Shaking Things Up?

You're not taking into consideration a new coaching staff as well here. It's different when you have a established culture all ready and the coach from day one preaches what he expects out of his players. Here? not so much. There is no identity right now....there is one they are trying to achieve which is this non sense fast paced basketball that's not leading to any wins.

Right,.. how the coach does things, is part of getting a feel for a team. I'm saying part of the shake up, will probably include a head coaching change.
I'm good with whatever Vlade decides. He's the one who knows all the details and is qualified to "pass go"
 
Taj trade looks impossible Bulls realised Nikola was a no defense chucker and are now starting Taj who should have been starting at Pf for the Bulls for like the last 5 years.
 
How about this trade?

Kings:
  • Rudy Gay
  • Marco Belinelli
  • James Anderson
Clippers:
  • JJ Reddick
  • Wesley Johnson
  • Jamal Crawford
  • Cole Aldrich
  • 2016 1st rounder
 
I like the first move a lot, which means it's not so good for the bulls.

I agree with the logic of moving collison and getting back a lesser backup pg. And as mentioned, taj gibson and Alec burks could fit rearly nicely as targets.
 
How about this trade?

Kings:
  • Rudy Gay
  • Marco Belinelli
  • James Anderson
Clippers:
  • JJ Reddick
  • Wesley Johnson
  • Jamal Crawford
  • Cole Aldrich
  • 2016 1st rounder

If you remove the fill, your basically trading Rudy Gay and Belinelli for Reddick. Anderson is a throw in on our side. Johnson is a bust. Crawford's best days are behind him, and Aldrich is, well, I'm not sure what he is. Usable as an emergency backup. I'll say this, Reddick fits better into our current run and gun style. Not sure. I'd have to think about it. Off the top of my head, it appears were giving up too much.
 
If you remove the fill, your basically trading Rudy Gay and Belinelli for Reddick. Anderson is a throw in on our side. Johnson is a bust. Crawford's best days are behind him, and Aldrich is, well, I'm not sure what he is. Usable as an emergency backup. I'll say this, Reddick fits better into our current run and gun style. Not sure. I'd have to think about it. Off the top of my head, it appears were giving up too much.
Yeah...I'm basically trading Rudy for JJ because I think he fits this team much more, then we add to the fact that Rudy is really inconsistent. I think JJ can put up 20pts a night on 45% fg 38% 3pt and 90% FT.

Belinelli gives them a SG to fill the void left by JJ Reddick. Belinelli has been really underwhelming for us, but I think he'll eventually start clicking it.

I think it comes down to how someone feels about Rudy being the Kings #2 option. If you immediately slide him to the Lakers, be comes the 3rd option, where he's more suited. While JJ isn't the best 2nd option, he'd fit our offense incredibly well. Rondo-Reddick-Casspi-WCS-Cousins with Collison-Ben-Johnson-Kofus backups..Crawford would be somewhere back there.
 
If you remove the fill, your basically trading Rudy Gay and Belinelli for Reddick. Anderson is a throw in on our side. Johnson is a bust. Crawford's best days are behind him, and Aldrich is, well, I'm not sure what he is. Usable as an emergency backup. I'll say this, Reddick fits better into our current run and gun style. Not sure. I'd have to think about it. Off the top of my head, it appears were giving up too much.

Most definitely.
 
I like the first move a lot, which means it's not so good for the bulls.

I agree with the logic of moving collison and getting back a lesser backup pg. And as mentioned, taj gibson and Alec burks could fit rearly nicely as targets.
I want Taj bad, and I think I've made at least 20 or so posts clamoring for us to get him.

Not only does the trade give us a really good fit at our starting PF position, but it allows the rest of the team to not play out of position.

I can only imagine what Thibs would be able to do with this roster...

PG - Rondo/Hinrich/Curry
SG - McLemore/Belinelli/Anderson
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Gibson/Cauley-Stein/Moreland
C - Cousins/Koufos/Felicio
 
I want Taj bad, and I think I've made at least 20 or so posts clamoring for us to get him.

Not only does the trade give us a really good fit at our starting PF position, but it allows the rest of the team to not play out of position.

I can only imagine what Thibs would be able to do with this roster...

PG - Rondo/Hinrich/Curry
SG - McLemore/Belinelli/Anderson
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Gibson/Cauley-Stein/Moreland
C - Cousins/Koufos/Felicio

That would be so awesome!
 
We may have to wait out this season. WCS will heal and get better. The Coach Karl situation will come to a crossroads. I think Vlade will have to fire Karl at some point since he refuses to change his style.
 
We may have to wait out this season. WCS will heal and get better. The Coach Karl situation will come to a crossroads. I think Vlade will have to fire Karl at some point since he refuses to change his style.
You used a whole 4 sentences but this is it, isn't it?
 
How bout Morris from the suns according to reports teams want assessed if the take him.

KK/Belinelli for Morris/Tucker

Leave the starters alone and than Morris can come off the bench with Collison and WCS.
 
How bout Morris from the suns according to reports teams want assessed if the take him.

KK/Belinelli for Morris/Tucker

Leave the starters alone and than Morris can come off the bench with Collison and WCS.
The Suns have Len and Chandler why would they take KK and we missed the boat on the other Morris twin who plays hard all the time.
 
Can't believe we just lost to Philly.

Time to shake up this roster because Vivek can't swallow his pride to fire Karl at all.
So let's get Karl one of his guys from New York, that's Affalo.

Affalo/O'Quinn for Ben/DC/Anderson


DC can immediately become a starter in New York and with the recent rise of Porz, Affalo has been getting some heat of not passing a lot to Porz. So I think Knicks would take this.
The price here for the Kings is O'Quinn who was a target by many during the summer.

Karl would end up playing Rondo 36 mins and force a hand on Curry to back-up.
And Affalo takes the SG spot and O'Quinn can play either with DMC or sub DMC.
 
The one team that I would talk to is Chicago. Bobby Portis is emerging, would love to have him but I doubt Chicago deals him now, but they are overloaded with bigs. Weird that they have been starting Mirotic, Pau and Taj on the front line...no small forward. Then they bring Portis and Snell off the bench for energy. They still have Noah who is hurt. If Sac could pry away Portis, I'd go after him. Taj Gibson also looked good the coup,e of games I watched. Zero interest in McDermott....I don't think he'll end up being better than a backup at best.
 
The one team that I would talk to is Chicago. Bobby Portis is emerging, would love to have him but I doubt Chicago deals him now, but they are overloaded with bigs. Weird that they have been starting Mirotic, Pau and Taj on the front line...no small forward. Then they bring Portis and Snell off the bench for energy. They still have Noah who is hurt. If Sac could pry away Portis, I'd go after him. Taj Gibson also looked good the coup,e of games I watched. Zero interest in McDermott....I don't think he'll end up being better than a backup at best.
I think the only way we get Portis is in a Cousins deal no way your getting him otherwise, aside from Butler they would trade every other Bull before Bobby. I don't think Rudy by himself would get both Taj and Bobby.
 
The one team that I would talk to is Chicago. Bobby Portis is emerging, would love to have him but I doubt Chicago deals him now, but they are overloaded with bigs. Weird that they have been starting Mirotic, Pau and Taj on the front line...no small forward. Then they bring Portis and Snell off the bench for energy. They still have Noah who is hurt. If Sac could pry away Portis, I'd go after him. Taj Gibson also looked good the coup,e of games I watched. Zero interest in McDermott....I don't think he'll end up being better than a backup at best.

There were some rumors that we talked with CHI about a Mclemore Snell swap. I don't know how reliable the source is but nevertheless very interesting since it would make sense for both sides: Mclemore is more athletic and probably a better shooter but Snell is the way better defender as he is able to defend all wings and even checked Lowry effectively last night.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBABullsPress/status/682203830763831298

There's also tweet that we talked about Gibson.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBABullsPress/status/682562863790096384?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Again, I don't know if there is any truth to this, but the whole thing has me thinking. Maybe we could do some deal like Collison, Mclemore and Caron Butler for Hinrich, Snell and Gibson, fixing our defense and giving them some offensive firepower? Or exchange Gibson with Mirotic if you like, it both works on the trade machine.
 
There were some rumors that we talked with CHI about a Mclemore Snell swap. I don't know how reliable the source is but nevertheless very interesting since it would make sense for both sides: Mclemore is more athletic and probably a better shooter but Snell is the way better defender as he is able to defend all wings and even checked Lowry effectively last night.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBABullsPress/status/682203830763831298

There's also tweet that we talked about Gibson.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBABullsPress/status/682562863790096384?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Again, I don't know if there is any truth to this, but the whole thing has me thinking. Maybe we could do some deal like Collison, Mclemore and Caron Butler for Hinrich, Snell and Gibson, fixing our defense and giving them some offensive firepower? Or exchange Gibson with Mirotic if you like, it both works on the trade machine.

If I'm reading that first tweet correctly, it looks like the Bulls wanted to send Snell for McLemore and we said no, which means we may be in the driver's seat here.

I'm not in favor of a Collison/Hinrich swap in any possible Bulls proposal, but expanding a deal like this to include Gibson would be nifty.
 
I seem to recall the Kings being interested in Snell around the time he was up in the draft, but that was something like three coaches and two GMs ago...
 
Gibson & Snell for Koufos & McLemore works

Kings would be giving up their only real backup center (forcing WCS into a lot more minutes) who is also 4 years younger than Gibson. Snell also is shooting an abysmal percentage overall though slightly better than McLemore from three and is a stronger rebounder and defender.

Gibson is a legit starting PF next to Cousins but it means the Kings SGs would essentially be split between a defensive role player and a shooting role player without a real starter which is the same problem the team has now.

I don't know.
 
Gibson & Snell for Koufos & McLemore works

Kings would be giving up their only real backup center (forcing WCS into a lot more minutes) who is also 4 years younger than Gibson. Snell also is shooting an abysmal percentage overall though slightly better than McLemore from three and is a stronger rebounder and defender.

Gibson is a legit starting PF next to Cousins but it means the Kings SGs would essentially be split between a defensive role player and a shooting role player without a real starter which is the same problem the team has now.

I don't know.

Not sure Cauley-Stein would be getting as many minutes as you think. If Gay is getting around 35 mpg and Casspi is around 28 mpg, that's going to leave 34 minutes left at PF. If Cousins & Gibson are getting a combined 62 mpg, that leaves about 20 minutes left for Cauley-Stein. He's averaging around 18 mpg right now, so obviously it's not "a lot more." Obviously, if we get hit with an injury, we'll be relying on him a lot more, but if the team is healthy, I see him getting around 20 mpg on a consistent basis (and that's not a bad thing in my mind).
 
I like Snell. He looks like the kind of system player the Kings could use in order to be a better defensive team.
Now I don't think he has the same potential as Ben, but Karl doesn't trust Ben.
Snell seems to have his flaws and those flaws are somewhat similar to Ben's.
Not the best ballhandler and if I recall it corrrectly Thibs buried Snell on the bench for an extended period, because he didnt like his work ethic.
Still the somewhat obvious areas of improvement for the Kings right now seem to be the SG and the PF position. Any with Casspi's recent play the PF position maybe becomes less of a weak spot.
I would pull the trigger on a Ben for Snell deal.
 
If do a Collison/KK/Ben for Brooks/ snell/Gibson and our pick back. Hinrich has a no trade clause
Although loosing Collison might be big Rondo will be playing 33-36mpg so a back up pg only would play 15mpg and Brooks is serviceable. This will also force Karl to go big at all times. Now Snell would be an upgrade from Ben cause he's shooting 3s better and can guard multiple positions. Also like its been said I've witnessed with my own 2 eyes Snell guard Lebron and do a good job on him. Gibson is the get here as ya Casspi looks cool starting but you ain't a real threat is he is starting. Gibson would be a very good PF and the bulls have been playing very good since inserting him in the lineup (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ibson-bits-bulls-spt-0102-20160101-story.html). He can guard PFs as well as stretch the floors ms is battle tested. He pushed casspi to the bench wher casspi/Belinelli/Brooks can give us a scoring punch while WCS gives us energy. We would also get our pick back giving us another asset. I think Collison leaves is anyway when we resign Rondo so get Gibson have him start for 2-3 years while WCS gets better.
 
If do a Collison/KK/Ben for Brooks/ snell/Gibson and our pick back. Hinrich has a no trade clause
Although loosing Collison might be big Rondo will be playing 33-36mpg so a back up pg only would play 15mpg and Brooks is serviceable. This will also force Karl to go big at all times. Now Snell would be an upgrade from Ben cause he's shooting 3s better and can guard multiple positions. Also like its been said I've witnessed with my own 2 eyes Snell guard Lebron and do a good job on him. Gibson is the get here as ya Casspi looks cool starting but you ain't a real threat is he is starting. Gibson would be a very good PF and the bulls have been playing very good since inserting him in the lineup (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sport...ibson-bits-bulls-spt-0102-20160101-story.html). He can guard PFs as well as stretch the floors ms is battle tested. He pushed casspi to the bench wher casspi/Belinelli/Brooks can give us a scoring punch while WCS gives us energy. We would also get our pick back giving us another asset. I think Collison leaves is anyway when we resign Rondo so get Gibson have him start for 2-3 years while WCS gets better.

I really hate it, when DC goes into this "I dribble the ball and run into traffic, because I can"-mode, but at least DC this season is only a part time chucker. Brooks is a full time chucker. He really isn't doing anything else. I absolutely hate watching this guy. No way I want him back on this team. Vlade luckily avoided throwing money at Lou Williams. I think he won't make the mistake to gift the Bulls a capable all around backup PG and fringe starting PG, while getting back Aaron Brooks, who seems to be a leftover of Thibs, who somehow had a crush for this instant offense undersized SG's, because he couldn't coach offense to save his life (ok ok I'm exaggerating....).

Gibson is a serviceable PF with a nice all around game. But my hope would be, that Willie somehow finds some offensive Mojo and proves, that he can be a starting NBA PF next to DMC. All he has to do is to shoot and hit a 15 ft. jumpshot once in a while.
I take Willie over Gibson because he is much more mobile, runs the floor better and is potentially great as a pick&roll and weak side defender.

And I wouldn't even consider sending out KK. This guy is clearly one of the best backup C's right now and is on a realtively cheap deal. He has the bulk to clog the paint and to defend the occasional strong big man, we run into and with his nice array of floaters and quick hooks can at least get most of the dish off's he gets from Rondo and Cousins up to the basket before the D locks him down.
And unlike Gibson KK will accept every role. Gibson accepted a bench role for the Bulls, because they were a contending team, but was close to blow up, when they signed Gasol and benched him again.
Aquiring him and still playing Willie for large amount of minutes at the PF spot, could be a risky move considering team chemistry.
 
If we could get Butler from the Bulls, and that includes giving up Rudy, we would be golden. He is the only top tier SG that you may have a chance of getting. Gibson is a nice player, he would definitely be my second pick for a player to trade for from the Bulls. We need a change.

I would also greatly entertain trading Collison. He's a player that could really bring in a nice piece for us, especially if we send someone else out with him.
 
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