So Beno yelled at Hawes?

[King Baller]

Hi Folks,

I noticed Westphal yanked Beno briefly after he yelled at Hawes during the game Monday night. Then Beno does not play on Wednesday. Does anyone know if the two are connected?

KB

 

[Kingsguy881]

Interesting..I have noticed Beno has a tendency to blame others when he messes up.

 

[Sac.1989]

He loves passing on the buck, he threw the whole of the prior seasons team mangement under the bus as soon as we got westphal and blamed it for his poor showing after he got his new contract

 

[SacTownKid]

The one major flaw Beno has is blaming others for his own mistakes. He always yells at somebody else after a mishap, whether it was their fault or not.

 

[Gabriel]

Most of the times I see Beno get frustrated and vocal is because it really wasn't his fault. Hawes' not making the right decision or Thompson going out of control instead of catching the pass cleanly is not on him.

 

[hrdboild]

That might be true, but yelling at your teammates that they messed up is rarely the best way to handle that situation. His comments off the court cast him as someone who doesn't like to take responsibility for his own actions. The two combined together start to look like a trend.

 

[swisshh]

Well, this is just early theory, but there is a distinction in basketball in all its qualities between the NBA and American ball, and the older game and the European game. Some people want to divide this into black b-ball versus white b-ball, but this has little to do with race. It's a difference in how the game is viewed culturally, a bit of national identity and pop culture influence.

Beno will get mad at teammates, Beno does dodge responsibility. Within a team orientation, everyone takes blame and yet no single person is responsible, because everyone is responsible. You don't just let one person down, you let all down. I think parts of this Kings team play best in this mentality, partly because it is what clicks in their brain. I would include Noc in this, even as a chucker.

NBA and American ball since Jordan has become about the star, and the star gets the glory and less of the blame(proportionally). Jordan could chuck a lot of shots in a game and nobody questioned it, but if his teammate was passed the ball and missed badly, Jordan would be in his face. It's not that you let the team down, it is that you let The Star down. The star avoids contempt and hatred, and takes less blame for a loss despite holding the ball more than others, simply by putting up production. When the team is winning, the Star is nigh unquestionable and the support players almost peasantry. It is a bit of Machiavelli, and certainly the Machiavellian idea that Tupac popularized into urban culture.

So when we see Beno yell at a teammate while not saying "I take the blame", I see it as the NBA mentality clashing with the world mentality. In our minds, only the star is allowed to bark at teammates, and support guys like Beno should own up to blame always. For Beno, its about letting the team down and not about taking blame fully or credit fully when you are just one player.

 

[drboiffard]

Well, this is just early theory, but there is a distinction in basketball in all its qualities between the NBA and American ball, and the older game and the European game. Some people want to divide this into black b-ball versus white b-ball, but this has little to do with race. It's a difference in how the game is viewed culturally, a bit of national identity and pop culture influence.

Beno will get mad at teammates, Beno does dodge responsibility. Within a team orientation, everyone takes blame and yet no single person is responsible, because everyone is responsible. You don't just let one person down, you let all down. I think parts of this Kings team play best in this mentality, partly because it is what clicks in their brain. I would include Noc in this, even as a chucker.

NBA and American ball since Jordan has become about the star, and the star gets the glory and less of the blame(proportionally). Jordan could chuck a lot of shots in a game and nobody questioned it, but if his teammate was passed the ball and missed badly, Jordan would be in his face. It's not that you let the team down, it is that you let The Star down. The star avoids contempt and hatred, and takes less blame for a loss despite holding the ball more than others, simply by putting up production. When the team is winning, the Star is nigh unquestionable and the support players almost peasantry. It is a bit of Machiavelli, and certainly the Machiavellian idea that Tupac popularized into urban culture.

So when we see Beno yell at a teammate while not saying "I take the blame", I see it as the NBA mentality clashing with the world mentality. In our minds, only the star is allowed to bark at teammates, and support guys like Beno should own up to blame always. For Beno, its about letting the team down and not about taking blame fully or credit fully when you are just one player.

I completly agree with everything you've written. For being "only a theory", it's quite accurate and realistic IMHO

 

[FaStRmAn]

Well, this is just early theory, but there is a distinction in basketball in all its qualities between the NBA and American ball, and the older game and the European game. Some people want to divide this into black b-ball versus white b-ball, but this has little to do with race. It's a difference in how the game is viewed culturally, a bit of national identity and pop culture influence.

Beno will get mad at teammates, Beno does dodge responsibility. Within a team orientation, everyone takes blame and yet no single person is responsible, because everyone is responsible. You don't just let one person down, you let all down. I think parts of this Kings team play best in this mentality, partly because it is what clicks in their brain. I would include Noc in this, even as a chucker.

NBA and American ball since Jordan has become about the star, and the star gets the glory and less of the blame(proportionally). Jordan could chuck a lot of shots in a game and nobody questioned it, but if his teammate was passed the ball and missed badly, Jordan would be in his face. It's not that you let the team down, it is that you let The Star down. The star avoids contempt and hatred, and takes less blame for a loss despite holding the ball more than others, simply by putting up production. When the team is winning, the Star is nigh unquestionable and the support players almost peasantry. It is a bit of Machiavelli, and certainly the Machiavellian idea that Tupac popularized into urban culture.

So when we see Beno yell at a teammate while not saying "I take the blame", I see it as the NBA mentality clashing with the world mentality. In our minds, only the star is allowed to bark at teammates, and support guys like Beno should own up to blame always. For Beno, its about letting the team down and not about taking blame fully or credit fully when you are just one player.

I agree 100%. This is a very astute assessment of the situation regarding Beno and to a smaller degree Sergio and then Casspi. I think in Euroball, they are more like mercenaries and they all speak up when they think someone else is at fault in order to deflect blame and preserve minutes which are tough to come by in the Euroleague. You actually have to produce to stay on the floor in Euroleague ball. If not, you ride the pine the whole season. Americanized Pro Ball, it is the vocal leader on the team that speaks up when a mistake is made so that the coach isnt the only voice the role players here over and over. The vocal leader is usually the star of the team or the most respect veteran on teams without a star. Since Evans is a lead by example player and a rookie, he is not the vocal leader. We in fact have no vocal leader to call out players when they are not working hard or doing what they should be doing. This is the reason we need Garcia to get healthy and start producing. If he is on the floor, he is your vocal leader who will hold other players responsible. Garcia is an unquestioned TEAM FIRST player. You dont have many vocal leaders in the NBA anymore the way it is set up. There is too much movement and players do not play for the same team for life as before. A player like Tim Duncan is a vocal leader and a AllStar. BUT Star power does not always = leader.

 

[kennadog]

I think its ridiculous to think a "vocal" leader means they have to yell at anybody out there on the court, point fingers or be overtly emotional. You can point things out without acting accusatory or blaming. Some people seem to confuse yelling and angry faces with actual leadership.

Also, leaders usaully accept ultimate blame. You may get the star status, but you also shoulder the bulk of the blame when things aren't working right. Real leaders accept responsibility, at minimum, for their own mistakes.

There are leaders who lead by example. Duncan doesn't yell at his teammates out there or point fingers at them while yelling at them. Do you doubt his leadership?

Vlade never yelled at anybody that I ever saw, either. If you saw him talking to a teammate it was more likely to encourage them after a mistake. He didn't have to yell or get angry to get his point across to teammates. Neither did Webber for that matter, that I can recall. If either of them got mad and angry it was most likely to be in defending a teammate.

Edit: Oops. Just saw the Fasterman used Duncan as an example, too.

 

[Rookie]

Well, this is just early theory, but there is a distinction in basketball in all its qualities between the NBA and American ball, and the older game and the European game. Some people want to divide this into black b-ball versus white b-ball, but this has little to do with race. It's a difference in how the game is viewed culturally, a bit of national identity and pop culture influence.

Beno will get mad at teammates, Beno does dodge responsibility. Within a team orientation, everyone takes blame and yet no single person is responsible, because everyone is responsible. You don't just let one person down, you let all down. I think parts of this Kings team play best in this mentality, partly because it is what clicks in their brain. I would include Noc in this, even as a chucker.

NBA and American ball since Jordan has become about the star, and the star gets the glory and less of the blame(proportionally). Jordan could chuck a lot of shots in a game and nobody questioned it, but if his teammate was passed the ball and missed badly, Jordan would be in his face. It's not that you let the team down, it is that you let The Star down. The star avoids contempt and hatred, and takes less blame for a loss despite holding the ball more than others, simply by putting up production. When the team is winning, the Star is nigh unquestionable and the support players almost peasantry. It is a bit of Machiavelli, and certainly the Machiavellian idea that Tupac popularized into urban culture.

So when we see Beno yell at a teammate while not saying "I take the blame", I see it as the NBA mentality clashing with the world mentality. In our minds, only the star is allowed to bark at teammates, and support guys like Beno should own up to blame always. For Beno, its about letting the team down and not about taking blame fully or credit fully when you are just one player.

I would think in most cases for every sport in any nation, the best player (star player) is usually the leader of the team. When assigned as a leader, you do have the right to demand certain things from the people you lead. (I'm not talking about being a good leader but just the authority to do so.)

I have a feeling that in the Euro league that fans have no problem with their best player playing the most and leading the team. The last thing they would want is their regular player doing the leading and pointing fingure. Just a theory.

As for Beno, too bad he had a history of blaming others, otherwise I wouldn't care about his action.

 

[bajaden]

I was at a game and had seats right behind the Kings bench. As the team was coming off the floor for a timeout, J. Will said something to Funderburke and then started walking toward the bench. Funderburke then said something in return. I couldn't hear of course but J. Will's face got as red as beat and he turned toward Funderburke with fists clenched. At this point Valde stepped in and got both J. Will and Funderburke in a friendly headlock. One under each arm. He held them there with a smile on his face and talked quietly to both of them. When he was done, the both shook hands and that was the end of it.

Now there's no doubt that Vlade was the leader of the that team. At the moment the Kings have no real leader in the Vlade sense. If they did, he would have stepped in and probably taken Beno aside and talked to him. These things happen in professional and amateur sports. Its no different than you having an argument with someone you work with. Except its on TV for everyone to see.

By the way, I doubt that Jordan would have yelled at a teammate for missing an open shot. Its more likely he would have yelled at a teammate for not taking an open shot, or missing a defensive asignment. Everybody misses shots.

 

[CruzDude]

On two of the Beno yelling at teammates recently, both times the team mate was out of position and did not rotate to help the situation. Since their is no floor leader or overall leader, we saw the situation and were left to our own opinions. With a real leader, they would do what Vlade did with JWill and Fundy years ago and solved the problem along the way.