Rebounding

[Bricklayer]

Statistical look at our rebounding this year, vs. last year:

Returning players, per 48 min

Webber:
04/05: 14.6rebs
03/04: 11.6rebs
Change: +3.0

Miller:
04/05: 10.8
03/04: 13.6
Change: -2.8

Stojakovic:
04/05: 4.7
03/04: 7.0
Change: -2.3

Christie:
04/05: 5.4
03/04: 5.7
Change: -0.3

Bibby:
04/05: 5.7
03/04: 4.5
Change: +1.2

BJax:
04/05: 7.0
03/04: 7.0
Change: +0.0

Songaila:
04/05: 7.0
03/04: 11.1
Change: -4.1

Clearly its time for our white boys to come to the rebounding table.

Interesting factoid:

Kings Rebounds
04/05: 41.6 rebs/gm
03/04: 41.2 rebs/gm
Change: +0.4

Kings Opp Rebounds
04/05: 46.5 rebs/gm
03/04: 43.9 rebs/gm
Change: -2.6

the explanation: we are shooting worse, and defending better, than last year (shooting .433 this year, .462 last year, defending .438 this year, .454 last year) so there are more rebounds to be had. And they are all going to the opposing team.

 

[VF21]

The totals are almost the same:

04/05 = 25.4 rebs
03/04 = 25.2 rebs

I don't know what that means, since Webber was nowhere near 100% healthwise for those 03/04 stats.

 

[Bricklayer]

The totals are almost the same:

04/05 = 25.4 rebs
03/04 = 25.2 rebs

I don't know what that means, since Webber was nowhere near 100% healthwise for those 03/04 stats.

Sorry, still a work in progress -- I am still adding to it, just submitted early so I could test a couple of formatting ideas.

 

[VF21]

Oh, okay... never mind.

 

[Bricklayer]

Here's the other things about our rebounding:

The good: Brad Miller and Peja Stojakovic are both down about 2rebs/a game a piece from their efforts last year. If they were to do no more than match their rebounding from last year, we would make up most of the gap between us and our opponents and be a decent rebounding team

The bad: As it stands right now we are utterly dependant on one of the most fragile players in the NBA for survival on the boards. If our own Mr. Glass (ha, nick works both ways here ) goes down with another injury, could get ugly unless some people step it up big time.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Interesting factoid:

Kings Rebounds
04/05: 41.6 rebs/gm
03/04: 41.2 rebs/gm
Change: +0.4

Kings Opp Rebounds
04/05: 46.5 rebs/gm
03/04: 43.9 rebs/gm
Change: -2.6

the explanation: we are shooting worse, and defending better, than last year (shooting .433 this year, .462 last year, defending .438 this year, .454 last year) so there are more rebounds to be had. And they are all going to the opposing team.

This is precisely what I was alluding to in another thread: our on-the-ball defense isn't as bad as it may look on paper; it's the offensive rebounds that we don't get that makes the percentage look so lousy.

I wonder if there's any kind of site that lists stats like Opponents' FG% on First Shot Attempt (ie, pre-offensive rebound)?

 

[Stojakovic]

Peja is 6-10 and is averaging 4.7 rebounds per 48 mins ?

That has got to be some kind of record, Guinness style.

 

[ReinadelosReys]

Rebounding, like defense, is something that you have to want to do-and the Kings have to want it more because they aren't as gifted athletically to just jump over and higher than other people.

Its pretty amazing the way Webb gets these rebounds flat footed most of the time, but I guess it helps having magnet like hands. And its all about position, I guess.

Its one of those things that you have to stop talking about and just start doing, is my point I guess.

 

[quick dog]

I think you have to be somewhere near the basket to secure most rebounds. Not so? When the Kings occassionally listen to the coaches and place themselves in position to get rebounds, they get them. They need to be hypnotized or something.

Too bad that Kings manangement can't reduce their pay for not rebounding. If the "veteran's minimum" fee is about $12,000 per game, and guys like Webber make $150,000 per game, there ought to be some leverage. Oh wait, I forgot, these multi-millionares have a "players union" and bargaining agreements. The fact that there are "unionized", millionaire, professional athletes is the single greatest travesty on the planet. At least it is in the running.

Maybe there should be massive public ridicule for wussy, and or, lethargic behavior on th court. Oh wait, we tried that last year and Peja requested a trade.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Peja is 6-10 and is averaging 4.7 rebounds per 48 mins ?

That has got to be some kind of record, Guinness style.

Which is why I propose a new statsitic, RPI... rebounds per inch

Earl Boykins chance to measue up to Shaq so to speak.

 

[Ryle]

My whole problem with the Kings rebounding is that they don't even jump. So many times they get rebounds tipped away by more athletic players because they simply reach over their backs and tip the ball out to a teammate. If they would jump it would be a foul and more than likely their rebounding woes would be lessened.

Madsen is no more athletic than me and he rebounds because of effort....something the Kings lack.

 

[Alacron]

The most telling stat IMHO of a team's rebounding prowess is the percentage of available rebounds they actually grab. These numbers do not include "team rebounds." Here's how the numbers stack up thus far in 04-05:

Defensive Rebound % (Percentage of opponents' misses rebounded)
1. New York......77.48%
2. Denver........70.04
3. Golden State..69.93
4. Utah..........69.80
5. Milwaukee.....69.91
...
26. Washington...64.43
27. LA Clippers..63.88
28. Sacramento...63.03 (Change from last year: -2.90)
29. Phoenix......62.13
30. Toronto......61.97

Offensive Rebound % (Percentage of own misses rebounded)
1. Utah..........30.09%
2. Washington....30.00
3. San Antonio...29.83
4. Orlando.......29.81
5. Charlotte.....29.40
...
26. New Jersey...25.78
27. Indiana......25.13
28. Sacramento...24.31 (Change from last year: -0.30)
29. Boston.......23.84
30. Houston......21.22

Total Rebound % (Percentage of all misses rebounded)
1. Utah..........50.83%
2. New York......50.24
3. Minnesota.....49.14
4. San Antonio...48.94
5. Miami.........48.91
...
26. Atlanta......45.56
27. Chicago......45.51
28. Houston......44.74
29. Toronto......44.47
30. Sacramento...43.68 (Change from last year: -2.07)


Brad and Peja, I'm looking in your direction!
~~

 

[piksi]

The most telling stat IMHO of a team's rebounding prowess is the percentage of available rebounds they actually grab. These numbers do not include "team rebounds." Here's how the numbers stack up thus far in 04-05:

Defensive Rebound % (Percentage of opponents' misses rebounded)
1. New York......77.48%
2. Denver........70.04
3. Golden State..69.93
4. Utah..........69.80
5. Milwaukee.....69.91
...
26. Washington...64.43
27. LA Clippers..63.88
28. Sacramento...63.03 (Change from last year: -2.90)
29. Phoenix......62.13
30. Toronto......61.97

Offensive Rebound % (Percentage of own misses rebounded)
1. Utah..........30.09%
2. Washington....30.00
3. San Antonio...29.83
4. Orlando.......29.81
5. Charlotte.....29.40
...
26. New Jersey...25.78
27. Indiana......25.13
28. Sacramento...24.31 (Change from last year: -0.30)
29. Boston.......23.84
30. Houston......21.22

Total Rebound % (Percentage of all misses rebounded)
1. Utah..........50.83%
2. New York......50.24
3. Minnesota.....49.14
4. San Antonio...48.94
5. Miami.........48.91
...
26. Atlanta......45.56
27. Chicago......45.51
28. Houston......44.74
29. Toronto......44.47
30. Sacramento...43.68 (Change from last year: -2.07)


Brad and Peja, I'm looking in your direction!
~~

we knew that we suck now we have the stats to go along with it

 

[Deez]

The most telling stat IMHO of a team's rebounding prowess is the percentage of available rebounds they actually grab. These numbers do not include "team rebounds." Here's how the numbers stack up thus far in 04-05:

Defensive Rebound % (Percentage of opponents' misses rebounded)
1. New York......77.48%
2. Denver........70.04
3. Golden State..69.93
4. Utah..........69.80
5. Milwaukee.....69.91
...
26. Washington...64.43
27. LA Clippers..63.88
28. Sacramento...63.03 (Change from last year: -2.90)
29. Phoenix......62.13
30. Toronto......61.97

Offensive Rebound % (Percentage of own misses rebounded)
1. Utah..........30.09%
2. Washington....30.00
3. San Antonio...29.83
4. Orlando.......29.81
5. Charlotte.....29.40
...
26. New Jersey...25.78
27. Indiana......25.13
28. Sacramento...24.31 (Change from last year: -0.30)
29. Boston.......23.84
30. Houston......21.22

Total Rebound % (Percentage of all misses rebounded)
1. Utah..........50.83%
2. New York......50.24
3. Minnesota.....49.14
4. San Antonio...48.94
5. Miami.........48.91
...
26. Atlanta......45.56
27. Chicago......45.51
28. Houston......44.74
29. Toronto......44.47
30. Sacramento...43.68 (Change from last year: -2.07)


Brad and Peja, I'm looking in your direction!
~~

That's good stuff right there. Nice work.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Yuck

 

[Ryle]

Yuck

Double Yuck....

 

[Bricklayer]

Hey now! I posted those reb% stats last week! Thief!!

But yes...yuck.

Going into this season I had hoped that we could be a decent rebounding team, all that had to happen was for everybody to maintain their levels from last year, and for Webb to regain his pre-injury form while replacing Vlade's old legs. Well Webb has regained his pre-injury form, but the entire rest of the frontcourt is now blowing chunks.

Like I said above, all Brad and Peja have to do is duplicate their boarding from last year and we are about even on the boards. Instead Brad's rebounding/48 isn't much better than Vlade's last year and guys are just going over and around him on every play, and Peja's effort is just embarrassing at this point. Which is really odd, since he has been incredibly consistent over the last 4 years since becoming a starter -- always good for about 5.5 to 6.0 rebs a game. Not great, and perhaps should have been better at his size, but not awful either. Now all of a sudden he's turned invisible. The real scary part is that he's been so deadly consistent about being terrible -- not as if he's had a few good games, and then a few pathetic games where he grabs zero baords ro something. Instead everytime out he is being extremely consistent about looking like a guy who averages less than 4rebs in 40min/gm -- hasn't grabbed more than 5 rebs once all season.

 

[Entity]

i haven't checked the stats yet but i bet our fastbreak points are up this year compared to last. If you watch the game we always have at least 2 cheating back down on offense. Doug should be coming in on the weak side getting some boards. Kinda like what Gerald Wallace is doing with the bobcats, I wish we had that guy.

 

[SacKings384]

Triple Yuck...

 

[VF21]

Kinda like what Gerald Wallace is doing with the bobcats, I wish we had that guy.

Why again exactly? He wouldn't be getting any more playing time than he did while he WAS here. Wallace is a starter with the Bobcats, and he's a average-sized fish in a very little pool if you think about the relative amount of talent on that team. Here he would still be a bench player...

 

[Bricklayer]

Why again exactly? He wouldn't be getting any more playing time than he did while he WAS here. Wallace is a starter with the Bobcats, and he's a average-sized fish in a very little pool if you think about the relative amount of talent on that team. Here he would still be a bench player...

Given our lack of rebounding and hustle, as well as our lack of a backup SF, if Gerald's capable of what he is doing now Rick Adelman would have to be a fool not to use him.

 

[VF21]

...if Gerald's capable of what he is doing now Rick Adelman would have to be a fool not to use him.

And there's the key. Is he capable of doing what he is doing in Charlotte with a team like the Kings? OR does he have to be a starter to make it work?

While we'll most likely never know for sure, I do know one thing - there will always be mixed feelings about Gerald Wallace among Kings fans.

 

[Evenstar]

yucko yucko.

can anyone make peja rebound the ball??? anywhere else he'd be riding the pine for not rebounding. you think larry brown or greg popovich would stand up for his "rebounding" ( i'm not ripping on adelman BTW)

peja get it together and REBOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU TOO BRAD!!!!! get your feet off the dang ground and get those 10 a night like you did last year!!!!!!

and WTG webber, you have been outstanding this year on the boards ( all around for that matter) i jsut wanted to make sure he got extra credit for being so good this year when i had no clue what to expect post knee surgery

 

[HndsmCelt]

How about if the Maloofs were to offer to go ahead and trade Pedja at the end of the season if he can average 6 rebounds a game?

 

[VF21]

But we're back to trying to get something close to equal value. If he has his shot back AND can average 6 boards per game, we're going to really have trouble replacing him.

 

[HndsmCelt]

Don't take me so dr seaiouly VF21

 

[hoops4kings]

The Monarchs rebound better. LOL! Seriously, these pros need to do the fundamentals and box the hell out. The Larry Bird Celtics weren't that athletic but they were far more sound on the boards.

I'd like coach to emphasize rebound technique over offensive prowess for once. This team needs to add that element desperately if they are real contenders. Jump shooting and cutting to the hoop ain't gonna geta ring. But sound fundamental rebounding will at least help. Not to mention beter hustle for loose balls instead of staring at the darn thing like it's a foreign object.

 

[KingKong]

What can the Kings really do to avoid getting outrebounded and generally abused near the basket? I know boxing out and getting position helps, but even then more athletic opponents seem to grab boards over them. So what is the solution? Even if we do pick up some athletic player (if there is even any available) that has the tenacity to go after boards and hustle, he isn't going to see much PT because of Adelman's rotation and his tendencies to rely heavily on the starters who are just not getting it done on the boards (except Cwebb). It seems like a catch-22 situation.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

The Monarchs rebound better...

Pedja for Yo?

 

[slugking50]

Pedja for Yo?

Shes definately tough enough. She'd rebound a few and actually dive on the floor!!