SAR coming to the Kings discussion (merged)

[nbrans]

We can only hope it falls through.

God forbid that the Kings would make a move to improve the team. Perish the thought!

 

[ONEZERO]

everyone is talking like RAH is signed sealed and delivered. I don't think that is the case.

who is that?

 

[thesanityannex]

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Aug 10 - Talk about getting set adrift. After the Nets abruptly cut the line on the Shareef Abdur-Rahim deal, agent Aaron Goodwin is looking for a new team to sign with. Goodwin says six or seven other teams are interested in his client, according to the New York Post. The Kings are one of those teams. Geoff Petrie told the Sacramento Bee, "In light of the events of (Tuesday), and that Shareef is now a free agent, we have very, very, very serious interest in trying to work something out in the next couple of days. It's highly unlikely that this would be a sign-and-trade deal." But you have to wonder what kind of cash he can command now. SAR declined a $47 million offer from the Bucks earlier in the summer.

He'll be getting somewhere around 29 million i think. pretty cheap.

 

[thesanityannex]

everyone is talking like RAH is signed sealed and delivered. I don't think that is the case.

Rareef Abdur Haheem

 

[foretaz]

everyone is talking like RAH is signed sealed and delivered. I don't think that is the case.

wow...kings are getting rip hamilton?

 

[6th]

who is that?

A soft cheerleader.

 

[Yoda]

God forbid that the Kings would make a move to improve the team. Perish the thought!

You keep trying to shove that notion down our throats.
I, on the other hand think we become softer and locked into mediocracy for years to come. Adding talent is not always a good thing, just ask Portland and the previously employed GM Bob [size=-1]Whitsitt.[/size]

 

[ONEZERO]

Rareef Abdur Haheem

dude, that made me laugh for a while.

 

[nbrans]

You keep trying to shove that notion down our throats.
I, on the other hand think we become softer and locked into mediocracy for years to come. Adding talent is not always a good thing, just ask Portland and the previously employed GM Bob [size=-1]Whitsitt.[/size]

I honestly don't even see how it's even debatable to add someone like SAR's talent for the ridiculously low price of $29 million. Adding talent for a reasonable price is always always always a good thing, it doesn't mire you mediocrity. Even if the player isn't a good fit you can move him elsewhere and you're the better for it. It's not like SAR is precluding the addition of a player that is more talented, it's either him or a lesser player.

The only risk is that his knee will fall off.

But the notion that adding Shareef Abdur-Rahim is somehow going to make the Kings worse is downright bizarre.

 

[uolj]

I share the concern that the Kings are not getting the type of players they need to contend for a championship.

I also share the excitement of potentially getting more talent at a reasonable price.

It doesn't have to be either or. I'm still in wait and see mode.

 

[Yoda]

I honestly don't even see how it's even debatable to add someone like SAR's talent for the ridiculously low price of $29 million. Adding talent for a reasonable price is always always always a good thing, it doesn't mire you mediocrity. Even if the player isn't a good fit you can move him elsewhere and you're the better for it. It's not like SAR is precluding the addition of a player that is more talented, it's either him or a lesser player.

The only risk is that his knee will fall off.

But the notion that adding Shareef Abdur-Rahim is somehow going to make the Kings worse is downright bizarre.

Only 5 can play on the court at the same time. When SAR (who may be less of a player then Thomas) is in there, which will be often. We will have an undersized pf (who really is a sf) who cannot play defense, has never won on the professional lvl, and cannot rebound. What a great combination with our soon to be maxed out sf.
If this signing become official, it send a loud message to me, as a fan, that the Kings are not about defense and they dont intend to be anytime in the near future.

 

[thesanityannex]

You keep trying to shove that notion down our throats.
I, on the other hand think we become softer and locked into mediocracy for years to come. Adding talent is not always a good thing, just ask Portland and the previously employed GM Bob [size=-1]Whitsitt.[/size]

Did you just compare the Kings and Portland??? That is funny. I know chemistry had nothing to do with it.

 

[Yoda]

Did you just compare the Kings and Portland??? That is funny. I know chemistry had nothing to do with it.

Your criticism is very ironic considering we are about to add two of there players.

 

[nbrans]

Only 5 can play on the court at the same time. When SAR (who may be less of a player then Thomas) is in there, which will be often. We will have an undersized pf (who really is a sf) who cannot play defense, has never won on the professional lvl, and cannot rebound. What a great combination with our soon to be maxed out sf.
If this signing become official, it send a loud message to me, as a fan, that the Kings are not about defense and they dont intend to be anytime in the near future.

First off, he's a power forward, he's a 6'9" POST PLAYER who can't shoot from outside and can't slash to the baskest. The whole point of signing SAR is to give the Kings a post presence that they haven't had since Webber was healthy. Can't rebound???? Are you serious or do you not bother to look at stats?

And wow, if the Kings DON'T make this signing and they have the opportunity it shows they're not serious about improving the team. Luckily Geoff Petrie's the general manager and he's SANE.

 

[thesanityannex]

If this signing become official, it send a loud message to me, as a fan, that the Kings are not about defense and they dont intend to be anytime in the near future.

Not about defense??? Hmmmmmm.....Hart, Sampson, Garcia, Wells, Martin. Not all Western Conf. PF are defensive specialists. And when did SAR become a bad rebounder, is 8 boards not enough? Everyone seemed fine with Webber bringing down 9 a night.

 

[ONEZERO]

I agree with yoda on the defense thing.... If lack of defense has caused major problems in ur organization and u sign a player like SAR, u have no intention on improving on defense. If this signing goes through, then I will lose some trust in our organization... They repeatidly stated that defense, rebounding, size, and athletism were high on their priority list this offseason and signing SAR would be the total opposite.... I know he could be a part of another trade, but who knows what happens.... What if something happens and drastically drops his trade value and were stuck with him.....

Basically, I don't see how SAR fills our needs.... Right now it seems that we took the backup pg and starting sg positions more seriously then the position that was so highly spoken off, the PF position.

 

[Yoda]

Can't rebound???? Are you serious or do you not bother to look at stats?

I am not belittling you any any sense do not do so to me.

He averages 8 rebounds a game for his career. Stats aside and watching him, he is not a strong guy or a leaper. Nothing about him says he is a good rebounder. He is a scorer, always has been. Whatever the price we do not need more one dimensional players.

 

[Ryan]

I don't know, considering we have Peja in the PF spot right now, SAR doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. He's never really been given a chance considering all of his previous teams. But I do agree that we need some defensive players, and SAR's not the best.

 

[Yoda]

Not about defense??? Hmmmmmm.....Hart, Sampson, Garcia, Wells, Martin. Not all Western Conf. PF are defensive specialists. And when did SAR become a bad rebounder, is 8 boards not enough? Everyone seemed fine with Webber bringing down 9 a night.

What???/ Hart and maybe Wells is the only one in that group that I dont cringe over hearing you mention.

Noone was happy with Webb's rebounding.

 

[thesanityannex]

I agree with yoda on the defense thing.... If lack of defense has caused major problems in ur organization and u sign a player like SAR, u have no intention on improving on defense. If this signing goes through, then I will lose some trust in our organization... They repeatidly stated that defense, rebounding, size, and athletism were high on their priority list this offseason and signing SAR would be the total opposite.... I know he could be a part of another trade, but who knows what happens.... What if something happens and drastically drops his trade value and were stuck with him.....

Basically, I don't see how SAR fills our needs.... Right now it seems that we took the backup pg and starting sg positions more seriously then the position that was so highly spoken off, the PF position.

Signing one person like SAR does not mean the front office has abandoned the theory of becoming more defensive. Has SAR lead everyone to forget about Hart, Garcia, Sampson, and Wells? These are athletic, defensive players. SAR is too good of an offensive talent to pass up. To me, passing on SAR just because he isn't the IDEAL PF we all hope for, would be ludicrous, and an unwise business move.

 

[thesanityannex]

What???/ Hart and maybe Wells is the only one in that group that I dont cringe over hearing you mention.

Noone was happy with Webb's rebounding.

You must not have seen Garcia or Martin play much. Garcia and Martin can D up. You will see that.

 

[nbrans]

I am not belittling you any any sense do not do so to me.

He averages 8 rebounds a game for his career. Stats aside and watching him, he is not a strong guy or a leaper. Nothing about him says he is a good rebounder. He is a scorer, always has been. Whatever the price we do not need more one dimensional players.

You're right, I apologize.

There aren't very many players who can average 8 or more rebounds a night, and SAR is one of them. He's not exactly a rebounding machine, but I would characterize him as a "good" rebounder. He's also a decent defender even though some on this board has characterized him as extremely soft. He's also multidimensional and gives the Kings the post presence they so badly need.

I understand your concerns about defense, I just think that acquiring a defensive specialist at the 4 position is just not realistic since a player like that is not available, nor do I think that it would solve all of the team's problems.

Players of Shareef Abdur-Rahim's talent don't come available for $29 million very often. Even if his defense isn't as good as we'd all like, the offseason is about making the Kings better, which he does.

 

[Yoda]

Garcia and Martin can D up. You will see that.

They may be able to, but those guys arent moves that make me think this organization is trying to fix our defensive issues.

 

[Diabeticwonder]

I agree with yoda on the defense thing.... If lack of defense has caused major problems in ur organization and u sign a player like SAR, u have no intention on improving on defense. If this signing goes through, then I will lose some trust in our organization... They repeatidly stated that defense, rebounding, size, and athletism were high on their priority list this offseason and signing SAR would be the total opposite.... I know he could be a part of another trade, but who knows what happens.... What if something happens and drastically drops his trade value and were stuck with him.....

Basically, I don't see how SAR fills our needs.... Right now it seems that we took the backup pg and starting sg positions more seriously then the position that was so highly spoken off, the PF position.

I believe that the Kings have been pretty genuine about wanting to upgrade the defense on the team and they have realized that they have to in order to get to the promised land. However, guys that fit the description of what the team needs are not a dime a dozen. Those types of players who can rebound, defend, are athletic and have size are so hard to come by that the only way to acquire someone like that is to give up something valuable in return and I don't think that they are willing to give up Peja, Brad or Mike. Therefore, if it is impossible to acquire that type of player due to self imposed restrictions then you have to go out and get the best player available that fills a need. The 4 spot is a huge need for this team and SAR I believe is the best they can do without giving up one of the three core members. Assuming that SAR becomes a member of the Kings they will have done a fantastic job this offseason. Would I have liked to see someone other than SAR? Of course! But, those players (KG, Chandler, Brand, etc) will command at least one of the three core and I don't think that they want to give one of them up when they can get someone with SAR's abilities while keeping the core together...at least for one more year.

 

[macadocious]

I agree with yoda on the defense thing.... If lack of defense has caused major problems in ur organization and u sign a player like SAR, u have no intention on improving on defense. If this signing goes through, then I will lose some trust in our organization... They repeatidly stated that defense, rebounding, size, and athletism were high on their priority list this offseason and signing SAR would be the total opposite.... I know he could be a part of another trade, but who knows what happens.... What if something happens and drastically drops his trade value and were stuck with him.....

Basically, I don't see how SAR fills our needs.... Right now it seems that we took the backup pg and starting sg positions more seriously then the position that was so highly spoken off, the PF position.

What grandious options do you think are out there at PF for 5 mil a year?

 

[thesanityannex]

They may be able to, but those guys arent moves that make me think this organization is trying to fix our defensive issues.

You can't always start from the top. I'd rather build a solid defensive bench at this point and let the "soft" starters take the embarrassment they sufferred last year and drop a pair, all the while learning how to show some effort on "D". All we need is a defensive influence/leader similar to Christie and wham, defensive team. (<<<<overly simplified)

 

[uolj]

What grandious options do you think are out there at PF for 5 mil a year?

The worry is that the Kings have been hot on Abdur-Rahim's trail since the beginning of the offseason, meaning that if other PF's were available that better fit the team's needs, it didn't matter because the Kings wanted Shareef.

 

[Yoda]

What grandious options do you think are out there at PF for 5 mil a year?

Who says 5 million....Peja (and others) for a very good pf.

 

[mbkings10]

Well there wasn't a huge free agent market for power fowards this year. It would of been nice to get somebody like Griffin from Minny, but considering SAR is coming that cheap it isn't a bad pickup and he is another tradeable piece for the future.

 

[thesanityannex]

Assuming that SAR becomes a member of the Kings they will have done a fantastic job this offseason. Would I have liked to see someone other than SAR? Of course! But, those players (KG, Chandler, Brand, etc) will command at least one of the three core and I don't think that they want to give one of them up when they can get someone with SAR's abilities while keeping the core together...at least for one more year.

If you were to tell me the Kings were going to get Bonzi Wells and Shareef Abdur Rahim without giving up Miller, Peja, or Bibby...............I would first be very excited, then I would call you a liar.