Shareef's Team???

[BMiller52]

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Ok but it seems like SARS is cursed. Also I don't think he and Mike like eachother, and he might be a good player but he was not what the kings needed because Brad is more like a 7'0 shooting guard w/ no hops. We needed a shotblocking athletic rebounder, atleast in my opinion. I will not bash SARS but he does seem cursed and I do not see why everybody loves him, he has only been a king a couple of games and the chemistry has gotten very bad and bonzi has not done anything so we can't blame it on him. Everybody says trade Peja, but he has been our best guy so far. He is not a choker and scored 14 points in the fourth against NYK if I remember correctly(of course it's NYK so...). I don't see why everybody is calling for Peja and Rick to be traded, they were here before and we had success. Reef wasn't here before and so far we are not having success.

Edit: Can't trade rick... I meant I don't get why everyone wants him fired >_<

 

[thesanityannex]

I don't see why everybody is calling for Peja and Rick to be traded, they were here before and we had success. Reef wasn't here before and so far we are not having success.

Not to burst your bubble, but what success have we had with Brad Miller?

 

[BMiller52]

Not to burst your bubble, but what success have we had with Brad Miller?

We did good when he was filling in for Webber, not too mention he's the only 7 footer on our team. We don't have any other real centers.

 

[thesanityannex]

Well you've been speaking of certain success right? Miller is hardly a real center. And speaking of curses, when is Miller's injury coming?

 

[KP]

Reef... I dunno about that one. Good player but I hardly see him putting this team on his back. Then again he's as likely to do it as anyone else on this team... which is to say very unlikely.

Bibby WAKE THE HELL UP!!!!
What is this invasion of the body snatchers?
You're Mike Bibby remember?

 

[BMiller52]

Well you've been speaking of certain success right? Miller is hardly a real center. And speaking of curses, when is Miller's injury coming?

Why do you hate Brad? Also to prevent an injury we should play skinner more, he is a GOOD PLAYER.

 

[KP]

Why do you hate Brad? Also to prevent an injury we should play skinner more, he is a GOOD PLAYER.

Millers injury will be coming just a little bit after Skinners. The guy has only avg 48 games a season over his entire career. He ALWAYS gets hurt. I hold my breath every time Skinner steps on the court.

 

[captain bill]

Ok but it seems like SARS is cursed. Also I don't think he and Mike like eachother, and he might be a good player but he was not what the kings needed because Brad is more like a 7'0 shooting guard w/ no hops. We needed a shotblocking athletic rebounder, atleast in my opinion. I will not bash SARS but he does seem cursed and I do not see why everybody loves him, he has only been a king a couple of games and the chemistry has gotten very bad and bonzi has not done anything so we can't blame it on him. Everybody says trade Peja, but he has been our best guy so far. He is not a choker and scored 14 points in the fourth against NYK if I remember correctly(of course it's NYK so...). I don't see why everybody is calling for Peja and Rick to be traded, they were here before and we had success. Reef wasn't here before and so far we are not having success.

Edit: Can't trade rick... I meant I don't get why everyone wants him fired >_<

Ahem...SAR and SARS are two very different things, just thought I'd point that out.

Understanding that Brad is not an atheltic defender or rebounder, why does that automatically mean we should blame everyone else for not masking his deficiencies? Personally, I think Brad and Mike should be the first to go. They're great players, but they are the worst in terms of lacking defense and athleticism, rebounding, etc. Maybe Peja falls in to the same category, but he can score so much that I would much rather see Mike and Brad going for a truer PG, without as much scoring ability, and a banging athletic center, maybe not as good of a passer, but still decent. Patch up the holes on both sides of the court. The other consideration is that we can get some very very good players for Brad and Mike, maybe if we include Peja we can get something else.

And, as observed, Brad never really brought us that much success. He had a decent season when Webb was out, but that was when he was at PF, where his duties were different and he could mask his failings. I am all for getting a better center and moving Brad to PF, (SAR at SF, or Peja/Bonzi, depedning on who is left). But Brad really hasn't proven anything in terms of being a dominant center. He will always be a liablility when the playoffs roll around, as painfully illustrated last year when Jerome James just dominated us. Keeping Brad as our starting C puts us in a very, very difficult situation defensively and on the boards, and just because he fits the offense well does not mean that we can ignore that.

 

[piksi]

Statistically, Brad Miller has outperformed Shareef? Is there a new basketball statistic that I'm unaware of?

PPG: Reef - 16.0 Miller - 12.7 (Edge Reef: +3.3)
RPG: Reef - 9.0 Miller - 6.4 (Edge Reef: +2.6)
APG: Reef - 3.9 Miller - 5.1 (Edge Miller: +1.2)
TOG: Reef - 2.0 Miller - 2.6 (Edge Reef: -.6)
A/TO: Reef - 1.9 Miller - 1.9 (Edge Even)
FG%: Reef - 52.9 Miller - 44.1 (Edge Reef: +8.8)
Blk: Reef - .71 Miller - .43 (Edge Reef: +.28)
Stl: Reef - .57 Miller - 1.29 (Edge Miller: +.72)


Okay, so unless you count 1 extra assist (which accounts for nothing extra on A/TO) and less than 1 steal more per game, I just fail to see where Miller has outperformed Reef.

how about FT % ?

 

[BMiller52]

Ahem...SAR and SARS are two very different things, just thought I'd point that out.

Understanding that Brad is not an atheltic defender or rebounder, why does that automatically mean we should blame everyone else for not masking his deficiencies? Personally, I think Brad and Mike should be the first to go. They're great players, but they are the worst in terms of lacking defense and athleticism, rebounding, etc. Maybe Peja falls in to the same category, but he can score so much that I would much rather see Mike and Brad going for a truer PG, without as much scoring ability, and a banging athletic center, maybe not as good of a passer, but still decent. Patch up the holes on both sides of the court. The other consideration is that we can get some very very good players for Brad and Mike, maybe if we include Peja we can get something else.

And, as observed, Brad never really brought us that much success. He had a decent season when Webb was out, but that was when he was at PF, where his duties were different and he could mask his failings. I am all for getting a better center and moving Brad to PF, (SAR at SF, or Peja/Bonzi, depedning on who is left). But Brad really hasn't proven anything in terms of being a dominant center. He will always be a liablility when the playoffs roll around, as painfully illustrated last year when Jerome James just dominated us. Keeping Brad as our starting C puts us in a very, very difficult situation defensively and on the boards, and just because he fits the offense well does not mean that we can ignore that.

Well what Cs could we get to move brad to PF? Who's on the market? I know lowright is but I don't know who any of the kings management or the fans would want to give up.

 

[thesanityannex]

Why do you hate Brad? Also to prevent an injury we should play skinner more, he is a GOOD PLAYER.

I'm not hating on Brad. I just don't wear Miller Blinders. He is a great offensive player, but he gets hurt all too often, and is a defensive liability. You seemed so down on SAR, like he'd brought us a losing curse. All I did was point out that we've had no more success with Brad being here, actually less.

 

[BMiller52]

I'm not hating on Brad. I just don't wear Miller Blinders. He is a great offensive player, but he gets hurt all too often, and is a defensive liability. You seemed so down on SAR, like he'd brought us a losing curse. All I did was point out that we've had no more success with Brad being here, actually less.

We had less success with brad here but we had 2 50 win seasons and so far we're on pace for like a 20 win season with SAR? I dont get it.

 

[thesanityannex]

success is shown in the playoffs, not the regular season. all i'm saying it to take the blinders off and take brad down from his throne. it's obvious you are a miller fan by your name, but thats no reason to get down on SAR (who is looking like a real king). brad is one of my favorite players, but he does have his weaknesses, like all players do. his weakness just happens to be a pet peave of mine, being a whiny softie who is out of position.

 

[thesanityannex]

Sanity, how can we have had less success with Brad, when Reef has only played for us for 7 games and with him as our starting PF we have the worst record in the conference? Also with Brad as our starting PF we had the best record in the league. I know there are a lot of other factors besides Reef and Brad that factor into this, but that doesn't make your statement even close to being factual. You seem to come out of nowhere with this stuff.

I was saying less success with Brad as oppossed to Vlade. Not comparing Reef and Brad, hope that clears things up.

 

[BMiller52]

I was saying less success with Brad as oppossed to Vlade. Not comparing Reef and Brad, hope that clears things up.

oh I see. But yeah, we have had less success with Brad than Vlade. Vlade would probably be considered the 2nd best C in the league if we had a prime Vlade right now though, because the C position is so weak. Yao is good but not aggressive enough and Camby is easily injured.

 

[KP]

I was saying less success with Brad as oppossed to Vlade. Not comparing Reef and Brad, hope that clears things up.

My bad, that is 100% true, sorry Sanity.

 

[VF21]

We had less success with brad here but we had 2 50 win seasons and so far we're on pace for like a 20 win season with SAR? I dont get it.

If the only change made to the team was the addition of SAR, then you MIGHT be able to start looking more closely at him as a source of problems.

If Brad was outstanding for each game of those 2 50-win seasons, you might be able to start praising him more for the success.

Neither is accurate.

This is a team in transition; a team that is totally different from last year and the year before that and the year before that. The only things that have remained the same are the names on the front.

 

[SacTownKid]

Oh ... my...

ANOTHER thread turned into some kind of debate about Reef's ON THE COURT performance?

This started out about the TEAM'S selection of Reef as captain. My guess is that it was done because they wanted someone to bridge the gap between the old and the new. Reef, while new to the team, is a veteran and it's already being shown that he's playing with heart and drive. He's a lot more outgoing and aggressive than Mike.

It is the team's decision and their's alone on who becomes captain. If the team chose Reef, I'm not going to try and outguess them. It was their decision to make and they made it.

Pretty much a non-issue, especially considering everything else they have to deal with.

'nuff said!

 

[BonziFan]

i would hope not. rahim is playing like garbage.

SAR is the only one playing worth a damn. I don't how you could think this without being on crack.

 

[BonziFan]

I do not see why everybody is so in love with shareef, he gave us 6 turnovers against the KNICKS! Before we got shareef and we had kenny thomas, we were still playing better with a better record than this. We didn't lose to the skinkin knicks! I believe we have the curse of SARS, or Shareef Abdur Rahim Syndrome. Vancouver=terrible with him, didn't take them long to get good with out him. Atlanta=terrible with him and without him. Portland=perenial playoff team, 21 straight playoff years were SNAPPED when they brought him in, now they are looking not so bad again. Kings=perenial playoff team over the last 7 or so years, we bring in Reef and we are BAD. Reef makes Mike mad because last game Reef was clearly yelling at him on the court and Reef got two technicals which basically put the nail in the coffin. Not only that but he has no desire to win, he says he wants to be a winner but he doesn't take over games or want to carry his team down the stretch. He has the speed of a pf in the body of a SF. His "post game" is just a bunch of gnarly spins like he thinks he's fatoine porker and manu ginobili that either: wind up as travels, a wierd shot going up and sometimes in, a travel, a shot that gets swiped, or a turnover. He isn't big enough to set good picks or anything like that. Please guys, don't be fooled by Shareef! He is bad, come on Petrie trade him!

If you think Shareef is the problem you're insane. There is far more wrong with this team that SAR. He is the only consistent player we have. Double figure scoring every night. No one else on the team has done that.

 

[BMiller52]

If you think Shareef is the problem you're insane. There is far more wrong with this team that SAR. He is the only consistent player we have. Double figure scoring every night. No one else on the team has done that.

peja

 

[acisking]

Personally, I don't see a problem in a team choosing a new player as the captain. If anything it puts a lot less pressure on Mike Bibby's shoulders. At the same time though, I could imagine this leading to conflicts as certain members who had been on the team may feel slighted. Of course, in all likelyhood that would not happen as nobody really seems to want the leadership role.