Sacramento Free Agency <crickets chirping>

Tetsujin said:
But Dallas has the added benefit of being a larger market team who just won a championship a year ago, has a superstar, has a top coach, a relatively large amount of cap space, and still has a bunch of pieces to make a run.
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how does that compare to...broke owners, power balance wristbands, 2% of the palms, a new coach every year, no security that you will be in sacramento in 2 years, and 100+ degree weather?
 
Čarolija said:
Maybe I am reading too much into this and putting too much faith into Clifford Ray but is it a coincidence that both Cousins and JT started playing on another level and Whiteside started getting more game time after Ray was hired as a big men coach?!

I am encouraged that Whiteside has been in Sacramento working out and I would be even more giddy about it if I knew that he was working out with Clifford Ray. There is no doubt that Whiteside has not answered any questions in the last 3 years and as you said some of it is his doing and some if just bad luck. However, his unteachable talent is so unique that we have to persist with it provided that Whiteside is willing to put in the work and all reports are that he is. You just have to look at him at draft night and now to see that he has obviously worked on getting bigger and stronger.

I would just like to see him focus on doing the things that he is good at (protecting the rim and rebounding) and not worry about the rest of it too much (scoring). Once he gets to the point where he is consistently brings the things he is good at, then you start introducing the rest of the things into his game.

He is long, athletic, mobile and on paper a perfect player you want next to Cousins. If Whiteside can develop into a 25mpg 7/7/3 type guy we would be absolutely set. Those numbers are modest and he can be a lot more than that but I would settle for consistent 10-15mpg this season with some shot blocking. He is raw as hell but it is not far fetched to say that he is potentially a better shot blocker than Ibaka and that is saying something about just how scary good a shot blocker this kid can be. Lets just hope he puts in the right work and puts it together for us. I would hate to see us give up on him only to see him flourish on some other team.

Unique talent that Whiteside has cannot be taught or developed, its something that you are born with. The length, quick jumping and exceptional timing.
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This is an excellent post. I agree with all of this. I even bolded the lines I'm passionate about. I have a lot of faith in Whiteside. He seems to be putting in the effort to get better, and considering how raw he was I expected him to take 3-4 years before he could contribute at a high level. As many have pointed out numerous times, bigs take longer to develop. If you have the patience to develop them, you will be heavily rewarded.

I would love to see Whiteside get 4th big minutes this year provided he shows well in summer league. I think getting 10 minutes a night would bode well for him going forward and having 3 very solid bigs in front of him will make up for some of his deficiencies. If Whiteside progresses enough in the next year or two, it makes Thompson or Robinson expendable. I'm sure we could get a solid player (possibly our SF of the future?) for Thompson. He just got signed to a very long deal at a reasonable price which should make him even more valuable. This is all best case scenario of course, but if Whiteside is able to develop into the player we want him too, it should make it much easier to fill out our roster with the players we need.
 
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rainmaker said:
Watch them get Scola as well. Plenty of room to bid enough for him, especially if they won the bidding process on Brand for about 2M. We don't need Scola, but it's jsut evidence of how bad picking up Outlaw was. I hated it the second it happened.

But, I'll remind everyone we're supposedly working on two trades right now. That's most likely where our SF will come from.
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Come again? Any details?
 
What would you guys say if one of the two deals that was being worked on was Tyreke for Rondo? I would be split just because of what Evans may achieve, but Rondo has already proven himself to be a great PG that plays good defense, but like Tyreke, cannot shoot.
 
Sac.Kings said:
What would you guys say if one of the two deals that was being worked on was Tyreke for Rondo? I would be split just because of what Evans may achieve, but Rondo has already proven himself to be a great PG that plays good defense, but like Tyreke, cannot shoot.
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As reports contiue to trickle out I also am beginning to believe he might also possibly be the single most cancerous personality in the NBA. Cousins could end up choke slamming him before the end of training camp.

The other thing is that Rondo doesn't cost you Reke. He costs you both Reke and IT. Both Rondo and IT are too small to play minutes together. So it makes IT a 12-15 min a night backup.
 
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Bricklayer said:
As reports contiue to trickle out I also am beginning to beleive he might also possibly be the single most cancerous personality in the NBA. Cousins coudl end up choke slamming him before the end of training camp.

The other thing is that Rondo doesn't cost you Reke. He costs you both Reke and IT, both rondo and IT are too small to play minutes together. So it makes IT a 12-15 min a night backup.
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Well the Kings certainly have not been afraid to take chances on questionable personalities before, but I think with Cousins and now Robinson, perhaps his ego and personality can be somewhat toned down. I honestly don't care too much about what would happen to IT in any scenario. In spot up minutes, sure IT could back up Rondo, or maybe we can try to package IT for a SF. Its a complicated matter maybe that is where the second trade would come into play.
 
Sac.Kings said:
Well the Kings certainly have not been afraid to take chances on questionable personalities before, but I think with Cousins and now Robinson, perhaps his ego and personality can be somewhat toned down. I honestly don't care too much about what would happen to IT in any scenario. In spot up minutes, sure IT could back up Rondo, or maybe we can try to package IT for a SF. Its a complicated matter maybe that is where the second trade would come into play.
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If you have a strong team identity, you can take a chance with a questionable personality. In the case of the Kings, there is a strong possibility bringing someone like Rondo into the mix might be the final straw that causes the whole team to explode and actually refuse to play with each other. I agree with Brickie - Cousins might kill him.
 
I don't buy the Rondo as a cancer talk. I think Rondo is more a case of having a personality not found in pro sports that often. Off the court, that may mean he doesn't fit in well, but he always fits in on the court. He plays hard for every minute and gets his teammates involved.

To make a Kings of the past comparison, when Tariq Abdul-Wahad was traded away, there was talk he didn't meld well with his teammates and was somewhat isolated from them. This doesn't mean Tariq was a cancer, but that he had interests that weren't common amongst his teammates. He wanted to go to art museums and discuss his interests, but that didn't match up with the average player on the team. The bigger issue with Tariq was that he couldn't shoot and it that didn't work in the Princeton offense. Rondo works on the floor. He is the heart and engine of a Celtics team that isn't all that talented and is hampered by age and injuries, and yet still makes it to the EC Finals.
 
Like many, I have been following the whole Dwight Howard saga and the recent development with Houston. Morey is determined to get the superstar even if Dwight won't commit long term and is willing to give up anyone and everyone to get it done.

Fact is they have just traded Lowry, lost Dragic to Phoenix and all the reports indicate that the Knicks will match offer they gave to Linsanity (they might wait 3 days to make Houston sweat a bit). Bottom line is that they will be in desperate need of a PG to run the ship which brings me to my question.

How would the masses feel if we traded Isaiah Thomas for Chandler Parsons?! The reasoning for both teams is there. I like IT and see him as a Bobby Jackson type player but I am not convinced that he is a starter for us in the long term. We still have some $6 million under the cap which would allow us to trade for or sign a replacement PG and in Parsons we finally get a good SF prospect that we can bring in and who can grow with the rest of the team. Parsons is a full sized SF with defensive potential and nice offensive game.

From Houston's perspective, if they are taking on all those bad contracts, they need to get cheap players that can actually play. They love Parsons but they have a potential replacement in White and if they trade for Dwight will have Hedo at that position. Howard needs a good PG to be at his most effective and Houston have none. They need a cheap one that can play until these bad deals run out and they can make a splash in FA at which point IT becomes a great little player off the bench.

Its one of those deals that could really work out well for both teams in the long run without costing either team a fortune. You basically switch players of similar talent but different position to address the need.
 
Uh if you trade IT for Parsons then you're severely lacking at PG. Like you said, most of the decent PG options are now gone. Makes no sense to me. I like the mad chicken though.
 
swisshh said:
Uh if you trade IT for Parsons then you're severely lacking at PG. Like you said, most of the decent PG options are now gone. Makes no sense to me. I like the mad chicken though.
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There is still Aaron Brooks! :p

Seriously, there are still PGs out there that would be available via trade that can come in and do the job for us. Just of the top off my head we can bring Beno back (expiring deal) for say Garcia or something like that and still be better off with a more balanced team.

There are PGs out there that would be available via trade who are at least as good as if not better than IT.
 
Čarolija said:
Like many, I have been following the whole Dwight Howard saga and the recent development with Houston. Morey is determined to get the superstar even if Dwight won't commit long term and is willing to give up anyone and everyone to get it done.

Fact is they have just traded Lowry, lost Dragic to Phoenix and all the reports indicate that the Knicks will match offer they gave to Linsanity (they might wait 3 days to make Houston sweat a bit). Bottom line is that they will be in desperate need of a PG to run the ship which brings me to my question.

How would the masses feel if we traded Isaiah Thomas for Chandler Parsons?! The reasoning for both teams is there. I like IT and see him as a Bobby Jackson type player but I am not convinced that he is a starter for us in the long term. We still have some $6 million under the cap which would allow us to trade for or sign a replacement PG and in Parsons we finally get a good SF prospect that we can bring in and who can grow with the rest of the team. Parsons is a full sized SF with defensive potential and nice offensive game.

From Houston's perspective, if they are taking on all those bad contracts, they need to get cheap players that can actually play. They love Parsons but they have a potential replacement in White and if they trade for Dwight will have Hedo at that position. Howard needs a good PG to be at his most effective and Houston have none. They need a cheap one that can play until these bad deals run out and they can make a splash in FA at which point IT becomes a great little player off the bench.

Its one of those deals that could really work out well for both teams in the long run without costing either team a fortune. You basically switch players of similar talent but different position to address the need.
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Those reports were based on Lin's original offer though. Houston upped the offer by 5 or 6 million I think. I still think the Knicks match though. I can see Houston missing out on Howard and settling for a much lesser player.
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
Jose Calderon is also available. I think he can be effective especially in a bench role. He likes to start, though.
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The thing is that the whole reason he is asking for a trade is because Lowry was brought in to replace him as a starter. Not entirely sure he wouldn't start for us though. He's a one man defense wrecker, but he can shoot without taking up shots, and pass the ball to better scorers without too much complaint or feeling that it is taking from his game.
 
Čarolija said:
How would the masses feel if we traded Isaiah Thomas for Chandler Parsons?! .....................................................................................................
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Its one of those deals that could really work out well for both teams in the long run without costing either team a fortune. You basically switch players of similar talent but different position to address the need.
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This I think is what should happen. Without IT, Smart will be forced not to play super smallball and hopefully we get a decent SF in Parsons without spending that much.
 
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Čarolija said:
Maybe I am reading too much into this and putting too much faith into Clifford Ray but is it a coincidence that both Cousins and JT started playing on another level and Whiteside started getting more game time after Ray was hired as a big men coach?!

I am encouraged that Whiteside has been in Sacramento working out and I would be even more giddy about it if I knew that he was working out with Clifford Ray. There is no doubt that Whiteside has not answered any questions in the last 3 years and as you said some of it is his doing and some if just bad luck.
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Whiteside was drafted the same year as Cousins. Theyve been in the league for 2 years. Just wanted to clarify that. Im on team Whiteside. He needs to be thrown in to the fire, give him 15mpg for a year. It makes all the sense in the world. To say that Whiteside isnt capable of playing for a 20-25 win team with no shot blocking is laughable.
 
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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
More amnesty scuttle: I'm told Charlotte, New Orleans and Sacramento all have levels of Scola interest and weighing whether to lodge bids


Might make sense, if TRob is more of a SF than PF. Will find out by tomorrow night.
 
rainmaker said:
Watch them get Scola as well. Plenty of room to bid enough for him, especially if they won the bidding process on Brand for about 2M. We don't need Scola, but it's jsut evidence of how bad picking up Outlaw was. I hated it the second it happened.
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I'm confused -
How did picking up Outlaw stop the Kings from making a play for Scola and Brand?

Unless I'm missing the events, signing JT is the one who stopped it.
 
sigh, yes it makes a lot more sense if TRob is more of a SF. I'd briong him off the bench for bench post scoring we did not have last year.

On the other hand a non-defending non-rebounding guy who needs his shots makes just about the LEAST sense you can find for our frontcourt. But that would be Geoff Petrie for you. "Skill" players at all times, with the sad myopia that skill = offense. The idea that there is only one basketball and a certain number of shots never seems to have penetrated his head.
 
IfAt1st said:
I'm confused -
How did picking up Outlaw stop the Kings from making a play for Scola and Brand?

Unless I'm missing the events, signing JT is the one who stopped it.
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It didn't. My point was what is better value, 2M for Brand, or 3M for Outlaw? Dal getting Brand for 2M shows how bad a 3M bid for Outlaw was, value wise.

I don't really want Scola, but if TRob is more of a SF then I can see Petrie's thinking, although I may not agree with it. We're extremely short up front if TRob plays more as a SF. I agree with Brick we'd be stacking too many offensive players. Wasn't Kerr just ripping Petrie last night for stacking talent which doesn't fit? This would be more of that imo. WOuld be a good locker room guy though.
 
Bricklayer said:
sigh, yes it makes a lot more sense if TRob is more of a SF. I'd briong him off the bench for bench post scoring we did not have last year.

On the other hand a non-defending non-rebounding guy who needs his shots makes just about the LEAST sense you can find for our frontcourt. But that would be Geoff Petrie for you. "Skill" players at all times, with the sad myopia that skill = offense. The idea that there is only one basketball and a certain number of shots never seems to have penetrated his head.
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Unfortunately, other than Cousins, the last 3-4 years we've been drafting/trading/signing players that are the cheapest or BPA, without thinking about how they'd fit before hand. So the Scola bid only makes more and more sense (in their minds).
 
I can't believe we didn't get involved in the Korver conversation.

maybe we did who knows... still, for a second round pick.... come on.
 
I'd love to pick up Scola.

JT could be the sub at the 5 and ThRob could be the sub at the 4 until he is ready.

And to those saying that ThRob is a SF.... you need to have your heads examined. Talk about an overreaction to his game last night.
 
I'd be fine with Scola, although I doubt we get him. Any time you get a chance to add a QUALITY starting player to your team for cheap, I say take it. Stockpiling assets is never really a bad thing. Everyone here is saying TRob won't get much time if Scola comes here, yet everyone also wants to add a shot blocking big to the mix. If we add a shot blocker to the mix (which I 100% agree with BTW) then we still have a 4-player rotation of Cousins, JT, Robinson, and Mr.X, so something has to give either way. The way I look at it, if we sign Scola then we disregard the shot blocker. I don't agree with it, but we could do a lot worse than Scola.
 
xyrin said:
I'd love to pick up Scola.

JT could be the sub at the 5 and ThRob could be the sub at the 4 until he is ready.

And to those saying that ThRob is a SF.... you need to have your heads examined. Talk about an overreaction to his game last night.
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Cousins/Scola starting 1) drains even more shots that cannot be drained from the starters, and 2) is by far and away the worst defensive frontcourt in the NBA. It is an absolutely terrible fit. If we get him, make him bench firepower. Do some reasonable team building for once.

Adding Luis Scola to the starting lineup and in the process making Isaiah Thomas, Tyreke Evans (or Marcus Thornton for one of them) and DeMarcus Cousins lesser threats in the process, while actually LOSING defense and rebounding from a team last year that was dead last in defense...that's crazy talk.
 
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