Rudy Gay expresses his frustration

One other point is that the Kings have two other veteran SF's on the roster and one of them has recent history with Coach Joerger.
 
King Baller said:
Rudy Gay is an incredibly gifted professional athlete scheduled to earn 13.3 million dollars next season. I'm sure the struggle is real not knowing what city he gets traded to. But it is part of the territory and the primary reason I pass no judgement when a player opts to changes cities like Durant did once he becomes a Free Agent. Rudy just has to tough it out one season on 13.3 million and then he will also be a Free Agent:)
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I mean no disrespect to Rudy, but boy would I love to tough it out on 13 mil. Gotta be a *****.

LOL, I guess I should have said female dog.
 
bajaden said:
I mean no disrespect to Rudy, but boy would I love to tough it out on 13 mil. Gotta be a *****.

LOL, I guess I should have said female dog.
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There's a lot of people in this world that would have many issues resolved with 13 million in 1 year. Money isn't everything, but it certainly is a vital part to being able to live, at least in the world we find ourselves in today.

Rudy needs to relax and calm down. If you want out, then you'll get out, but you are not the 1st priority here, the team/organization is. When a good deal is struck, you will be gone and you can take that sour attitude with you. Maybe if you showed some heart last season, we could get some more interest for you, but you played heartless basketball and this is what you get now. Tough luck. Also, that interview that you pulled only further delayed your chances of being traded earlier, essentially admitting you want out and sinking your value to an all time low. Thanks!
 
King Baller said:
Wow....somehow you make 1+1=47:D:D:D
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Get a clue bro. 1 + 1 = 2. Why are Rudy and Boogie NOT on the same page? Their games don't complement and/or their personalities don't complement. Its pretty obvious. my friend. Wake up to the writing on the wall. If Boogie and Rudy were sympatico, Rudy would not be taking the position he has taken. Period.
 
Blob said:
Get a clue bro. 1 + 1 = 2. Why are Rudy and Boogie NOT on the same page? Their games don't complement and/or their personalities don't complement. Its pretty obvious. my friend. Wake up to the writing on the wall. If Boogie and Rudy were sympatico, Rudy would not be taking the position he has taken. Period.
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Fully awake here Dr. Blob. Somehow I think Boogie and Rudy would have no problem playing together for Coach Joerger if that is how it works out. I do suspect Rudy would like to be traded to a contender. But Rudy is under contract to the Kings for 13.3 Million. So Vlade's job is to do what is in the Kings best interest and that does not include giving players updates on all potential trades.

My point was you were making statements like you could read there freaking minds:)
 
Blob said:
Get a clue bro. 1 + 1 = 2. Why are Rudy and Boogie NOT on the same page? Their games don't complement and/or their personalities don't complement. Its pretty obvious. my friend. Wake up to the writing on the wall. If Boogie and Rudy were sympatico, Rudy would not be taking the position he has taken. Period.
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It is posts like this that show you don't have nearly the objective and rational analysis towards Cuz that you think you do. You have in the past made compelling arguments why it wasn't ALL Karl's fault what happened last year. But then you seem to follow it up by coming to the "conclusion" that if it wasn't Karl's fault it must be Cuz's fault (or at least that seems the gist of it).

Do I suspect that Rudy doesn't appreciate some of Cuz's antics on the court or at times in the locker room? Yes, I do. Do I think that is his primary reason for the position that he has taken? I don't know and doubt you truly do either. I do know that you don't have to be in lock-step with someone to appreciate that person's positives. The position he has taken could be as simple of him needing a change of scenery, or not.
 
bajaden said:
Hmm, interesting. I didn't see it exactly the way you did, but then that's what makes the world go around isn't it? I'm referring to your reference/inference in regards to Cousins. I took that reference as no more than pointing out that he and Cousins are two entirely different personality's, and nothing more. I try as best I can to listen to these interviews as objectively as I can. I don't know Rudy or the inter working's of his mind. But in almost every instance he has come across as very nice man with good intentions. Doesn't mean he's right, or wrong, but that on a personal level, I like him.

What I found most interesting was his comment about there still being time to fix some things. That led me to believe he still see's a problem somewhere. Whether it's how his role on the team is perceived, or whether it has to do with other players on the team, I don't know. He facial expression implied that he didn't like how he was used last season. ( I agree) Obviously, he was being as tactful as he could. He did seem to imply that his meeting with Vlade had resolved some issues, but not all. It didn't appear to me that any of his problems were with Vlade. I also found it interesting that he almost said the exact same thing that Cuz said, when it came to coaching and management. I let them do their job and I try to do mine. Not an exact quote, but close.

Overall, I got the impression that Rudy wouldn't mind moving on, but would give his all to the team if he isn't traded. That's all you can ever ask of a player. Just because a player doesn't want to be here doesn't mean it can't work. Webber didn't want to be here and that worked out great for the organization. Different situation, but none the less. Final note, he didn't seem to mind playing the PF position, and thought he was big enough to play there, but he didn't like how he was used at that position. So he had more of a problem with tactics than he did what position he played.

I think everyone agree's that Rudy had an off year last year. Now, looking back, knowing that he was battling some health issues, and also knowing that he didn't think he was being used properly, his off year makes more sense. At this point, I think it comes down to whether Vlade thinks Rudy is the best fit for the team going forward. If not, then it's likely Rudy will be traded. But Vlade is holding his cards close to his vest, and he's not going to give Rudy away. Personally, I would like to see Rudy here, but if not, I wish him the best of everything.
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Awesome post
 
whozit said:
It is posts like this that show you don't have nearly the objective and rational analysis towards Cuz that you think you do. You have in the past made compelling arguments why it wasn't ALL Karl's fault what happened last year. But then you seem to follow it up by coming to the "conclusion" that if it wasn't Karl's fault it must be Cuz's fault (or at least that seems the gist of it).

Do I suspect that Rudy doesn't appreciate some of Cuz's antics on the court or at times in the locker room? Yes, I do. Do I think that is his primary reason for the position that he has taken? I don't know and doubt you truly do either. I do know that you don't have to be in lock-step with someone to appreciate that person's positives. The position he has taken could be as simple of him needing a change of scenery, or not.
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My conclusion is rooted in clear-thinking rational deduction! Propose an alternate theory and I open to considerate it. The suggestion that he needs "a change of scenery" is not the least bit compelling or convincing. If he wants to move on to another city, after playing for 3 teams over the course of his career, there has to be a reason why.

Moving is a headache and a hassle if your family has established roots and grown to be part of the community.

If he wants out, there is more to it. And the more to it IMHO is a volatile and disruptive teammate who drains teammates mentally over one volatile outburst after another and detracts from the collective objective to win.

Rudy was asked pointedly what are the strengths of the team. He did NOT mention Boogie! He mentioned the young guys (Ben and Willie). Really? Ben and Willie?! Give me a friggin break!!!! Total underachiever #1 who flopped in his third season and a rookie that teammates passed to LESS than ANY player in the NBA?!?! Its almost a laughable answer when you have the best center in the game.

But his answer speaks volumes!!! The expected answer would be "Boogie...un-guard-able and dominant and gives us an advantage in the paint with his versatility size and strength and skill. Ride or die with Boogie!"

A lot of times I feel alone on the island of common sense. Anyone want to join? :D

Rudy either feels his game is NOT compatible with Boogie's, and indications are this is true, and/or that Boogie's professionalism is a barrier to what Rudy wants to achieve in his career. If I saw more cohesiveness between Rudy and Boogie on and off the court, I might arrive at a different conclusion, but as it stands, this conclusion is the only reasonable one.

The bottom line is if Boogie and Rudy developed genuine chemistry, as two talented players, on the court and off, Rudy would NOT want out. The degree to which both parties are accountable for this absence is a matter of debate, but I know who I hold primarily accountable.
 
King Baller said:
Fully awake here Dr. Blob. Somehow I think Boogie and Rudy would have no problem playing together for Coach Joerger if that is how it works out. I do suspect Rudy would like to be traded to a contender. But Rudy is under contract to the Kings for 13.3 Million. So Vlade's job is to do what is in the Kings best interest and that does not include giving players updates on all potential trades.

My point was you were making statements like you could read there freaking minds:)
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I don't need to reading their freaking minds. I make reasonable deductions. See above post.
 
Blob said:
My conclusion is rooted in clear-thinking rational deduction! Propose an alternate theory and I open to considerate it. The suggestion that he needs "a change of scenery" is not the least bit compelling or convincing. If he wants to move on to another city, after playing for 3 teams over the course of his career, there has to be a reason why.

Moving is a headache and a hassle if your family has established roots and grown to be part of the community.

If he wants out, there is more to it. And the more to it IMHO is a volatile and disruptive teammate who drains teammates mentally over one volatile outburst after another and detracts from the collective objective to win.

Rudy was asked pointedly what are the strengths of the team. He did NOT mention Boogie! He mentioned the young guys (Ben and Willie). Really? Ben and Willie?! Give me a friggin break!!!! Total underachiever #1 who flopped in his third season and a rookie that teammates passed to LESS than ANY player in the NBA?!?! Its almost a laughable answer when you have the best center in the game.

But his answer speaks volumes!!! The expected answer would be "Boogie...un-guard-able and dominant and gives us an advantage in the paint with his versatility size and strength and skill. Ride or die with Boogie!"

A lot of times I feel alone on the island of common sense. Anyone want to join? :D

Rudy either feels his game is NOT compatible with Boogie's, and indications are this is true, and/or that Boogie's professionalism is a barrier to what Rudy wants to achieve in his career. If I saw more cohesiveness between Rudy and Boogie on and off the court, I might arrive at a different conclusion, but as it stands, this conclusion is the only reasonable one.

The bottom line is if Boogie and Rudy developed genuine chemistry, as two talented players, on the court and off, Rudy would NOT want out. The degree to which both parties are accountable for this absence is a matter of debate, but I know who I hold primarily accountable.
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Blob said:
I don't need to reading their freaking minds. I make reasonable deductions. See above post.
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You make reasonable deductions based upon YOUR biases AND prejudices. We all have them and they do influence our perceptions.

Another possible guess and all we are doing is guessing what he may thinking. The team has been a cluster "Mess" for most of his time here. Boogie included. He is getting to the tail end of his career and he figures he won't be back when he opts out. Without a shocker the Kings will not be competing for anything more than a hope for the playoffs next year. He has plenty of reasons to want to leave now and have another team with his bird rights.

See my personal biases and prejudices based on life's experiences make it very easy for me to see how he can just simply be spent without anything "sinister." Me, I will take it at face value what he said and didn't say. The story was not about Cuz, it was about Rudy's camp with the focus on the youth. Might explain why he focused on the youth of the team when responding about the team's strength (I don't know). The one line about Cuz was a throw away line, stating that he wouldn't have outburst like that. Nothing more and nothing less. It is you who seems to want everything to start and stop at Cousins' feet. It IS NOT reasonable to make deductions with those type of blinders on or at least the deduction isn't reasonable.
 
whozit said:
You make reasonable deductions based upon YOUR biases AND prejudices. We all have them and they do influence our perceptions.

Another possible guess and all we are doing is guessing what he may thinking. The team has been a cluster "Mess" for most of his time here. Boogie included. He is getting to the tail end of his career and he figures he won't be back when he opts out. Without a shocker the Kings will not be competing for anything more than a hope for the playoffs next year. He has plenty of reasons to want to leave now and have another team with his bird rights.

See my personal biases and prejudices based on life's experiences make it very easy for me to see how he can just simply be spent without anything "sinister." Me, I will take it at face value what he said and didn't say. The story was not about Cuz, it was about Rudy's camp with the focus on the youth. Might explain why he focused on the youth of the team when responding about the team's strength (I don't know). The one line about Cuz was a throw away line, stating that he wouldn't have outburst like that. Nothing more and nothing less. It is you who seems to want everything to start and stop at Cousins' feet. It IS NOT reasonable to make deductions with those type of blinders on or at least the deduction isn't reasonable.
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If you were taking an exam and the prize for being right was significant, and on a preponderance of the evidence we have to work with - and in particular this videotaped interview between Rudy and Sean Cunningham - in addition to your own observations of body language and quitting on the court last year (taking whole quarters and halves off at a time) - and a local writer (unpopular as she may be) on record many times that Rudy has requested a trade and does not like playing with Cuz - and Rudy's own specific reply when asked about demanding a trade "I haven't personally requested a trade" ... and all the other data points you have to work with... and you have to mark your answer either "more likely Rudy & Cuz are cool" or "more likely Rudy & Cuz are NOT cool"....

I mean come on.
 
John Galt said:
If you were taking an exam and the prize for being right was significant, and on a preponderance of the evidence we have to work with - and in particular this videotaped interview between Rudy and Sean Cunningham - in addition to your own observations of body language and quitting on the court last year (taking whole quarters and halves off at a time) - and a local writer (unpopular as she may be) on record many times that Rudy has requested a trade and does not like playing with Cuz - and Rudy's own specific reply when asked about demanding a trade "I haven't personally requested a trade" ... and all the other data points you have to work with... and you have to mark your answer either "more likely Rudy & Cuz are cool" or "more likely Rudy & Cuz are NOT cool"....

I mean come on.
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According to James Ham (latest podcast), it doesn't have anything to do with not liking Cousins. It's that Gay doesn't feel that his game meshes well with Cousins game. And I think we all know who's style of play is most likely to be catered to at this point.
 
John Galt said:
If you were taking an exam and the prize for being right was significant, and on a preponderance of the evidence we have to work with - and in particular this videotaped interview between Rudy and Sean Cunningham - in addition to your own observations of body language and quitting on the court last year (taking whole quarters and halves off at a time) - and a local writer (unpopular as she may be) on record many times that Rudy has requested a trade and does not like playing with Cuz - and Rudy's own specific reply when asked about demanding a trade "I haven't personally requested a trade" ... and all the other data points you have to work with... and you have to mark your answer either "more likely Rudy & Cuz are cool" or "more likely Rudy & Cuz are NOT cool"....

I mean come on.
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Do you like everyone you work with? And despite that, do you still work with them? I work with some great people, but honestly there are those that I just don't work as well with as I can with others. Micromanage? We'll probably have a problem. Give me freedom and hold me accountable? We'll probably do well together.
 
I just listened to a cowbell kingdom piece that addressed Rudys recent comments. I would sure like to know what teams actually have interest in Rudy it would make trade speculation a lot more worthwhile.
Am I wrong to guess not many.
 
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