Stop Including Thomas!

Having Thomas is just like having a debt, because he's of no use to any team. You can pay him the $16M yourself, or you can trade him away and lose out on $16M worth of value you might otherwise have been able to get in that trade. I think it would be stupid to insist that KT must be trade filler, because that will kill many otherwise attractive trades, and what we'd get back would, relatively speaking, totally suck. Still, some possible trade might exist where KT would be the perfect piece of filler, like if we really wanted a guy who was badly overpaid and on a short contract. Then it could make sense.

I don't think Geoff should be rigid about doing it one way or the other. We're going to pay the same heavy penalty no matter what we do with him, so we might as well just do our best and see how the trade market plays out.

Actually at team short on PF could use him off the bench. He can always come in and get 5-8 reb in 15-16 min and has the experience to play bigger guys. DIdn't say "play them well" just he knows how to maximize what he does have. Miami comes to mind if they want to do a Marion for Artest as Marion makes double what RonRon makes.
 
There is no trade that is gonna make us closer to contending with personal. Trading ron is an attempt for us to trade out talent and speed up the rebuild. We can't trade ron for a player who is gonna demand more salary, we need picks and kids and enders so we can rebuild. Thats it. So KT or John OR SAR need to be included.
 
Vlade, come down to Mexico. You can stay at my place. We have three bedrooms, no problem. I'll take you out to the venders and teach you how to negotiate. You can get what you want, but you don't make a quick deal. Rule number one is you never believe what they say, no matter how convincing they are. Some of these guys could be GM's when it comes to making deals. Some of my best deals have been made when I've told them I'm no longer interested in what they have to say and leave.

My point is, its way to early to say what someone will or won't do. You may end up being right in the end, but you've got to try and do whats in the best interest of your team. We don't even know what position Petrie's dealing from. He may already have an offer on the table that takes Thomas, but doesn't get what else he wants in the deal. But if so, he's then dealing from a position of power.

I honestly didn't expect anything to happen until after midnight tonight. The Lakers have until then to decide what to do about Turiaf. If they pass on him, it will be interesting to see what they do next.

I see what you're saying, but I'm not just going off what they're saying but rather where their first offers are. Miami is definitely out of it IMO because there is seemingly no interest and that fits the idea that they really have nothing to gain from Artest, the lakers are offering like Farmar, Mihm, and Ariza right now; to me that's a pretty low starting off point and considering that the lakers do not need Artest I don't see how that ends up with them taking on the worst package for them in Kenny Thomas. Same with Dallas, although there is a better chance of Dallas doing it since Cuban is more willing to spend the money than Buss is. Dallas and LA are not dealing out of desperation and they're both hanging tough in negotiations, there is a long time to go, but they obviously do not want Thomas.
 
I see what you're saying, but I'm not just going off what they're saying but rather where their first offers are. Miami is definitely out of it IMO because there is seemingly no interest and that fits the idea that they really have nothing to gain from Artest, the lakers are offering like Farmar, Mihm, and Ariza right now; to me that's a pretty low starting off point and considering that the lakers do not need Artest I don't see how that ends up with them taking on the worst package for them in Kenny Thomas. Same with Dallas, although there is a better chance of Dallas doing it since Cuban is more willing to spend the money than Buss is. Dallas and LA are not dealing out of desperation and they're both hanging tough in negotiations, there is a long time to go, but they obviously do not want Thomas.

You do realize that every discussion and even offer are not leaked to the press right?
 
I have a funny feeling that once KT's contract expires almost every one here will have a rave or a party :D

Since we never got to celebrate Kings supposed "fixed" title - the day KT is gone via trade or expired contract could be an appropriate moment to finally throw that BIG PARTY!
 
Carmichael Dave reported tonight that the Lakers will not be countering Turiaf's offer from the warrors. Turiaf's contract- odom's contract makes Artest and Thomas's contract not putting the Lakers over the luxury tax.

The deal is one step closer.
 
Carmichael Dave reported tonight that the Lakers will not be countering Turiaf's offer from the warrors. Turiaf's contract- odom's contract makes Artest and Thomas's contract not putting the Lakers over the luxury tax.

The deal is one step closer.
Thats incorrect. Even without Turiaf's contract the Lakers are still going to pay luxury tax. Thats not even taking into account them signing Vujacic which they have expressed interest in doing.

Lakers payroll for next year as of now is over $75 million. Add Vujacic and a couple of other minor signings to that and its easily pushing, if not exceeding the $80 million mark for next year.
 
Thats incorrect. Even without Turiaf's contract the Lakers are still going to pay luxury tax. Thats not even taking into account them signing Vujacic which they have expressed interest in doing.

Lakers payroll for next year as of now is over $75 million. Add Vujacic and a couple of other minor signings to that and its easily pushing, if not exceeding the $80 million mark for next year.

Ok, so I don't account for every dollar, or every move the Lakers are making, or going to make.

My main point here is if Turiaf was re-signed the Artest/Thomas deal has no chance, now it does. Before it was economically impossible, now, not so much.

Plus without Turiaf they probably want someone to fill that void. Some defense, some rebounding....what do you know, we might have somebody that can fill that roll.
 
I see what you're saying, but I'm not just going off what they're saying but rather where their first offers are. Miami is definitely out of it IMO because there is seemingly no interest and that fits the idea that they really have nothing to gain from Artest, the lakers are offering like Farmar, Mihm, and Ariza right now; to me that's a pretty low starting off point and considering that the lakers do not need Artest I don't see how that ends up with them taking on the worst package for them in Kenny Thomas. Same with Dallas, although there is a better chance of Dallas doing it since Cuban is more willing to spend the money than Buss is. Dallas and LA are not dealing out of desperation and they're both hanging tough in negotiations, there is a long time to go, but they obviously do not want Thomas.

Well, one thing is for sure. No one wants Kenny Thomas contract. I think its way to early for the Kings to give up on trying to deal Thomas with Artest, but eventually they might have to. For be it for me to know the interworkings of Petrie's mind, but it appears he would rather eat the last year of Artest's contract than trade him for less than his value.

I think its a double edged sword with Petrie. Having been a player, he always seems to take the players prospective into account. Look at how Camby reacted when he thought he had been traded for basicly nothing after giving years of all star service defensively.

Players do look at those things and remember. Regardless of how we preceive Artest, he is liked by his teammates and players around the league. I think Petrie wants to move him, but at the same time, I think he doesn't want Artest, or other playes around the league, to think he's being disrespected.

Knowing Petrie, when the trade finally comes down, it will be with a team that none of us considered, and will be a total surprise. Think about it. Petrie says absolutely nothing. To me, that means that everything were hearing is coming from the other teams. I doubt that their agenda is to give us a good deal, therefore its propaganda. I'm not saying that the Kings won't send out countermeasures from unknown sources, I just think that some of the trade proposals are wishful thinking by other teams.

I have no doubt that Dallas made the offer that was reported. According to news sources, they admit to the offer. They also reported our counter offer, which makes sense. Who knows how much truth is in the report. They could very well be open to trading Howard, but want to publicly look like they put up a struggle, but in the end, had no choice. My point is, that their front office has admitted to conversations. The Kings front office has adimitted to nothing.

Who would have thought that a player, with so little relevance on the floor, would have so much relevance in the future of the Kings.
 
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Ok, so I don't account for every dollar, or every move the Lakers are making, or going to make.

My main point here is if Turiaf was re-signed the Artest/Thomas deal has no chance, now it does. Before it was economically impossible, now, not so much.

Plus without Turiaf they probably want someone to fill that void. Some defense, some rebounding....what do you know, we might have somebody that can fill that roll.
You can also go the other way and say now that Turiaf is gone, and the uncertainty surrounding Bynum and how well he comes back from the knee surgery, the Lakers might be LESS inclined to trade Odom for Artest.

If they trade Odom they have a questionable Bynum, Gasol, KT and another questionable in Mihm. With Turiaf gone, trading Odom who can play SF and PF looks to be a pretty dumb idea now for the Lakers. With Turiaf gone, they don't have much depth in the front court and take Odom out of that and add KT and you are left with a much depleted front court.

Not sure if Turiaf going to GSW is a good thing or a bad thing for us in terms of trading Artest and KT for Odom.
 
You can also go the other way and say now that Turiaf is gone, and the uncertainty surrounding Bynum and how well he comes back from the knee surgery, the Lakers might be LESS inclined to trade Odom for Artest.

If they trade Odom they have a questionable Bynum, Gasol, KT and another questionable in Mihm. With Turiaf gone, trading Odom who can play SF and PF looks to be a pretty dumb idea now for the Lakers. With Turiaf gone, they don't have much depth in the front court and take Odom out of that and add KT and you are left with a much depleted front court.

Not sure if Turiaf going to GSW is a good thing or a bad thing for us in terms of trading Artest and KT for Odom.

I agree. they were close last year with Odom. Lets say Artest plays SF for them. Who do they have backing up the 4/5. With Odom he backs up PF and Gasol swings to C for a bit and Arize at the 3. I am not sure they will be much better than they are now with Artest. Because they will have holes in the bench a mile wide. I don't think KT can fill that hole.
 
Actually at team short on PF could use him off the bench. He can always come in and get 5-8 reb in 15-16 min and has the experience to play bigger guys. DIdn't say "play them well" just he knows how to maximize what he does have. Miami comes to mind if they want to do a Marion for Artest as Marion makes double what RonRon makes.

Wow. I consider KT to be only the tiniest notch above Mo Taylor or Darryl Watkins at this point, and unlike Kenny, they were happy to come off the bench. If I were a GM desperate for a backup PF, I'd rather pay $800K to the best PF in the summer league who didn't get signed. Better attitude, shorter commitment, more upside.
 
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I agree. they were close last year with Odom. Lets say Artest plays SF for them. Who do they have backing up the 4/5. With Odom he backs up PF and Gasol swings to C for a bit and Arize at the 3. I am not sure they will be much better than they are now with Artest. Because they will have holes in the bench a mile wide. I don't think KT can fill that hole.

Not that this trade is going to happen, but for the sake of insomnia...

I think they could get away with losing Odom for Artest given no major injuries and Bill lasting to the playoffs. Gasol and Bynum will just have to play more minutes and Phil will have to "hide" M'Benga at 5 amap. There are only 2 teams left that can hang with them in 7. Superman's opinion duly noted, the paint is where NO is going to die with West on Gasol and Chandler on Bynum. Boston: Gasol is back at his natural position, Pierce is now guarded by Artest rather than Radmanovic. I think he would notice a slight difference.
 
I got one that does not include KT. There have been many rumors that denver has been intested in Artest and shopping Melo. So how about these...


Artest/SAR for Melo.

Denver gets some much needed D and SAR's contract is not a death trap like KT's


OR

Miller/Artest for Marion

Miami can compete now and still will be able to rebuild down the road.
 
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