[SAS/NOH] - who will Bowen injure now ?

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DET-ORL will not go six games.

Oh, and I care about home teams winning every game. Everyone says it "the series doesn't start till someone wins on the road." With all these 2-2 series...we basically saw 4 worthless blowout games that meant nothing. Sorry, but that just doesn't get me all jazzed and excited.
 
DET-ORL will not go six games.

Oh, and I care about home teams winning every game. Everyone says it "the series doesn't start till someone wins on the road." With all these 2-2 series...we basically saw 4 worthless blowout games that meant nothing. Sorry, but that just doesn't get me all jazzed and excited.
If you think that the first four games of a seven game series are pointless just because the series is tied 2-2, then I'm sorry, but you don't understand the playoffs. And that line about the series not starting until the home team loses is crap, because if the home team goes 4-0 at home, 0-3 on the road, that's a seven game series. That's exciting, just like the Boston/Atlanta series was, even though we all knew who was going to win.

I can understand not wanting to see blowouts, but I don't think there have been all that many blowouts so far, and if you're team is doing the blowing out, that's a pretty fun game in my opinion.

This is a playoff season where, depending on the matchups, six of the remaining eight teams (maybe seven; I'm discounting Cleveland, which I shouldn't do as long as LeBron plays) could realistically win the championship. That's exciting to me, even if one of those six teams is the Lakers. The matchups are intriguing, and figure to be in the next round, no matter who gets there.

If you can't enjoy these playoffs, check your pulse. This has been one of the best seasons I can remember.
 

Bricklayer

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The Spurs have begun to look mighty cheap in these playopffs wiht all of the rule exploit stuff. The flopping has been a long time constant, but now adding in hack-a-whoever just looks...scared. Its an underdog strategy when you don't have the better team and need to find an angle. For the defending champs to be repeatedly breaking it out is just unseemly.
 
both fouls on Chandler were pathetic.
The first offensive foul where Parker got laid out because Duncan didn't tell him a screen was coming was infuriating. Chandler didn't extend his arms away from his body at all. He just happened to be bigger than Parker.

Chandler out of the game, and the Spurs have cut the lead to 10 after Barry gets by Peja...but Peja gets it back with his first 3. Let's go Hornets!

Edit: Peja with 10 boards in this game to make up for not getting shots with Bowen draped all over him the entire game.
 
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if Chandler and West aren't 100% Hornets won't win the series. The dirty, flopping crying cheating champs are now #1 on my most hated NBA team list. They should sign Kevin Willis to make them younger
 

Bricklayer

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Like I said earlier in this thread -- or one of them -- the vibe around this whole series reminds me a lot of '02 Kings/Lakers. Not quite the drama, but the same passing the torch/old champs desperately trying to hang on one more time thing going on.
 


San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker (9) lies on the court after being fouled during the fourth quarter in Game 5 of their second round NBA playoff basketball series against the New Orleans Hornets in New Orleans, Louisiana May 13, 2008.


San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker (9) squints after taking a hard foul as teammate Tim Duncan walks behind during the second quarter in Game 5 of their second round NBA playoff basketball series against the New Orleans Hornets in New Orleans, Louisiana May 13, 2008.


NEW ORLEANS - MAY 13: San Antonio Spurs head coach Gregg Popovich yells at official Joey Crawford
 



San Antonio Spurs guard Tony Parker, of France, talks to officials in the first half of Game 5 of an NBA Western Conference semifinal basketball playoff series against the New Orleans Hornets on Tuesday, May 13, 2008, in New Orleans.
 
The Spurs have begun to look mighty cheap in these playopffs wiht all of the rule exploit stuff. The flopping has been a long time constant, but now adding in hack-a-whoever just looks...scared. Its an underdog strategy when you don't have the better team and need to find an angle. For the defending champs to be repeatedly breaking it out is just unseemly.
I have to agree. As someone who has defending the Spurs and their coach repeatedly throughout these playoffs, the intentional fouling to put poor shooters on the line is beyond played.

Is Pop doing this as much at home as he is on the road? Maybe this is a ploy to get the other teams' crowds to settle down a bit. But you're absolutely right, it does look like a scared tactic and doesn't make sense for a team that should be able to win this series.
 
Those people are stupid.
Why? If no team wins on the road, the series would go indefinitely if there wasn't a 7 game limit. Good thing the NBA doesnt have a "win by 2" rule.

I want to know why this supposedly "wrong" premise that I've heard several times every year from many top players and coaches is wrong. It seems to work out pretty logically. No road wins = higher seeded team wins. Basically, you could've just not done the series at all and just let the team with the higher seeding go on.

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If you think that the first four games of a seven game series are pointless just because the series is tied 2-2, then I'm sorry, but you don't understand the playoffs.
I haven't been watching the NBA for 20 years like some people around here, but trust me, I understand the playoffs. And my conjecture wasn't about all series that have been tied at 2-2 ever. I was referring to the recent ones, which have been unanimous home team blows outs. (and yeah, theres been a lot of blow outs, look up some box scores).

I can't figure out why it so hard for you to get that what makes these last few playoffs series lackluster for me is not the teams involved, their potential, or the players themselves, but the fact that each team keeps turning it on at home, and off on the road. When I turn on a game, I want to see a competition, not a parade to the hoop by the home team. Okay, maybe a little if its the Hornets, but I digress.

I completely agree with you that these playoffs are exciting in the fact that theres no clear frontrunner. My problem is every road teams complete lack to even compete. The BOS-ATL series was not exciting. Game 4 was exciting. The rest of it was Celtic blow outs and double digit wins by the Hawks at home. You said yourself, you knew who was going to win. How can it be exciting if you know the result?

Hell, I've fuond myself rooting for the damn LAKERS because I wanted to see a close game in Utah. I got my wish a few nights ago and luckily they still lost. *phew*
 

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Why? If no team wins on the road, the series would go indefinitely if there wasn't a 7 game limit. Good thing the NBA doesnt have a "win by 2" rule.

I want to know why this supposedly "wrong" premise that I've heard several times every year from many top players and coaches is wrong. It seems to work out pretty logically. No road wins = higher seeded team wins. Basically, you could've just not done the series at all and just let the team with the higher seeding go on.
Think of it this way - if you were the Spurs coming home 0-2, has the series "started" for you yet? Whatever you think about the home teams winning the vast majority of the games in the PO, the Spurs at that point have to win 4 of 5 to move on instead of 4 of 7.
 
I haven't been watching the NBA for 20 years like some people around here, but trust me, I understand the playoffs. And my conjecture wasn't about all series that have been tied at 2-2 ever. I was referring to the recent ones, which have been unanimous home team blows outs. (and yeah, theres been a lot of blow outs, look up some box scores).

I can't figure out why it so hard for you to get that what makes these last few playoffs series lackluster for me is not the teams involved, their potential, or the players themselves, but the fact that each team keeps turning it on at home, and off on the road. When I turn on a game, I want to see a competition, not a parade to the hoop by the home team. Okay, maybe a little if its the Hornets, but I digress.

I completely agree with you that these playoffs are exciting in the fact that theres no clear frontrunner. My problem is every road teams complete lack to even compete. The BOS-ATL series was not exciting. Game 4 was exciting. The rest of it was Celtic blow outs and double digit wins by the Hawks at home. You said yourself, you knew who was going to win. How can it be exciting if you know the result?

Hell, I've fuond myself rooting for the damn LAKERS because I wanted to see a close game in Utah. I got my wish a few nights ago and luckily they still lost. *phew*
I think I said that I understand what you're saying; I just disagree that the playoffs haven't been exciting, regardless of the amount of blowouts.

And with the Boston series, it wasn't necessarily the games or the outcome of them as much as it was the undercurrent and the backstory of the series, especially after seeing what happened to the Mavs last season. I never really expected the Hawks to win the series, but then again, I don't think anyone expected them to win any games. If there was going to be a sweep and you had to put your money on what series it was going to be in, it would have been that one; that's the one series that went seven games. I think that's exciting.

I think the fact that six of the seven teams remaining have a good shot at the championship is exciting. I think that the Cavs, the seventh team, are exciting because they have LeBron who has shown the ability to single-handedly carry his team to a series win.

There's only two things that are not exciting to me in these playoffs: 1) the inane way the referees are calling/not calling fouls, and 2) Gregg Popovich's Hack-a-Whoever every road game. Other than that, I'm loving this.
 
I think I said that I understand what you're saying; I just disagree that the playoffs haven't been exciting, regardless of the amount of blowouts.

And with the Boston series, it wasn't necessarily the games or the outcome of them as much as it was the undercurrent and the backstory of the series, especially after seeing what happened to the Mavs last season. I never really expected the Hawks to win the series, but then again, I don't think anyone expected them to win any games. If there was going to be a sweep and you had to put your money on what series it was going to be in, it would have been that one; that's the one series that went seven games. I think that's exciting.

I think the fact that six of the seven teams remaining have a good shot at the championship is exciting. I think that the Cavs, the seventh team, are exciting because they have LeBron who has shown the ability to single-handedly carry his team to a series win.

There's only two things that are not exciting to me in these playoffs: 1) the inane way the referees are calling/not calling fouls, and 2) Gregg Popovich's Hack-a-Whoever every road game. Other than that, I'm loving this.
Welcome to 2007. Just kidding. Not bad for a kid in his 5th year out of high school. Last year, kids his age were seniors in college, while BronBron was in the NBA finals, without a teammate named Shaq of course. TskTsk Kobe.
 
This years playoffs has been alright. A few blowout games, but tight series. Much better than last year where only a few series even went six games. To me the best playoff year in recent memory was 2006. The Suns v Lakers, Suns v Clippers, Mavs v Spurs all went 7 games with each game pretty exciting. The Mavs v Suns in the conference finals was pretty good and the NBA finals was outstanding as well.
 
Think of it this way - if you were the Spurs coming home 0-2, has the series "started" for you yet? Whatever you think about the home teams winning the vast majority of the games in the PO, the Spurs at that point have to win 4 of 5 to move on instead of 4 of 7.
I don't really think the series had started. If they had lost game 3 (meaning a team winning on the road) then yes, it would have "started" and ended in the same game. 2 teams blowing eachother out on eachothers home court really doesnt = the start of a grueling playoff series to me.

I guess agree to disagree here. But again, no road wins means top seed moving on. Which means you could have just not done the series at all.
 

Bricklayer

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I don't really think the series had started. If they had lost game 3 (meaning a team winning on the road) then yes, it would have "started" and ended in the same game. 2 teams blowing eachother out on eachothers home court really doesnt = the start of a grueling playoff series to me.

I guess agree to disagree here. But again, no road wins means top seed moving on. Which means you could have just not done the series at all.

That is a remarkably formulaic way to look at it. No road wins also = every single game the deeper you get into the series becoming more and more critical. Game 5 last night was huge -- the Hornets lose it, they may never make it back. Game 6 is an elimination game now. Game 7 will be a Game 7 -- classic double elimination game. If everybody has held serve in every previous game, it jsut makes the next service game all the more important -- the first team to stumble, the first break, and that is likely it. You cna complain about the home team winning every game AFTER the series is over, and the pattern has carried through. While the series is going on that pattern just makes the pressure mount and mount, and makes the home teams more and more desperate. Because if you blink first, its curtains.
 
I don't really think the series had started. If they had lost game 3 (meaning a team winning on the road) then yes, it would have "started" and ended in the same game. 2 teams blowing eachother out on eachothers home court really doesnt = the start of a grueling playoff series to me.

I guess agree to disagree here. But again, no road wins means top seed moving on. Which means you could have just not done the series at all.
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If we go to Game 5 with four blowouts, but the road teams went 4-0 instead of the home team, what's the difference? The series started in Game 1, according to your criteria, but Game 5 is just as crucial for both teams. A 2-2 series means it's a best of three, regardless of who won what game by how many. It's tied up and someone is going to be on the ropes after that game; does it matter who? The playoffs are set up so that the team with the better record has the advantage of playing the most games at home, but that's generally not the reason they win the series. They generally win the series because they're the better team, and that's why they had home court advantage in the first place. It's up to the lower seeded team to steal that advantage, if they can, but even if they can't, they have the opportunity to even it up if they win their home games. I don't see how that lessens the series if that happens.

And if you think that seven games = no games just because the home team went 7-0, ask the Celtics if they would have preferred a first round bye to going back and forth to Atlanta, even though they took care of home. Might as well have not played, right? But here they are in the second round, showing the same struggles that plagued them on the road in the Hawks series, and it could potentially cost them a shot at the title. But that series hasn't started yet, right?

In the '98 ECF, the Bulls and Pacers went seven games, with the home team not losing a game. That was one of the most competitive, hard-fought series in the last decade, maybe the most competitive. I have a soft spot in my heart for the 2002 WCF, but the objective fan in me says that that series was tops. There was fighting, there was bickering, there was drama (always was with Reggie Miller), and there were broken hearts. Probably Reggie Miller's best shot at a ring, even though he made it to the Finals two years later, only to be cut down again by a Phil Jackson super squad.

According to you, that series never even started. I reject that notion.

Like I said, I understand your gripe about the blowouts and all that, but let's not get so caught up in silly cliches that we ignore the fact that every win and every loss is crucial in the playoffs, whether it's at home or not, whether you have home court advantage or not. The series starts when the ball goes up in Game 1, and that's why they play the games.
 
Well the bottom line is that there haven't been that many exciting or great games in these playoffs, and even though series as a whole can be relatively interesting, I miss getting excited and nervous at the end of close games.
 
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