggles with injuries during his time in Sac, but not during the 2006-2007 season.
Kevin Martin
2006-2007 80gms 35.2min 20.2pts (.473 .381 .844) 4.3rebs 2.2ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.7TO
Year and write up coming. Short version: efficient scorer as my no. 2 to Webber.
Peja Stojakovic was pretty good with Chris Webber (and Vlade Divac and Brad Miller) passing him open at the three point line or the hoop. Obviously I wasn't going to get Peja, but Kevin Martin has the similar offensive skills to benefit greatly from Webber in his prime.
A super efficient scorer even as a full time starter, Martin will work brilliantly as a #2/#3 offensive threat. There just aren't many of those guys on the Sacramento Kings rosters through the years. I chose 2006-07 because he played 80 games that year and had stats that were very similar to his best per game year in 07-08. Martin may have struggles with injuries during his time in Sac, but not during the 2006-2007 season.
Kevin Martin
2006-2007 80gms 35.2min 20.2pts (.473 .381 .844) 4.3rebs 2.2ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.7TO
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Well, here I am moving forward, building my team with a very large elephant in the room constantly trumpeting its reminder in my ear that my two best players (one of whom I've yet to officially draft, but by the very rules I myself helped craft, now must be drafted by me. P.S. this is what's known as being hoisted by one's own petard) play the same position. Clearly, this is untenible.
In the meantime, just gotta collect talent that fits my philosophy in an area that, with CWebb, Boogie and Vlade off the board, has been a glaring weak point of this franchise: talented big men.
Fortunately, we do have a guy in the annuals of our history I'd say is just a notch or two below the three elites just mentioned.
Before his hard-nosed intensity would make him a fan-favorite of the Blazers and Portland's adopted hometown hero. Before he would become famous around the league for staring down Karl Malone in a pivotal playoff series. Before his dedication to the philosphy of Rasta earned him some impressive dreadlocks and a Bob Marley tattoo.
Before all that, he was just a young, promising blue-collar power forward nicknamed "The General"
Brian Grant (95-96 season): 78gms 30.7min 14.4pts (.513 .235 .732) 7.0rebs 1.6ast 0.5stl 1.3blk 2.4TO
I'm going with Grant's sophomore campagin because, although it wasn't filled with the accolades of his rookie year and his turnover rate is worringly up, it does represent the one time between our franchise's first season in Sacramento and the dawn of the golden era that we actually, finally, triumphantly, sneaked into the playoffs and Grant was a major part of that - playing the Robin role to The Rock's Batman. Or perhaps more appropriate to scale: the Speedy to The Rock's Green Arrow.
During his days in Sacramento, Grant was still learning his role in the league, that would eventually lead him to be a versital, defensive specialist good for a double-double a night, able to play three positions as either a starter or reserve and a low-level intimidating enforcer. But he was certainly effective nontheless and his absence was felt when he opted out and bolted for Portland.
As things stand now, I'm crafting a team of ultimate role-players with a bit of a scrappy edge. Let's hope for my sake I can team them with the right guy they're ment to complement.
By the way, while researching Grant a bit, came across this rather detailed expose by his alma mater Xavier covering everything from his time in the league and his family life to his discovery of Rasta and fight against Parkinson's. Worth a look if you have a moment.
http://xtra.xavier.edu/xavier-magazine/brian-grant-a-new-life/
In the meantime, just gotta collect talent that fits my philosophy in an area that, with CWebb, Boogie and Vlade off the board, has been a glaring weak point of this franchise: talented big men.
Fortunately, we do have a guy in the annuals of our history I'd say is just a notch or two below the three elites just mentioned.
Before his hard-nosed intensity would make him a fan-favorite of the Blazers and Portland's adopted hometown hero. Before he would become famous around the league for staring down Karl Malone in a pivotal playoff series. Before his dedication to the philosphy of Rasta earned him some impressive dreadlocks and a Bob Marley tattoo.
Before all that, he was just a young, promising blue-collar power forward nicknamed "The General"
Brian Grant (95-96 season): 78gms 30.7min 14.4pts (.513 .235 .732) 7.0rebs 1.6ast 0.5stl 1.3blk 2.4TO
I'm going with Grant's sophomore campagin because, although it wasn't filled with the accolades of his rookie year and his turnover rate is worringly up, it does represent the one time between our franchise's first season in Sacramento and the dawn of the golden era that we actually, finally, triumphantly, sneaked into the playoffs and Grant was a major part of that - playing the Robin role to The Rock's Batman. Or perhaps more appropriate to scale: the Speedy to The Rock's Green Arrow.
During his days in Sacramento, Grant was still learning his role in the league, that would eventually lead him to be a versital, defensive specialist good for a double-double a night, able to play three positions as either a starter or reserve and a low-level intimidating enforcer. But he was certainly effective nontheless and his absence was felt when he opted out and bolted for Portland.
As things stand now, I'm crafting a team of ultimate role-players with a bit of a scrappy edge. Let's hope for my sake I can team them with the right guy they're ment to complement.
By the way, while researching Grant a bit, came across this rather detailed expose by his alma mater Xavier covering everything from his time in the league and his family life to his discovery of Rasta and fight against Parkinson's. Worth a look if you have a moment.
http://xtra.xavier.edu/xavier-magazine/brian-grant-a-new-life/
Argh, it was really difficult trying to decide what two players to take next. There's still some very solid role players left, but I feel good about my decision.
My next pick is:
Bonzi Wells (05-06 season): 52gms 32.4min 13.6pts (.463 .222 .679) 7.7rebs 2.8ast 1.8stl 0.5blk 2.4TO
Given that Mitch will eventually be my superstar, I think Bonzi is a natural fit next to him. They can both switch between SG/SF depending on the match-up, with Bonzi's physical style of play providing some needed toughness. I love his rebounding, and he pretty much dominated the Spurs that year in the POs. I loved Bonzi when he was here, he and Ron were just the type of physical, defensive backcourt that I like. He was also a very capable passer - a trait that will be a defining characteristic when my team is complete.
My next pick is:
Bonzi Wells (05-06 season): 52gms 32.4min 13.6pts (.463 .222 .679) 7.7rebs 2.8ast 1.8stl 0.5blk 2.4TO
Given that Mitch will eventually be my superstar, I think Bonzi is a natural fit next to him. They can both switch between SG/SF depending on the match-up, with Bonzi's physical style of play providing some needed toughness. I love his rebounding, and he pretty much dominated the Spurs that year in the POs. I loved Bonzi when he was here, he and Ron were just the type of physical, defensive backcourt that I like. He was also a very capable passer - a trait that will be a defining characteristic when my team is complete.
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Next up, I have a hole at PF. I need a legit inside threat to go along with Mitch's outside game. I'm taking:
Otis Thorpe (87-88 season): 82gms 37.5min 20.8pts (.507 .000 .755) 10.2rebs 3.2ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 2.8TO
Otis gives me a legitimate offensive big man to throw the ball to in the post. He was skilled and a strong rebounder, as shown by his 20/10/3 statline. Under-rated passer at 3 dimes per game, he could move the ball and find the open man. He will serve as a poor man's C-Webb next to Vlade, so it's a proven combination. Probably the most productive player left on the board at this point, and fills a need.
Otis Thorpe (87-88 season): 82gms 37.5min 20.8pts (.507 .000 .755) 10.2rebs 3.2ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 2.8TO
Otis gives me a legitimate offensive big man to throw the ball to in the post. He was skilled and a strong rebounder, as shown by his 20/10/3 statline. Under-rated passer at 3 dimes per game, he could move the ball and find the open man. He will serve as a poor man's C-Webb next to Vlade, so it's a proven combination. Probably the most productive player left on the board at this point, and fills a need.
Next up, I have a hole at PF. I need a legit inside threat to go along with Mitch's outside game. I'm taking:
Otis Thorpe (87-88 season): 82gms 37.5min 20.8pts (.507 .000 .755) 10.2rebs 3.2ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 2.8TO
Otis gives me a legitimate offensive big man to throw the ball to in the post. He was skilled and a strong rebounder, as shown by his 20/10/3 statline. Under-rated passer at 3 dimes per game, he could move the ball and find the open man. He will serve as a poor man's C-Webb next to Vlade, so it's a proven combination. Probably the most productive player left on the board at this point, and fills a need.
Otis Thorpe (87-88 season): 82gms 37.5min 20.8pts (.507 .000 .755) 10.2rebs 3.2ast 0.8stl 0.7blk 2.8TO
Otis gives me a legitimate offensive big man to throw the ball to in the post. He was skilled and a strong rebounder, as shown by his 20/10/3 statline. Under-rated passer at 3 dimes per game, he could move the ball and find the open man. He will serve as a poor man's C-Webb next to Vlade, so it's a proven combination. Probably the most productive player left on the board at this point, and fills a need.
As should be clear by now, I'm neither a stats guy nor a basketball strategiest - I'm just a fan. I picked my personal favorite player even though he's the same position as my ineveitable choice for franchise superstar. I passed on a 20-10 PF for a 14-7 guy at the same position because I labled the latter an intense, defensively-inclined, blue-collar fan favorite. I play from the heart, not the head
And you know what, no sense in swaying from that strategy now. There's a dearth of shot-blockers in Kings history and I'm skipping my chance to add one of the few just so I can attempt to recapture the lightning-intensity of DC and Bobby J in the backcourt together.
Bobby Jackson (02-03 season): 59gms 28.4min 15.2pts (.464 .379 .846) 3.7rebs 3.1ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.8TO
While his season was ironically cut due to a broken hand, this is the same season that saw Jackson thrust into the starting role to start when Bibby was hurt before the first tip-off. And he did an admirable job averaging 20.2 ppg and helping the team to a 20-6 record.
Of course, Jackson's ideal role is as the 6th man sparkplug off the bench - and this is the year he became the first King and only the second point guard to win the 6th Man of the Year award.
Regardless of where he began the game though, whether on the court or in his warm-ups, when Jackson hit the hardwood he set it on fire with his passion knowing only two modes: turbo and off.
He's not much of a facilitator for a point guard, typically looking to score first, but the offense didn't turn into a series of one-on-one iso plays either when he was at the point. And with DC on board, I have another option to take a bit of the play-caller role letting Jackson do what he does best.
Besides, I don't need to "imagine" how well this pairing would work. I've already seen it, in person. I can tell you firsthand, it worked.
Worked at least in the opinion of this know-nothing fanatic
And you know what, no sense in swaying from that strategy now. There's a dearth of shot-blockers in Kings history and I'm skipping my chance to add one of the few just so I can attempt to recapture the lightning-intensity of DC and Bobby J in the backcourt together.
Bobby Jackson (02-03 season): 59gms 28.4min 15.2pts (.464 .379 .846) 3.7rebs 3.1ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.8TO
While his season was ironically cut due to a broken hand, this is the same season that saw Jackson thrust into the starting role to start when Bibby was hurt before the first tip-off. And he did an admirable job averaging 20.2 ppg and helping the team to a 20-6 record.
Of course, Jackson's ideal role is as the 6th man sparkplug off the bench - and this is the year he became the first King and only the second point guard to win the 6th Man of the Year award.
Regardless of where he began the game though, whether on the court or in his warm-ups, when Jackson hit the hardwood he set it on fire with his passion knowing only two modes: turbo and off.
He's not much of a facilitator for a point guard, typically looking to score first, but the offense didn't turn into a series of one-on-one iso plays either when he was at the point. And with DC on board, I have another option to take a bit of the play-caller role letting Jackson do what he does best.
Besides, I don't need to "imagine" how well this pairing would work. I've already seen it, in person. I can tell you firsthand, it worked.
Worked at least in the opinion of this know-nothing fanatic
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Thanks Bricklayer.
I have returned to my own Internet connection device but will have to add further details tomorrow. Short version: Simmons was very good before injuries killed his career, and had too much value to pass up. Between CWebb, LTrain and KMart, I've got a pretty potent trio that I think can work reasonably well together.
Ok, so with Chris Webber and Kevin Martin filling it up I don't need much more offense, but it's hard to pass up the L-Train. He was the college player of the year before being drafted by the Kings, so he was a fairly talented dude.
His second season was arguably his best all around year. Despite the fact that he eventually had to retire early due to knee issues, he played 79 games in 1991-92, scoring 17 ppg and grabbing 8 rpg from the small forward position. His 4.3 apg, 1.7spg and 1.7bpg round out the impressive stat line. And if you like advanced stats, only three non-superstars eligible for this draft (each drafted in first 6 non-superstars) had seasons with more defensive win shares than Simmons in 91-92 (3.5).
Lionel Simmons
1991-1992 79gms 37.1min 17.1pts (.454 .200 .770) 8.1rebs 4.3ast 1.7stl 1.7blk 2.8TO
I have returned to my own Internet connection device but will have to add further details tomorrow. Short version: Simmons was very good before injuries killed his career, and had too much value to pass up. Between CWebb, LTrain and KMart, I've got a pretty potent trio that I think can work reasonably well together.
Ok, so with Chris Webber and Kevin Martin filling it up I don't need much more offense, but it's hard to pass up the L-Train. He was the college player of the year before being drafted by the Kings, so he was a fairly talented dude.
His second season was arguably his best all around year. Despite the fact that he eventually had to retire early due to knee issues, he played 79 games in 1991-92, scoring 17 ppg and grabbing 8 rpg from the small forward position. His 4.3 apg, 1.7spg and 1.7bpg round out the impressive stat line. And if you like advanced stats, only three non-superstars eligible for this draft (each drafted in first 6 non-superstars) had seasons with more defensive win shares than Simmons in 91-92 (3.5).
Lionel Simmons
1991-1992 79gms 37.1min 17.1pts (.454 .200 .770) 8.1rebs 4.3ast 1.7stl 1.7blk 2.8TO
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Wayman Tisdale
1989-1990
79gms 37.1min 22.3pts (.525 .000 .783) 7.5reb 1.4ast 0.6stl 0.6blk 1.9TO
I had 3 or 4 different directions I could've gone with this pick and ultimately decided on Tisdale and his post-scoring. The other options should be around when I pick again. A legit offensive weapon to pair with the defensive Dalembert. Strong in the post and able to get his points. Throw in 8 rebs a game and I'll take it. As great a character guy you could get on your team and he will certainly be great for team chemistry and leadership presence. Also, plays great with Rock which is very important.
1989-1990
79gms 37.1min 22.3pts (.525 .000 .783) 7.5reb 1.4ast 0.6stl 0.6blk 1.9TO
I had 3 or 4 different directions I could've gone with this pick and ultimately decided on Tisdale and his post-scoring. The other options should be around when I pick again. A legit offensive weapon to pair with the defensive Dalembert. Strong in the post and able to get his points. Throw in 8 rebs a game and I'll take it. As great a character guy you could get on your team and he will certainly be great for team chemistry and leadership presence. Also, plays great with Rock which is very important.
I edited previous posts to add season choices and writeups for my last two picks. I will repeat the info here:
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Peja Stojakovic was pretty good with Chris Webber (and Vlade Divac and Brad Miller) passing him open at the three point line or the hoop. Obviously I wasn't going to get Peja, but Kevin Martin has the similar offensive skills to benefit greatly from Webber in his prime.
A super efficient scorer even as a full time starter, Martin will work brilliantly as a #2/#3 offensive threat. There just aren't many of those guys on the Sacramento Kings rosters through the years. I chose 2006-07 because he played 80 games that year and had stats that were very similar to his best per game year in 07-08. Martin may have struggled with injuries during his time in Sac, but not during the 2006-2007 season.
Kevin Martin
2006-2007 80gms 35.2min 20.2pts (.473 .381 .844) 4.3rebs 2.2ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.7TO
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Ok, so with Chris Webber and Kevin Martin filling it up I don't need much more offense, but it's hard to pass up the L-Train. He was the college player of the year before being drafted by the Kings, so he was a fairly talented dude.
His second season was arguably his best all around year. Despite the fact that he eventually had to retire early due to knee issues, he played 79 games in 1991-92, scoring 17 ppg and grabbing 8 rpg from the small forward position. His 4.3 apg, 1.7spg and 1.7bpg round out the impressive stat line. And if you like advanced stats, only three non-superstars eligible for this draft (each drafted in first 6 non-superstars) had seasons with more defensive win shares than Simmons in 91-92 (3.5).
Lionel Simmons
1991-1992 79gms 37.1min 17.1pts (.454 .200 .770) 8.1rebs 4.3ast 1.7stl 1.7blk 2.8TO
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Peja Stojakovic was pretty good with Chris Webber (and Vlade Divac and Brad Miller) passing him open at the three point line or the hoop. Obviously I wasn't going to get Peja, but Kevin Martin has the similar offensive skills to benefit greatly from Webber in his prime.
A super efficient scorer even as a full time starter, Martin will work brilliantly as a #2/#3 offensive threat. There just aren't many of those guys on the Sacramento Kings rosters through the years. I chose 2006-07 because he played 80 games that year and had stats that were very similar to his best per game year in 07-08. Martin may have struggled with injuries during his time in Sac, but not during the 2006-2007 season.
Kevin Martin
2006-2007 80gms 35.2min 20.2pts (.473 .381 .844) 4.3rebs 2.2ast 1.2stl 0.1blk 1.7TO
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Ok, so with Chris Webber and Kevin Martin filling it up I don't need much more offense, but it's hard to pass up the L-Train. He was the college player of the year before being drafted by the Kings, so he was a fairly talented dude.
His second season was arguably his best all around year. Despite the fact that he eventually had to retire early due to knee issues, he played 79 games in 1991-92, scoring 17 ppg and grabbing 8 rpg from the small forward position. His 4.3 apg, 1.7spg and 1.7bpg round out the impressive stat line. And if you like advanced stats, only three non-superstars eligible for this draft (each drafted in first 6 non-superstars) had seasons with more defensive win shares than Simmons in 91-92 (3.5).
Lionel Simmons
1991-1992 79gms 37.1min 17.1pts (.454 .200 .770) 8.1rebs 4.3ast 1.7stl 1.7blk 2.8TO
With my 3rd selection, I choose:
Danny Ainge 1989-1990
6'4" 175# - Guard
75gms 36.4min 17.9pts (.438 .374 .831) 4.3reb 6.0ast 1.5stl 0.2blk 2.5TO
Danny was coming off his sole All-Star season when he was traded, mid season, to the Sacramento Kings from the multiple champion Boston Celtics. The following season he played 75 games in misery, as he was writhe to play on a winner. That summer he got his wish, departing for the soon to be NBA Finals bound Portland Trail Blazers. Danny Ainge was a tenacious defender, amassing 113 steals in 75 games, an excellent outside shooter who could fill in at either guard spot at 6'4". His length and ability to pressure opposing guards allowed him to make his presence felt on both sides of the court. He'll add more ball handling, court vision, length, outside shooting, leadership, and winning mentality to my team. Welcome!
Danny Ainge 1989-1990
6'4" 175# - Guard
75gms 36.4min 17.9pts (.438 .374 .831) 4.3reb 6.0ast 1.5stl 0.2blk 2.5TO
Danny was coming off his sole All-Star season when he was traded, mid season, to the Sacramento Kings from the multiple champion Boston Celtics. The following season he played 75 games in misery, as he was writhe to play on a winner. That summer he got his wish, departing for the soon to be NBA Finals bound Portland Trail Blazers. Danny Ainge was a tenacious defender, amassing 113 steals in 75 games, an excellent outside shooter who could fill in at either guard spot at 6'4". His length and ability to pressure opposing guards allowed him to make his presence felt on both sides of the court. He'll add more ball handling, court vision, length, outside shooting, leadership, and winning mentality to my team. Welcome!
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Okay, well Jespher totally abandoning his frontcourt and being willing to accept starting Kenny Thomas and Dwayne Schintzius complicated the numbers here, but I have spent the last half hour looking at this, and going away, and looking at this again...and finally, I have to do it:
PF - Keon Clark (2002-03): 80gms 22.3min 6.7pts (.501 .000 .656) 5.6reb 1.0ast 0.5stl 1.9blk 1.2TO
So I pass on a number of more talented pieces for the ultimate fit piece to complete my frontcourt. We always say that what we need next to Cousins is an Ibaka/Keon Clark type...except sober. Well, can't help on the sober, but with all the other DeMarcus teams coming up in a row behind this pick, there was no way he was going to be there in 10 picks, so...there we go. The team nobody dare drive against, and nobody dare try to coach. Defense wins championships...I hope.
PF - Keon Clark (2002-03): 80gms 22.3min 6.7pts (.501 .000 .656) 5.6reb 1.0ast 0.5stl 1.9blk 1.2TO
So I pass on a number of more talented pieces for the ultimate fit piece to complete my frontcourt. We always say that what we need next to Cousins is an Ibaka/Keon Clark type...except sober. Well, can't help on the sober, but with all the other DeMarcus teams coming up in a row behind this pick, there was no way he was going to be there in 10 picks, so...there we go. The team nobody dare drive against, and nobody dare try to coach. Defense wins championships...I hope.
I've got scoring in my backcourt and a coach, but I don't have anybody to rebound, and get in there and do the dirty work. However, I've got a guy in mind:
C - Scot Pollard (2001-02): 80gms 23.5min 6.4pts (.550 .000 .693) 7.1reb 0.7ast 0.9stl 1.0blk 0.9TO
Scot was more than just a pretty face - he was a banger and enforcer down low, and while he wasn't the shotblocker that Keon was, he was a respectable rim protector and a very good rebounder. I'll be asking Scot to play a bit more than the 23.5 minutes he gave us in '01-'02, but I'm sure he's up to the task.
C - Scot Pollard (2001-02): 80gms 23.5min 6.4pts (.550 .000 .693) 7.1reb 0.7ast 0.9stl 1.0blk 0.9TO
Scot was more than just a pretty face - he was a banger and enforcer down low, and while he wasn't the shotblocker that Keon was, he was a respectable rim protector and a very good rebounder. I'll be asking Scot to play a bit more than the 23.5 minutes he gave us in '01-'02, but I'm sure he's up to the task.
More size please:
Hedo Turkoglu
2001-2002: 80gms 24.6min 10.1pts (.422 .368 .726) 4.5rebs 2.0ast 0.7stl 0.4blk 1.0TO
Turkoglu gives me range, rebounding (at least for the position) and a good dose of basketball IQ, which is definitely going to help since these guys are probably going to get a lousy coach. In 2002 he was still a pretty mobile player and with his length he definitely won't be a minus on defense.
Hedo Turkoglu
2001-2002: 80gms 24.6min 10.1pts (.422 .368 .726) 4.5rebs 2.0ast 0.7stl 0.4blk 1.0TO
Turkoglu gives me range, rebounding (at least for the position) and a good dose of basketball IQ, which is definitely going to help since these guys are probably going to get a lousy coach. In 2002 he was still a pretty mobile player and with his length he definitely won't be a minus on defense.
Yep, exactly what I meant. I think that allowing people to deal multiple roleplayers for a star or a decent coach would spice things up and make the draft more entertaining. In this kind of setting there are just too few incentives to trade away the same number of players that you receive: you choose the players and they cannot perform below your expectations.
