Take this Chad Ford report...

Bricklayer

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as gospel (and, um, yeah, I'm aware of the dangers there), and find us a deal you like:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...nets-Wolves-Suns-Open-To-Trading-Lottery-Pick

summarized:

Celtics (#6), Lakers (#7), Kings (#8), Hornets (#9), Wolves (#13), Suns (#14)

are all in the market to sell off their picks for veteran help.

Meanwhile the Bucks, Hawks, Blazers, Mavericks and Raptors are all in the market for one of those picks.


If that is your universe, if those 5 teams were the teams you were having to deal with, and if you had competition from all the teams picking around your own pick, what realistic deal for our pick could you come up with out of there that would be a winner for us?
 
Horford or Sanders is all I can see off the top of my head. But for Sanders they would have to take on our bad contracts too and possibly kick back a player or additional pick.
 
Somewhat puzzling why the Blazers would be in the market to trade established talent for a pick. Maybe they're just trying to buy a late first, but Ford bunches them in with this group.
 
Horford, Sanders (like what was said above) and also Robin Lopez maybe? Is he a FA?
i dont know if we would go for lopez even if we needed him. it would show we were incompetent if we traded him away for a couple second rounders then trade the #8 pick for him a year later, or if we went after him in free agency when we already had him. but i do agree with the type of players you are going for.
 
i dont know if we would go for lopez even if we needed him. it would show we were incompetent if we traded him away for a couple second rounders then trade the #8 pick for him a year later, or if we went after him in free agency when we already had him. but i do agree with the type of players you are going for.

the GM needs to be ***** slapped if he were to do that.
 
as gospel (and, um, yeah, I'm aware of the dangers there), and find us a deal you like:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...nets-Wolves-Suns-Open-To-Trading-Lottery-Pick

summarized:

Celtics (#6), Lakers (#7), Kings (#8), Hornets (#9), Wolves (#13), Suns (#14)

are all in the market to sell off their picks for veteran help.

Meanwhile the Bucks, Hawks, Blazers, Mavericks and Raptors are all in the market for one of those picks.


If that is your universe, if those 5 teams were the teams you were having to deal with, and if you had competition from all the teams picking around your own pick, what realistic deal for our pick could you come up with out of there that would be a winner for us?

i'm not clever enough with the machinations of nba trades to come up with any useful hypotheticals, but it seems to me that every team in that list above outside of the lakers owns a more favorable bargaining position than the kings when it comes to potential trade packages. and even the lakers are at the draft spot many consider to be the last stop on the board before things get dicey (with embiid, wiggins, parker, exum, randle, smart, and vonleh most often predicted to be drafted in the top-7)...

the point is, apart from the 8th pick, the kings don't have much to dangle in pursuit of a trade for immediate help. there's ben mclemore, of course, but just as with a draft pick, when you trade for a player like mclemore, you're trading for hopes-and-dreams, rather than for a tangible asset, because you don't know what mclemore will become, just as you wouldn't know what the 8th pick (and the player associated) would become. sometimes those hopes-and-dreams have considerable value, like trading for a top-3 or even a top-5 pick, or, say, trading for a young player like michael carter-williams. but a package that features an 8th pick that could turn into an athletic question mark in aaron gordon and an athletic young shooter in ben mclemore who couldn't shoot during his rookie campaign? i'm not sure that such a package, even with any other combination of kings-under-contract-and-not-named-demarcus-cousins tacked on, is going to yield anything exciting in return...

of course, the news that the kings are willing to dive head first into the kevin love sweepstakes has been exciting to consider--inconceivable though it may be--but only because of the caveat that PDA is willing to make a trade without assurances that love would re-sign. that seemed to add the tiniest sliver of possibility to the rumors despite the fact that just about any kings' offer to minnesota would leave much to be desired. however, in most other non-kevin love scenarios, the kings wouldn't have the perceived advantage of being willing to trade for an impact player on the final year of his contract. other teams will simply be able to make better offers for just about any player the kings may be attempting to pursue via trade...

none of this is to say that the kings won't be able to swing a deal, but i do think that most of the other lottery teams who are willing to trade out of the draft are capable of putting together more attractive packages than the kings, leaving the kings to scrap for whatever they can get. it strikes me as more likely that the kings will be in a position to trade down in the draft to pick a guy they can develop slowly, while potentially bringing back a serviceable veteran in the process. i just have a hard time seeing them making a splash by trading the 8th pick, short of another risky buy-low scenario a la rudy gay. larry sanders fits that description, and he's been brought up most often around these parts. that may be the best the kings can do...
 
i'm not clever enough with the machinations of nba trades to come up with any useful hypotheticals, but it seems to me that every team in that list above outside of the lakers owns a more favorable bargaining position than the kings when it comes to potential trade packages. and even the lakers are at the draft spot many consider to be the last stop on the board before things get dicey (with embiid, wiggins, parker, exum, randle, smart, and vonleh most often predicted to be drafted in the top-7)...

the point is, apart from the 8th pick, the kings don't have much to dangle in pursuit of a trade for immediate help. there's ben mclemore, of course, but just as with a draft pick, when you trade for a player like mclemore, you're trading for hopes-and-dreams, rather than for a tangible asset, because you don't know what mclemore will become, just as you wouldn't know what the 8th pick (and the player associated) would become. sometimes those hopes-and-dreams have considerable value, like trading for a top-3 or even a top-5 pick, or, say, trading for a young player like michael carter-williams. but a package that features an 8th pick that could turn into an athletic question mark in aaron gordon and an athletic young shooter in ben mclemore who couldn't shoot during his rookie campaign? i'm not sure that such a package, even with any other combination of kings-under-contract-and-not-named-demarcus-cousins tacked on, is going to yield anything exciting in return...

of course, the news that the kings are willing to dive head first into the kevin love sweepstakes has been exciting to consider--inconceivable though it may be--but only because of the caveat that PDA is willing to make a trade without assurances that love would re-sign. that seemed to add the tiniest sliver of possibility to the rumors despite the fact that just about any kings' offer to minnesota would leave much to be desired. however, in most other non-kevin love scenarios, the kings wouldn't have the perceived advantage of being willing to trade for an impact player on the final year of his contract. other teams will simply be able to make better offers for just about any player the kings may be attempting to pursue via trade...

none of this is to say that the kings won't be able to swing a deal, but i do think that most of the other lottery teams who are willing to trade out of the draft are capable of putting together more attractive packages than the kings, leaving the kings to scrap for whatever they can get. it strikes me as more likely that the kings will be in a position to trade down in the draft to pick a guy they can develop slowly, while potentially bringing back a serviceable veteran in the process. i just have a hard time seeing them making a splash by trading the 8th pick, short of another risky buy-low scenario a la rudy gay. larry sanders fits that description, and he's been brought up most often around these parts. that may be the best the kings can do...

I think to truly judge the Kings chances of making a trade with the 8th pick, you have to take the other teams in consideration one at a time. Each of them has different needs. For instance, Utah sitting in the 5th spot is in need of a PG. But at the 5th spot, the best talent available will be in the post, with both Randle and Vonleh sitting there. Do they really want to draft a potential starter at the PF position when they already have Favors aboard? Or would they be willing to move down to the 8th spot where the have a chance to pick Smart, and if not Smart, then Payton or Ennis. We could throw in JT as a backup at PF for them, or Landry if they perfer. They get a backup at PF and center, and still get a young PG to develop. We get to choose between Randle and Vonleh. Vonleh would be my choice!
 
I think to truly judge the Kings chances of making a trade with the 8th pick, you have to take the other teams in consideration one at a time. Each of them has different needs. For instance, Utah sitting in the 5th spot is in need of a PG. But at the 5th spot, the best talent available will be in the post, with both Randle and Vonleh sitting there. Do they really want to draft a potential starter at the PF position when they already have Favors aboard? Or would they be willing to move down to the 8th spot where the have a chance to pick Smart, and if not Smart, then Payton or Ennis. We could throw in JT as a backup at PF for them, or Landry if they perfer. They get a backup at PF and center, and still get a young PG to develop. We get to choose between Randle and Vonleh. Vonleh would be my choice!

I'm not sure adding Landry or Thompson enhances the value of the 8th pick.
 
I think to truly judge the Kings chances of making a trade with the 8th pick, you have to take the other teams in consideration one at a time. Each of them has different needs. For instance, Utah sitting in the 5th spot is in need of a PG. But at the 5th spot, the best talent available will be in the post, with both Randle and Vonleh sitting there. Do they really want to draft a potential starter at the PF position when they already have Favors aboard? Or would they be willing to move down to the 8th spot where the have a chance to pick Smart, and if not Smart, then Payton or Ennis. We could throw in JT as a backup at PF for them, or Landry if they perfer. They get a backup at PF and center, and still get a young PG to develop. We get to choose between Randle and Vonleh. Vonleh would be my choice!

What about Trey Burke?

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As to the original question, I don't see many realistic deals I'd be happy about. Toronto and Dallas don't have anything I'd want (Lowry isn't tradeable). Portland isn't giving up anyone good while they're trying to build a contender. That leaves Atlanta (Millsap/Horford/Korver) and Milwaukee (Sanders/Mayo/Knight) as the only real options.

Atlanta:
Horford probably costs us McLemore and #8, not worth it I think.
Millsap has one year left, not worth #8 on his own.
Korver is a guy who would really help us on one end, but our defense is so bad already I can't bring myself to endorse that idea.

Milwaukee:
Knight could be worth the #8 pick. There are still questions about his playmaking abilities and his three point percentage went down last year though. Elfrid Payton is bigger and a better defender.
Sanders is a great fit for us but I'd hoped with his contract situation that expiring contracts would be enough to snare him.
Mayo is a good buy low candidate who the Bucks would happily give away at this point. With 2 years left on his deal at 8 million per though, he's a significant risk. Could be a good scoring guard off the bench or a backup policy for McLemore's continued development. Not worth #8, but could be a part of a package deal.

My ideal scenario would be the one I proposed in the Personnel Moves forum a little while ago -- Rudy opting in and getting flipped to Milwaukee for Sanders and Mayo. We get our defensive big, depth at SG, and don't have to worry about Gay leaving for nothing. Milwaukee gets a combination of huge salary cap relief after this season (41 million total) and the potential to get a lot better right away for the new owners with Rudy Gay and the #2 pick (Embiid? Exum?) coming their way. Then we use the #8 pick on a PG and the only remaining problem we have is SF depth.
 
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I think to truly judge the Kings chances of making a trade with the 8th pick, you have to take the other teams in consideration one at a time. Each of them has different needs. For instance, Utah sitting in the 5th spot is in need of a PG. But at the 5th spot, the best talent available will be in the post, with both Randle and Vonleh sitting there. Do they really want to draft a potential starter at the PF position when they already have Favors aboard? Or would they be willing to move down to the 8th spot where the have a chance to pick Smart, and if not Smart, then Payton or Ennis. We could throw in JT as a backup at PF for them, or Landry if they perfer. They get a backup at PF and center, and still get a young PG to develop. We get to choose between Randle and Vonleh. Vonleh would be my choice!

Depends whether they like Smart. If they do, they're unlikely to trade down because it's highly unlikely that Smart will last to 8. More chance that Randle/Vonleh last to 8 than Smart, in my opinion. I'm not sure PG is their biggest need anyway with Burke there, but maybe.

I mentioned a [highly unlikely] scenario where Embiid slips to 5. If that was the case, you obviously do everything to trade up with them. Hard to imagine they wouldn't just take him themselves, though.
 
Considering that we could have had Lopez for next to nothing in the Evans deal, why then would we give up the 8th pick in the draft of him?

It wouldn't be straight up for the 8th. It would include other picks and players too. Hopefully we could shed some salary at the same time.

I would be interested if that were possible. Not straight up for the 8th pick. Heck, I wouldn't even trade Sanders for the 8th pick. Probably not even Horford. OK probably Horford lol
 
Also in that chat Ford took a question regarding Orlando using Afflalo and #12 to move up. Surprisingly, Ford didn't think that made sense for a team like Sacramento .. well, OK.

Anyhow. Terry for Afflalo works in the trade machine straight up. Add in #12 and #8, pray Payton is there at 12 and viola.

Should be noted that Williams for Afflalo works, as does Thompson, Landry, etc. We have plenty of options there. If Orlando would take Landry, that would be a steal, but Williams or Terry seems more likely.
 
What about Trey Burke?

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As to the original question, I don't see many realistic deals I'd be happy about. Toronto and Dallas don't have anything I'd want (Lowry isn't tradeable). Portland isn't giving up anyone good while they're trying to build a contender. That leaves Atlanta (Millsap/Horford/Korver) and Milwaukee (Sanders/Mayo/Knight) as the only real options.

Atlanta:
Horford probably costs us McLemore and #8, not worth it I think.
Millsap has one year left, not worth #8 on his own.
Korver is a guy who would really help us on one end, but our defense is so bad already I can't bring myself to endorse that idea.

Milwaukee:
Knight could be worth the #8 pick. There are still questions about his playmaking abilities and his three point percentage went down last year though. Elfrid Payton is bigger and a better defender.
Sanders is a great fit for us but I'd hoped with his contract situation that expiring contracts would be enough to snare him.
Mayo is a good buy low candidate who the Bucks would happily give away at this point. With 2 years left on his deal at 8 million per though, he's a significant risk. Could be a good scoring guard off the bench or a backup policy for McLemore's continued development. Not worth #8, but could be a part of a package deal.

My ideal scenario would be the one I proposed in the Personnel Moves forum a little while ago -- Rudy opting in and getting flipped to Milwaukee for Sanders and Mayo. We get our defensive big, depth at SG, and don't have to worry about Gay leaving for nothing. Milwaukee gets a combination of huge salary cap relief after this season (41 million total) and the potential to get a lot better right away for the new owners with Rudy Gay and the #2 pick (Embiid? Exum?) coming their way. Then we use the #8 pick on a PG and the only remaining problem we have is SF depth.
Derek Williams not a bad stop gap at SF.

Lowry/mccallum
Mayo/McLemore
Williams/???
Cousins/JT
Sanders/ JT

The rest
 
I think Williams is better than a stop gap. When he played without Gay, he was a genuine starter.

Not the kind of genuine starter we want or need. Granted if we filled in the rest of the team and he was our one weak spot, I'd take it, but he really wasn't very good.
 
I suppose, but 12.5 points and 7.5 rebounds is nothing to sneeze at.

They're ok but he's too poor an outside shooter and defender to really be that effective. And for his rebounding strength, too often he would have games where he would absolutely disappear on the boards.

The reality is that we are discovering the same reasons he failed in Minn. His effort is inconsistent and he lacks an ideal position to match his strengths. He's young enough to still turn things around but right now he hasn't shown enough.
 
Without Gay, I figure Derrick Williams either builds on what we saw in flashes this season and becomes the starter full-time or he stays who he is which is a solid backup. Either way we need more depth at the position. That's why I framed it that way. I'm a believer though, I think he's talented enough to grab the position and keep it if really given the chance. The lineup I proposed for next season would be:

Elfrid Payton or Ray McCallum
Ben McLemore or OJ Mayo
Derrick Williams
DeMarcus Cousins
Larry Sanders

w/ Landry, Thompson, Evans, and Acy rounding out the bench

I don't think we'd have enough left to sign Kyle Lowry if we bring back both Mayo and Sanders, but I'd love to see him on the Kings. Asking any rookie to step in as the PG in year 1 is a tall order, but at least we wouldn't be asking for much in terms of scoring just the ability to run the offense and defend. Williams is going to have to commit to defense in a big way for this lineup to be good. It's not the big splash that Kevin Love or Rajon Rondo would be, but I really like the potential of this group to play team ball. And the good news is that everyone is young so we'll have time to develop a winner. And we get about 17 million off the cap at the end of the year (Terry/Williams/Outlaw/Evans) so we'll have options going forward. Mayo's 8 million comes off the cap a year later.
 
Depends whether they like Smart. If they do, they're unlikely to trade down because it's highly unlikely that Smart will last to 8. More chance that Randle/Vonleh last to 8 than Smart, in my opinion. I'm not sure PG is their biggest need anyway with Burke there, but maybe.

I mentioned a [highly unlikely] scenario where Embiid slips to 5. If that was the case, you obviously do everything to trade up with them. Hard to imagine they wouldn't just take him themselves, though.

I'll be stunned if Vonleh slides down to 8. I think he'll go 5th in the draft, and possibly Randle will go right behind him. If I had to guess which of the two might slide, it would be Randle, but I doubt it. As for Utah needing a PG, I really have no idea. I heard a rumor that they were targeting a PG, but I also heard that they were open to trading down, or if possible, up in the draft. When you look at their team they have Kantor as center, Favors at PF, Jefferson at SF, Hayward at SG, I suspose you could switch the two of them, and Burke at PG. As backups they have Gobert at center, Marvin Williams at PF, Alex Burkes at SF, Brandon Rush at SG, and John Lucas III at PG. To my mind, their weak at the backup position at PF, so I thought JT would be the perfect fit for them. They get a good backup, and move down 3 spots in the draft. Sounds good to me. I have no idea how it would sound to them.
 
I'll be stunned if Vonleh slides down to 8. I think he'll go 5th in the draft, and possibly Randle will go right behind him. If I had to guess which of the two might slide, it would be Randle, but I doubt it. As for Utah needing a PG, I really have no idea. I heard a rumor that they were targeting a PG, but I also heard that they were open to trading down, or if possible, up in the draft. When you look at their team they have Kantor as center, Favors at PF, Jefferson at SF, Hayward at SG, I suspose you could switch the two of them, and Burke at PG. As backups they have Gobert at center, Marvin Williams at PF, Alex Burkes at SF, Brandon Rush at SG, and John Lucas III at PG. To my mind, their weak at the backup position at PF, so I thought JT would be the perfect fit for them. They get a good backup, and move down 3 spots in the draft. Sounds good to me. I have no idea how it would sound to them.
JT and 8 for 5 is reasonable. I'm not the biggest JT fan but he would play big minutes for them. Kanter is not good. Gobert is many, many years away but I don't think he will amount to much. A deal like this gets us what we want
 
JT and 8 for 5 is reasonable. I'm not the biggest JT fan but he would play big minutes for them. Kanter is not good. Gobert is many, many years away but I don't think he will amount to much. A deal like this gets us what we want

This basically couldn't happen until after July 1, because this year the Jazz can't take back salary, and they don't have a plausible set of players to throw in the deal to match salary.

That said, if you look at a deal and think it's too good to be true, it probably is. I can't see the Jazz doing this for the simple fact that I'd jump on it so fast.
 
This basically couldn't happen until after July 1, because this year the Jazz can't take back salary, and they don't have a plausible set of players to throw in the deal to match salary.

That said, if you look at a deal and think it's too good to be true, it probably is. I can't see the Jazz doing this for the simple fact that I'd jump on it so fast.

I just listened to a podcast with someone that covers the Jazz. He went through the roster and the players that could possibly be there when the Jazz pick. Apparently they really like Exum, but don't think he'll be there when they pick at five. They don't think Smart is a good fit, because they're thinking of a two PG lineup, and unlike Exum, who is effective without the ball in his hands, Smart and Burke both need the ball to be effective. (His opinion). So, the next guy on their list that their high on is Gordon, who, as it turns out, would probably be available at the 8th spot. So I could see them doing a deal with us, contingent on the player we want at five, and the player they want at 8 being available. And that's assuming that Exum doesn't slide to 5. Of course there are a lot of IF"S in that deal, but the chances of the IF's falling into place are good. Just a matter of whether they want to deal or not.

Teams make deals based on the needs of their team, along with the level of talent. Obviously you don't take a lower level player just because you have a need. But if the talent is close to equal, then the need factor will and should come into play.
 
I just listened to a podcast with someone that covers the Jazz. He went through the roster and the players that could possibly be there when the Jazz pick. Apparently they really like Exum, but don't think he'll be there when they pick at five. They don't think Smart is a good fit, because they're thinking of a two PG lineup, and unlike Exum, who is effective without the ball in his hands, Smart and Burke both need the ball to be effective. (His opinion). So, the next guy on their list that their high on is Gordon, who, as it turns out, would probably be available at the 8th spot. So I could see them doing a deal with us, contingent on the player we want at five, and the player they want at 8 being available. And that's assuming that Exum doesn't slide to 5. Of course there are a lot of IF"S in that deal, but the chances of the IF's falling into place are good. Just a matter of whether they want to deal or not.

Teams make deals based on the needs of their team, along with the level of talent. Obviously you don't take a lower level player just because you have a need. But if the talent is close to equal, then the need factor will and should come into play.

Edit: I agree with you on them taking salary back, so any deal would have to wait till after july 1st. But something could be worked out in advance of that. Maybe it could end up being part of a bigger deal with someone like Gordon Hayward. Just throwing him out there as an example.
 
i dont know if we would go for lopez even if we needed him. it would show we were incompetent if we traded him away for a couple second rounders then trade the #8 pick for him a year later, or if we went after him in free agency when we already had him. but i do agree with the type of players you are going for.
..... if that is what happened. Unlikely that incompetence is involved here.
 
as gospel (and, um, yeah, I'm aware of the dangers there), and find us a deal you like:

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...nets-Wolves-Suns-Open-To-Trading-Lottery-Pick

summarized:

Celtics (#6), Lakers (#7), Kings (#8), Hornets (#9), Wolves (#13), Suns (#14)

are all in the market to sell off their picks for veteran help.

Meanwhile the Bucks, Hawks, Blazers, Mavericks and Raptors are all in the market for one of those picks.


If that is your universe, if those 5 teams were the teams you were having to deal with, and if you had competition from all the teams picking around your own pick, what realistic deal for our pick could you come up with out of there that would be a winner for us?

The Bucks have Larry Sanders who could be an interesting player, but I'm not convinced he is the type of character we should pair with Cousins when taking into account his own past. OJ Mayo is a talented kid, but his scoring has fallen and hasn't lived up to the hype.

The Hawks do have Al Horford and Paul Millsap, both guys could upgrade our power forward position. Jeff Teague is a talented kid. Not sure which of those guys the Hawks would be willing to give up. If anything I'd think they'd be looking to add a veteran to help them get over .500 and start to move back up the Eastern standings.

The Blazers wouldn't/shouldn't consider trading Lillard or Aldridge. So that would leave players like Robin Lopez, Nicolas Batum, and Wesley Matthews as their other starters that we could look at trying to acquire. Overall, I'm not sure there is a really good deal to be made.

The Mavericks don't really have the assets to make the trade, both in terms of draft picks or the personnel that would be moved. Looking at their contracted players for next season doesn't make for great reading, with the exception being Monta Ellis. But do we really want to have a potential pairing in our back court of IT and Ellis?

The Raptors do have a few interesting options. Kyle Lowry would be an excellent option if we could do a sign-and-trade. DeMar DeRozan is a heck of a player. Either of those guys would upgrade our PG and SG positions. Outside of that it would be taking upside players like Terrance Ross and Jonas Valanciunas. Now that in itself wouldn't be a bad idea. Our line up would be IT, Ross, Gay, Cousins, Valanciunas. We could gain a late first round pick, or a second rounder off them. With PDA's past in making a trade with the Raptors, they could be the most likely place to do it again.

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Of those teams, I would try to do a deal with the Raptors. Not sure how much you can get them to give up. But if it was possible to acquire Ross and Valanciunas for the #8 pick, then that would give us two talented players to add to the team.

But for me, I would try to do a deal with the Magic. They are rebuilding and have been trying to offload Afflalo and Nelson for quite some time. They could use the #8 pick in the draft. Now I'm not sure if it would be straight swap, but I would be very open to acquiring Nelson and Afflalo for the #8. If we kept IT, that would give us a good rotation at PG, or it would give us the option to let IT walk and use a combination of Nelson and Mccallum. At SG we would have an instant upgrade in Afflalo, and it would allow us to bring McLemore off the bench. It think that would be a good deal for us because we would get two veteran players to come in and contribute.
 
JT and 8 for 5 is reasonable. I'm not the biggest JT fan but he would play big minutes for them. Kanter is not good. Gobert is many, many years away but I don't think he will amount to much. A deal like this gets us what we want
Kanter is better than JT right now and is only 22. There is no way JT would play big minutes over Kanter unless there was an injury or foul trouble. Maybe the Jazz would want him as a good back up but I am not sure who the Jazz want in this draft. Seems to me that dropping 3 spots just to help Sacramento out isn't all that smart.
 
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Of those teams, I would try to do a deal with the Raptors. Not sure how much you can get them to give up. But if it was possible to acquire Ross and Valanciunas for the #8 pick, then that would give us two talented players to add to the team.

But for me, I would try to do a deal with the Magic. They are rebuilding and have been trying to offload Afflalo and Nelson for quite some time. They could use the #8 pick in the draft. Now I'm not sure if it would be straight swap, but I would be very open to acquiring Nelson and Afflalo for the #8. If we kept IT, that would give us a good rotation at PG, or it would give us the option to let IT walk and use a combination of Nelson and Mccallum. At SG we would have an instant upgrade in Afflalo, and it would allow us to bring McLemore off the bench. It think that would be a good deal for us because we would get two veteran players to come in and contribute.

Valanciunas was the 5th overall pick in 2011, Ross was the 8th overall pick in 2012. Both of them were starters last year and have 2 years left on their rookie deals. If PDA can pull off that 2 for 1 deal, he's a magician. I don't think we can get even one of them with our pick. Any Lowry sign-and-trade would have to take place after the draft once free agency opens.

On the Magic, Nelson has one year left -- he's not worth a top 10 pick at this point. Mid-first maybe, though I think you can get him for less than that. Afflalo is intriguing though. You're using back to back picks on the SG position when we still have issues at PG and PF and I'd rather we use the pick to bring someone in for four years who's got a chance to be on the team for much longer (Afflalo has only one guaranteed year left too, the second is a player option), but if the idea is to get better right away Afflalo would accomplish that.
 
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