Rudy Gay

[SacKings7]

This is one player that I don't hear much talk of us getting anymore, but I'd really like us to go after this guy since I'm pretty certain we're not getting a LeBron or Bosh type player. I know we have a ton of wing players already, but Gay has been very impressive in the games I've seen him (which admittedly isn't too many).

He is a restricted free agent though, so that might make landing him difficult unless we do a sign-and-trade

 

[bajaden]

This is one player that I don't hear much talk of us getting anymore, but I'd really like us to go after this guy since I'm pretty certain we're not getting a LeBron or Bosh type player. I know we have a ton of wing players already, but Gay has been very impressive in the games I've seen him (which admittedly isn't too many).

He is a restricted free agent though, so that might make landing him difficult unless we do a sign-and-trade

It was reported in the Memphis newspapers this morning that the Grizz are concerned about another team making a bid for Gay that they won't want to match. So the possiblilty of a sign and trade came up. I'm just speculating, but they obviously would be looking for a replacement, for less money in return. That would require the other team to have a young SF with upside, and the ability to absorb the salary difference.

The Kings of course would be able to offer either Casspi or Greene, and they do have the ability to absorb the difference in salaries. I'm by no means advocating that the Kings do this. I'm not sure that I would do it. I'm just pointing out that it might be possible.

 

[CaAllDay]

Gay is a player who can become a true star in the league, an elite type player he will want that money. Kings wont pay that, if u can pull a s/t for a reasonable amount then maybe. Kings will not break out the checkbook this year, Draft pick and maybe a bench player from f/a.

 

[mr. moustache]

cisco + either casspi or greene might make a tiny bit of sense to both teams. Gay's young, so I'd be fine if we signed him for under 11m a year or so. I'm also happy with our current sf situation.

 

[LPKingsFan]

If we can't land a LeBron or Bosh (which we can't) then I'm content to sit on the money and wait another year, improving through the draft, player development, and possible trades. I'd rather wait and sign someone who will be a good investment (and I think Gay will be overpriced if we're going to be able to acquire him) instead of spending money just because we have it.

 

[Widowmaker2k]

I'd rather just give the minutes to Donte and see what becomes of him. He's as talented as Gay, he just has to straighten his head out a bit. We've brought this up in a lot of threads, but with all the teams that are able to hand out max contracts, and only a few players actually deserving of said contracts, a lot of players are going to get overpaid this off season. I hope we don't fall for it.

 

[joemama]

Bosh is looking for Sign and Trade

it came out today that Chris Bosh is looking for a sign and trade, so try to keep the negative (oh we aren't going to get anybody boo hoo hoo) attitude

 

[Capt. Factorial]

it came out today that Chris Bosh is looking for a sign and trade, so try to keep the negative (oh we aren't going to get anybody boo hoo hoo) attitude

New York and Miami weep.

 

[Bricklayer]

New York and Miami weep.

Well perhaps -- I cannot fathom why Bosh would come out saying he wants a sign and trade in a year when half the teams can sign him outright, unless it be him just wanting that extra year of guaranteed money even if he goes to a team uner the cap. Or I suppose unless he has a specific target in mind.

 

[SacKings7]

it came out today that Chris Bosh is looking for a sign and trade, so try to keep the negative (oh we aren't going to get anybody boo hoo hoo) attitude

Link???

 

[DoDiGaG0]

Gay is a player who can become a true star in the league, an elite type player he will want that money. Kings wont pay that, if u can pull a s/t for a reasonable amount then maybe. Kings will not break out the checkbook this year, Draft pick and maybe a bench player from f/a.

He will probably land a max contract with a team that has a lot vested into FA

ie: The Knicks if they miss out on Bosh,James, and Wade

 

[Bart-Poland]

I really like this guy, I hope that one day He will wearing Kings jersey

 

[Larry David]

Well perhaps -- I cannot fathom why Bosh would come out saying he wants a sign and trade in a year when half the teams can sign him outright, unless it be him just wanting that extra year of guaranteed money even if he goes to a team uner the cap. Or I suppose unless he has a specific target in mind.

It works out to be about 30 million dollar difference. With the new CBA looming, no lock to get it back on an extension with the new team. Any max guy looking to leave would rather go that way.

I'm willing to bet Bosh picks his team and then puts gun to teams head to force a sign and trade. Tor GM probably does it to help save his job for a while.

The Houston GM said as much after the KMart trade ... if a top guy moves it's probably in a sign and trade.

 

[bajaden]

Well perhaps -- I cannot fathom why Bosh would come out saying he wants a sign and trade in a year when half the teams can sign him outright, unless it be him just wanting that extra year of guaranteed money even if he goes to a team uner the cap. Or I suppose unless he has a specific target in mind.

I don't see this happening, but its been rumored that he would love to play for the Lakers (whats new). So I think you nailed it when you said unless he has a certain team targeted, and one with no cap space.

 

[bajaden]

It works out to be about 30 million dollar difference. With the new CBA looming, no lock to get it back on an extension with the new team. Any max guy looking to leave would rather go that way.

I'm willing to bet Bosh picks his team and then puts gun to teams head to force a sign and trade. Tor GM probably does it to help save his job for a while.

The Houston GM said as much after the KMart trade ... if a top guy moves it's probably in a sign and trade.

Thats what I've been trying to say for a while now. Everyone assumes that all the top freeagents are going to go to a team with the cap space to support the move. But what if the team the player wants to go to doesn't have sufficient cap space. Then a sign and trade is the only way to make it happen. Which should make Toronto happy. I'm sure they would much rather deal with a team with talent, like the Lakers than the Knicks, who have very little to offer.

 

[Emma]

it came out today that Chris Bosh is looking for a sign and trade, so try to keep the negative (oh we aren't going to get anybody boo hoo hoo) attitude

AAAaaaand the fakers score again. I predict Bosh goes to L.A. for Bynum & a chump.

 

[kennadog]

I don't see this happening, but its been rumored that he would love to play for the Lakers (whats new). So I think you nailed it when you said unless he has a certain team targeted, and one with no cap space.

Have I ever said how much I hate the Lakers?

 

[Emma]

As far as pertinent info regarding the topic of this thread...

I like Rudy Gay. I think any backcourt of these three:

Wall / Evans / Gay

or

Evans / Turner / Gay

or (worst case - best defensively though)

Evans / Wesley Johnson / Gay

Would be flippin' awesome. And if it's a S&T, we could still have money to throw a ludicrous offer at a quality C.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Evans/Turner/Gay/Landry/FA C
Beno/Garcia/Greene/Thompson/Hawes

I left Omri out because Im just assuming we traded him for Gay.
Our 1,2,3 positions would be rediculous. 4 possible stars on the wing. The only downfall would be the three point shooting. Someone on that starting Lineup would have to increase their 3P% dramatically.
Landrys rebounding wouldnt be that big of a problem because our 1,2 & 3 + FA C would be great rebounders .

I like that squad.

 

[bajaden]

Have I ever said how much I hate the Lakers?

I think you mentioned it over a beer in the ESPN bar. We almost had to restrain you..

 

[bajaden]

Evans/Turner/Gay/Landry/FA C
Beno/Garcia/Greene/Thompson/Hawes

I left Omri out because Im just assuming we traded him for Gay.
Our 1,2,3 positions would be rediculous. 4 possible stars on the wing. The only downfall would be the three point shooting. Someone on that starting Lineup would have to increase their 3P% dramatically.
Landrys rebounding wouldnt be that big of a problem because our 1,2 & 3 + FA C would be great rebounders .

I like that squad.

If you were to start Thompson at center instead of Hawes, then you solve some of the rebounding problem. The three point shooting is a seperate issue though. One of the reasons we don't run the Princeton offense is because that offense requires almost on the floor to be a good outside shooter. Thats why when you look back on the Kings of old with Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie and Bibby, you couldn't leave any of them open. As a result, the Princeton offense worked very well.

But right now, the Kings really don't have anyone that I would call a consistent three pt shooter. Greene certainly shows promise, and Cisco, when healthy, is fairly solid. And I'm holding out hope that Casspi returns to early season form. One thing I would like the Kings to do is run more pick and rolls. I see no reason why Evans and Landry, or Evans and Thompson couldn't be effective at the pick and roll. Thompson and Landry both have the 15 to 18 foot shot, and both are quick and athletic enough to go to the basket. I noticed they experimented with it a little with Thompson and Evans on the right wing instead of the top of the key. I suspect it was to get Thompson a little closer to the basket. But it worked fairly well.

If you watched any of the Suns/Spurs games, the Suns pick and rolled the Spurs to death. It was facinating to watch. The Spurs knew exactly what the Suns were going to run and they couldn't stop it. You could see the frustration on Duncan face. Its a great halfcourt weapon if you have the players to run it.

 

[Bricklayer]

If you were to start Thompson at center instead of Hawes, then you solve some of the rebounding problem. The three point shooting is a seperate issue though. One of the reasons we don't run the Princeton offense is because that offense requires almost on the floor to be a good outside shooter. Thats why when you look back on the Kings of old with Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie and Bibby, you couldn't leave any of them open. As a result, the Princeton offense worked very well.

But right now, the Kings really don't have anyone that I would call a consistent three pt shooter. Greene certainly shows promise, and Cisco, when healthy, is fairly solid. And I'm holding out hope that Casspi returns to early season form. One thing I would like the Kings to do is run more pick and rolls. I see no reason why Evans and Landry, or Evans and Thompson couldn't be effective at the pick and roll. Thompson and Landry both have the 15 to 18 foot shot, and both are quick and athletic enough to go to the basket. I noticed they experimented with it a little with Thompson and Evans on the right wing instead of the top of the key. I suspect it was to get Thompson a little closer to the basket. But it worked fairly well.

If you watched any of the Suns/Spurs games, the Suns pick and rolled the Spurs to death. It was facinating to watch. The Spurs knew exactly what the Suns were going to run and they couldn't stop it. You could see the frustration on Duncan face. Its a great halfcourt weapon if you have the players to run it.

We only somehwat do at this point -- Beno can run it. But the guard in that play has to be able to shoot as a rule, and that's Reke's weakness. He and Hawes run a pretty good one up top, but I haven;t seen anything much on the wings, and he and Landry were on entirely different pages on that play after the trade.

 

[bajaden]

Getting back to Gay. In a sign and trade, I'm sure Gay would want the max he can get in order to agree. As a three year player, and with the cap projected to be around 56 mil, his max salary would be right at 14 mil. Maybe a tad under. Its been suggested that Casspi be the player in return. I'm sure they would want either Casspi or Greene. Their salaries are very close, so lets use Casspi. He's due to make $1,254,480.00. Thats a tad less then the 14 mil Gay would be making.

Now while its true that the Kings have the cap space to absorb that salary, the question is, is Gay worth over half of our cap space? Not saying he's not. I'm just asking. A better scenario, maybe not for Memphis but for us, would be to include Nocioni in the deal. That way they get an experienced SF, along with their SF of the future. Noc is due $6,850,000.00 next season. If Memphis would do this deal that would only leave the Kings absorbing an additional $5,895,520.00. Which would still leave the Kings with around 17 mil in cap space to work with.

I don't see why Memphis would do this deal, but who knows?

 

[OptimusRhyme]

If you were to start Thompson at center instead of Hawes, then you solve some of the rebounding problem. The three point shooting is a seperate issue though. One of the reasons we don't run the Princeton offense is because that offense requires almost on the floor to be a good outside shooter. Thats why when you look back on the Kings of old with Vlade, Webber, Peja, Christie and Bibby, you couldn't leave any of them open. As a result, the Princeton offense worked very well.

But right now, the Kings really don't have anyone that I would call a consistent three pt shooter. Greene certainly shows promise, and Cisco, when healthy, is fairly solid. And I'm holding out hope that Casspi returns to early season form. One thing I would like the Kings to do is run more pick and rolls. I see no reason why Evans and Landry, or Evans and Thompson couldn't be effective at the pick and roll. Thompson and Landry both have the 15 to 18 foot shot, and both are quick and athletic enough to go to the basket. I noticed they experimented with it a little with Thompson and Evans on the right wing instead of the top of the key. I suspect it was to get Thompson a little closer to the basket. But it worked fairly well.

If you watched any of the Suns/Spurs games, the Suns pick and rolled the Spurs to death. It was facinating to watch. The Spurs knew exactly what the Suns were going to run and they couldn't stop it. You could see the frustration on Duncan face. Its a great halfcourt weapon if you have the players to run it.

I like Thompson but I dunno as a starter???... if we wanted to contend with Thompson at C he would REALLY have to improve his basketball IQ/Defense. The league is kinda short on good Centers right now so we MIGHT be able to pull it off. But we would be in trouble when we run into Bynum and Howard. (who wouldnt tho). I just view Thompsons game as a 20-25 minute hustle knock down open J bench player. I dunno why but as of right now thats what he is.

I think Turner could end up being a 37-39% 3pt shooter, his forms good just shoots flat sometimes... Gay could probably raise his percentage too. With Tyreke I just dont know whats going to happen with his LONG range shot, prolly low 30's his whole career.but who knows?. Casspi and Greene certainly have the potential to be high % bombers.. oh how i miss the days of peja running off screens and drilling 28 footers.. But we really would need that ONE consistent threat on the starting lineup to spread the floor for rekes driving.

I agree with your views on the pick and roll. It all comes down to Tyreke tho. His pick and roll offense is pretty poor as of right now. I hated seein him miss Landry time and again last year on the roll.. But whatever Reke will learn.
All Landry ran in houston was Pick and Rolls, so I think he could be a deadly threat if used that way. Thompson aswell as long as he can keep that shot going consistenly.

But honestly I dont think Thompson would cut it as a 35+ minute Center on a contending team. who knows tho.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

Gay is a nice young player. But @ max... I'll pass. If he somehow accepts $8-$9million then it might be worth it. But I don't see the Grizz not keeping him at $8-$9 mil.

 

[SacKings7]

Getting back to Gay. In a sign and trade, I'm sure Gay would want the max he can get in order to agree. As a three year player, and with the cap projected to be around 56 mil, his max salary would be right at 14 mil. Maybe a tad under. Its been suggested that Casspi be the player in return. I'm sure they would want either Casspi or Greene. Their salaries are very close, so lets use Casspi. He's due to make $1,254,480.00. Thats a tad less then the 14 mil Gay would be making.

Now while its true that the Kings have the cap space to absorb that salary, the question is, is Gay worth over half of our cap space? Not saying he's not. I'm just asking. A better scenario, maybe not for Memphis but for us, would be to include Nocioni in the deal. That way they get an experienced SF, along with their SF of the future. Noc is due $6,850,000.00 next season. If Memphis would do this deal that would only leave the Kings absorbing an additional $5,895,520.00. Which would still leave the Kings with around 17 mil in cap space to work with.

I don't see why Memphis would do this deal, but who knows?

IF Memphis were to agree to that trade (heck, maybe throw in a couple of 2nd rounders or something) then I think the Kings have to go for it. Losing 1 of our 2 young SF's + the player everyone seems to want gone in Nocioni for Gay and STILL have 17 million to spend...I think that's a no brainer personally

 

[Bricklayer]

IF Memphis were to agree to that trade (heck, maybe throw in a couple of 2nd rounders or something) then I think the Kings have to go for it. Losing 1 of our 2 young SF's + the player everyone seems to want gone in Nocioni for Gay and STILL have 17 million to spend...I think that's a no brainer personally

You think its a no brainer to pay 14mil a year to a 19-20ppg scorer at one of the less important positions?

And I generally like Rudy Gay.

 

[Superman]

We only somehwat do at this point -- Beno can run it. But the guard in that play has to be able to shoot as a rule, and that's Reke's weakness. He and Hawes run a pretty good one up top, but I haven;t seen anything much on the wings, and he and Landry were on entirely different pages on that play after the trade.

It really should be Beno and Landry, because of Carl's athleticism and ability to shoot, and obviously, Beno's shooting. Hopefully they'll get it together.

 

[SacKings7]

You think its a no brainer to pay 14mil a year to a 19-20ppg scorer at one of the less important positions?

And I generally like Rudy Gay.

Maybe not 14, no. But 11 or maybe 12, then sure. But I really like his game

 

[Superman]

Say we add Rudy Gay as a starter, plus a high draft pick, and firm up our rotation. What's our ceiling? 40 wins? And now we're paying him $50+ million over the next five years, and we're still a lottery team? These B-level players are who you go after or trade for when you're a contender already, not when you're trying to build a contender from scratch.